Time for a reality check

Being bad is one thing. Not being competitive is another. And based on that. after Hyde went down, our RB didn't deserve to be out there. Our QB didn't deserve to be out there. Our C, RG and RT definitely did not deserve to be out there. Our LBs in pass coverage didn't deserve to be out there. Our DBs didn't look like they deserved to be out there. Our DC definitely did not deserve to be out there. Neither did out OC. And our HC... again, didn't deserve to be out there. So JT made some changes. Hooray, but where were they 4 weerks ago ? I am fine with the way it finallyt worked out, but what took so much time? Just how badly did guys need to play to get yanked? And that is why JT is on the list. Good choice, but way too late. At least changes DID get made.

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
This thread is a direct result of all these "fans" wanting to boycott the season.

Reality check

Losses:
1) Justin Smith- we all knew would be hanging it up soon. Can't replace the best 3-4 DE in the NFL. (before Watt)
2) Aldon Smith- absolute steal in the draft, he ruined his own career. Baalke had to cut him.
3) Chris Culliver- not worth 9 mill a year. Situation almost exactly like Goldson.
4) Cox- sucks we lost him, but he got 5 mill a year, not sure if he's worth that either.
5) A.Davis- huge loss, great RT, not Baalke's fault
6) Boreland- see A.Davis
7) Crabtree - everyone wanted him gone anyway. Never lived up to his potential.
8) Iupati- got way overpaid, and still not a great pass protector.
9) Gore - heartbreak,but he wanted to play for a contender
10) Willis - another huge loss, in talent and leadership, not Baalke's fault
11) RayMac - solid starter, knucklehead. out of Baalke's control
12) Dan Skuta- solid tackler, spot starter. Left for 4 mill per @ Jax

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Now add losing Bethea for the season, Boldin being hurt, Hyde getting hurt, Kilgore getting hurt, Bush on IR, and Bowman being slow to return to form.

Tell me this, how the f*ck can any team come back from all that and be good in 1 year? We were always f*cked for 2015.

Harbaugh was an a$$hole, and in 2014 the offense was a joke, he had no answers. Putting up with him when we were winning is one thing, but 2014 was a major step backwards.

Most of you fans have your expectations way too high. Let this be a reality check.

Bunch of excuses! Baalke had plaenty of drafts to restock the roster but he failed on entire draft classes not just a few picks. In regards to Aldon Smith, the organization didn't have to cut him. In fact he is playing football right now and has been ever since week 1.

Jim Harbaugh was a a$$hole? That's fine, I would rather have a top rated a$$hole coach than an incompetent coach! The Patriots have a a$$hole coach too, and all he does is win.

If we are the only organization that is blindsided by a mass exodus of players with no ability or plan in place to restock, than it is the front office that should be blamed. This is a multi billion dollar business not a madden game, forecasting is big in the NFL as players are always one play away from their last play.

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Bunch of excuses! Baalke had plaenty of drafts to restock the roster but he failed on entire draft classes not just a few picks. In regards to Aldon Smith, the organization didn't have to cut him. In fact he is playing football right now and has been ever since week 1.

Jim Harbaugh was a a$$hole? That's fine, I would rather have a top rated a$$hole coach than an incompetent coach! The Patriots have a a$$hole coach too, and all he does is win.

If we are the only organization that is blindsided by a mass exodus of players with no ability or plan in place to restock, than it is the front office that should be blamed. This is a multi billion dollar business not a madden game, forecasting is big in the NFL as players are always one play away from their last play.

Aldon got several opportunities to turn it around. He failed, he had to got. Period. He would have lost any respect if we kept him. And it would have been hypocrisy to keep Aldon after several incidents incl. a suspension when we got rid of RayMac after just two things that perhaps never happened.

what draft classes besides 2012 has he failed? Tell us in all details please.

Harbaugh could not build up HIS QB-prospect into a franchise-qb and his offense got worse from year to year. No comparison to BB who btw does pickup trends in the NFL. Harbaugh never really changed anything, same approach at any time.

Yeah, let's build a future team around the today's one that could take over immediately. It is that easy...you have only a certain number of picks in the draft, the salary caps and the 53-man-limit still applies...just sayin..

Originally posted by jrouter4949:


Acker and Armstead are actually playing very Good football,not sure what games you have been watching,I noticed that you gave Mangini a free-pass with his defensive schemes where he has Linebackers 50 yards down the field covering WRs hmmmmmmmmmmm.and by the way yeah Acker is leading the team in INTs yep! he`s bum

Games I've watched live. Minn, Pitt, NYG, TORCHED repeatedly in two of these games. PItt game was bad you can't deny that. Vs the NYG Let's look at the 3rd quarter OBJ TD catch in particular. Because even if the scheme is bad that had nothing to do with the inept pass coverage on display. Not only does he take a horrific angle to OBJ once he catches it he even let's him beat him to the outside away from supporting defenders for a TD.
Games on replay Cards I'll give him a pass here it was bad again but the 6 TO's by the offense screwed the D.Vs Packers he was OK but still gave up a huge 50 yrd play. Vs Rams slow to diagnose WR screen gets blocked into the cheap seats while his man runs for 66 yard td. Vs ravens fails to locate ball in the air for the Steve Smith TD. So I stand by my comment nearly every game he gets torched. That's not good. If you think that is good the your definition of good varies greatly to mine.

