You get further on a good D

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TexasDuck:
Super Bowl 50 featured this season's MVP, Cam Newton, against the Denver Broncos, the best defensive team this season.

Everyone always says defense wins championships, but do they really?.

When it comes to winning championships, or winning in general, for that matter, defense and offense win pretty evenly. Among the 50 NFL Super Bowls, the better defensive team, measured by points allowed that season, has won 31 times. The better offensive team has won 25 times. It's a slight edge to defense, but it's a pretty close call, and no different from random chance. The Super Bowl champ has been a top-five defensive team during the regular season on 32 occasions. How many times was the Super Bowl champ ranked among the top five in offense? 27. Damn near even.

But that's only talking about 50 games, so to broaden the sample size. There have been 463 NFL playoff games held over the last 49 seasons. The better defensive teams have won 58 percent of the time. The better offensive teams have won 62 percent of the time. Slight edge to the offense, but, again, pretty even. (Sometimes the winning team is better both offensively and defensively, which explains why the total exceeds 100 percent.)

Collectively, teams with a top-five defense have won 181 playoff games. Teams with a top-five offense have won 184 games. Accounting for almost 10,000 regular season games, the better defensive team has won 66.5 percent of the time compared to 67.4 percent of the time for the better offensive team. Again, a negligible difference.

What happens when the best offenses line up against the best defenses, if, say, the 2006 Indianapolis Colts had had to face the 2000 Baltimore Ravens? It turns out that 27 Super Bowls have pitted a top-five offense against a top-five defense. The best offensive team won 13 and the best defensive team 14. Another virtual stalemate.

Defense is no more important than offense. If you're prognosticating the Super Bowl winner, there are certainly better metrics than simply siding with the better defensive team. It's not defense that wins championships. You need either a stellar offense or a stellar defense. And having both is even better.



This was sent to me by a friend of mine, I checked the numbers and he's correct on enough that I didn't verify all of them. I have no if he himself wrote this, or got it from somewhere.

Damn fine research right here.

Defense 31 wins
Offense 25 wins
That's 56 total wins. Number of Super Bowls 50???

Thread title is funny

Originally posted by eastie:
Defense 31 wins
Offense 25 wins
That's 56 total wins. Number of Super Bowls 50???

Some teams have both

Looks like a close argument, but one thing we seem to have learned over the last 10 years is that a great pass rush beats a great passing attack. Pass rush is what prevented the Patriots from going 19-0. The Broncos pass rush flat-out won the game yesterday.

If you're picking in the top 10, unless there is a once-in-a-generation QB prospect sitting there, you have to take the best pass rusher.

Originally posted by eastie:

Defense 31 wins
Offense 25 wins
That's 56 total wins. Number of Super Bowls 50???

Some were both. 1994 49ers were better offensively AND defensively than the Chargers for example.

Originally posted by crake49:

Looks like a close argument, but one thing we seem to have learned over the last 10 years is that a great pass rush beats a great passing attack. Pass rush is what prevented the Patriots from going 19-0. The Broncos pass rush flat-out won the game yesterday.

If you're picking in the top 10, unless there is a once-in-a-generation QB prospect sitting there, you have to take the best pass rusher.

What have great pass rushers done for the Rams???


You really need both. You need good pass rushers and you need a good QB. The 49ers need help in both areas.

Profound!

IMO to win a Super Bowl you need to have a franchise QB and one of the two following options:
1st option - Elite defense and ok offense
2nd option - Elite offense and good defense

The 49ers from a few years ago stopped the run first and were sure tacklers. As soon as the offense made a catch or run there was a 49er defender there to end the play. The only thing those Harbaugh teams lacked was one lucky play in the two NFC Ship games and the SB. If you make a team one dimensional they can be shut down.

Originally posted by RishikeshA:
The 49ers from a few years ago stopped the run first and were sure tacklers. As soon as the offense made a catch or run there was a 49er defender there to end the play. The only thing those Harbaugh teams lacked was one lucky play in the two NFC Ship games and the SB. If you make a team one dimensional they can be shut down.

They didn't luck they needed more skill in the secondary. The difference between the Broncos and Seattle defenses that sealed the deal were the fact that they had guys who could cover. If our corners could locate the ball and knock down some of them b******t passes Flacco just threw up we win the Bowl. When Cam got passes off you saw Denver defenders locating the ball and making plays. Same for Seattle when they beat Denver. Niners had Flacco looking like Montana junior in the 1st half. Same for when Manningham caught that pass on Brock and just like Wilson completing that long 4th down play. During those runs the niners never had a corner near as good as Sherman, Harris or Talib.

First of all, you need a QB .. unless you have the 85 Bears type of defense, only then, you can win with a marginal QB..

Had both Baalke and Harbaugh decided to make an offer to Manning, 2 more trophies woulda been in our facility..

but as far as DL and pass rushers go, how the hell can we compete when we draft DLs that "aren't suppose to sack the QBs" ??

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by crake49:

Looks like a close argument, but one thing we seem to have learned over the last 10 years is that a great pass rush beats a great passing attack. Pass rush is what prevented the Patriots from going 19-0. The Broncos pass rush flat-out won the game yesterday.

If you're picking in the top 10, unless there is a once-in-a-generation QB prospect sitting there, you have to take the best pass rusher.

What have great pass rushers done for the Rams???


You really need both. You need good pass rushers and you need a good QB. The 49ers need help in both areas.

The rams problem is that they have built a tremendous defensive line and thus the rest of the defense has fallen into place. The existing problem though is that they have been unable to develop any kind of an offensive line thus their offense has been a mess. Nick Foles looked terrible this year but it wasn't that long ago that he was in the pro bowl. However it was debated that the eagles had the best o line in the NFL that season. Which proves that even marginal quarterbacks can look good behind a great offensive line.

That's what I loved about the 49ers from 11-13 was that they were built strong in the trenches on both sides of the ball.

It really just verifies the NFL ancient old philosophy, that football games are won in the trenches.

Basically, when you're having a great year, the great year you're having goes all around your team..

Originally posted by okieniner:
I agree!!! But it was our great D we had for a little while that got us to 3 championships and a superbowl

And in the end that defense disintegrated when it mattered the most. And now three years later, Kyle Williams has a Super Bowl ring.

Vernon's IPO just sky-rocketeddddddd!!!!