INt's a are a double edged stat for corners. Good obviously because its a TO but good corners hardly ever get thrown at. Yay he leads the the team in int's. When your man gets thrown at repeatedly you're bound to pick a few off. Also as bad as the scheme is no LB has been on man coverage on a WR. LB have been in zone coverage which have been picked apart.

Acker is solid. getting burned by OBJ or once in every game as a rookie in first year at cb isn't uncommon. ask PP.

PP is overrated as all hell . Same with Sherman. They're good not great for different reasons. Revis is probably the only true superstar corner. The book on PP out of college and even now is he has elite athleticism questionable technique. Here's a good read on PP's rokie year http://presnapreads.com/2013/05/19/patrick-peterson-the-numbers-the-tape-the-verdict/. He's not aggressive/physical enough in coverage relates to technique. He has/had problems with specific ie physical receivers in particular which highlight his lack of aggression. Acker is awful he doesn't pass the eye test or the metric test. He gets burned by fast guys, physical guys, shifty guys, he's bad in run support. The fact he's getting burned in various ways on deep routes, shallow routes intermediate routes, by different kinds of receivers on different kinds of routes is what you should be concerned with. Acker has neither the athleticism or technique. Even if he spent all last season on IR he is not a rookie either. But believe what you will. I've said enough on this topic and I'll leave it at that. My complaint with Armstead however is different. He shows flashes but not enough to make the spot truly his. And this is a team with 0 pass rush. 1/2 way through the season now he should be starting to stamp his authority and making a push to make the spot his

Originally posted by communist:
Acker is solid. getting burned by OBJ or once in every game as a rookie in first year at cb isn't uncommon. ask PP.

How about just a check from Jed to all us fans for all the heart break this season.


give us about 20 grand each? sound fair?

Baalke may not be the best with drafting offense. But he did get Hyde.

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
Baalke may not be the best with drafting offense. But he did get Hyde.

And hyde is running into a brick wall. Too bad Baalke didn't bother putting the right line in front of him.

Originally posted by boast:
reality check...


Bill Walsh was 2-14 in first year. most of you guys would be calling for his firing had the WZ existed back then.

Walsh had a respectable resume and inherited more of disaster than Tomsula did. You cannot compare the situations. Tomsula inherited a disaster no doubt but who thought he was qualified for the job anyway? My only hope is that Tomsula was hired to save money figuring it was pointless to have a high dollar coach till the roster was fixed, 2 years down the road with an improved roster he gets canned. That is the best I can come up with. No way do they hire Tomsula expecting success.

I bet Bill Belichick is the nicest, easiest going guy behind at the office. I would bet Greg Popavich is a real peach. Urban Meyer seems like another great guy. Bruce Bochy definitely a super social lovable guy. Harbaugh might rub people the wrong way but when you get a Great with a Capitol G coach you make damn sure you make it work so you can have consistent success. One day Jerry Jones will accept he screwed up firing Jimmy Johnson and Jeddy boy will have to do the same.

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
Baalke may not be the best with drafting offense. But he did get Hyde.

And hyde is running into a brick wall. Too bad Baalke didn't bother putting the right line in front of him.

right but it's actually Tomsula's fault that he wont move Boone over to RT and play Tiller more

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by jrouter4949:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
thanks! I actually think Armstead, Tartt, Harold, Davis, Bell, Smelter, and Trenton Brown can all be really good for us as we rebuild.

I do to,I really believe these guys will be big impact players,but Baalke has to hit some Homeruns in this upcoming draft to keep the cupboard from becoming barebone.

I agree, I think 2016 will decide his career here.

Bingo!

I've said it before.

IMO, he must get 2 starting Olinemen and should get them in FA where they have proven themselves. Boone has gotten worse as the season progresses, and Staley is the only one of the current starters I'd keep. Kilgore is the other guy I'd keep as a starter. We already have 2 developmental guys in Trent Brown, Tiller and a big maybe in Thomas.

The big "IF" is will we stay w/3-4?? Either way. he must get 2 starters from this draft. A pass rushing OLB and a DLineman who can collapse the pocket like Justin. That would give us AA on one side and the rookie on the other.

i agree anyone who thought we could have had a good year this year was not being realistic. just too many crucial things going against us.

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Baalke may not be the best with drafting offense. But he did get Hyde.

Your giving Baalke a pass cause he drafted Hyde and Lynch? 2 out of what 20+ picks have worked. He said he has a 3 year plan So I'm guessing by then we will have 4 really good young players.