Time for a reality check

Originally posted by SFVNiner:

My Reality Check..

Jed York owns this team...

...all i can do is hope and pray.

Truth bomb

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by theninermind:


I think we would have been a bit more forgiving. I like how all of a sudden Jim Tomsula is now Bill Walsh.

missed my point COMPLETELY. it was in no way comparing coaches. it was how the WZ would react to a new HC going 2-14.



niner talk gonna niner talk.

I read your original thought on this as context - not a comparison.

Originally posted by crake49:
I read your original thought on this as context - not a comparison.

Sure it was. It was comparing 1979 Bill Walsh to current Jim Tomsula. I'm telling you, 1979 Bill Walsh was doing a dang better job. And it was obvious then.

Originally posted by theninermind:
How about this for a reality check - That 2-14 team never scored less than 9 points all season long. That 2-14 team lost by more than 16 points just one time all year long. They allowed 17 sacks all year long.

So that team had some look of competitiveness then? Give me THAT team please!

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
This thread is a direct result of all these "fans" wanting to boycott the season.

Reality check

Losses:
1) Justin Smith- we all knew would be hanging it up soon. Can't replace the best 3-4 DE in the NFL. (before Watt)
2) Aldon Smith- absolute steal in the draft, he ruined his own career. Baalke had to cut him.
3) Chris Culliver- not worth 9 mill a year. Situation almost exactly like Goldson.
4) Cox- sucks we lost him, but he got 5 mill a year, not sure if he's worth that either.
5) A.Davis- huge loss, great RT, not Baalke's fault
6) Boreland- see A.Davis
7) Crabtree - everyone wanted him gone anyway. Never lived up to his potential.
8) Iupati- got way overpaid, and still not a great pass protector.
9) Gore - heartbreak,but he wanted to play for a contender
10) Willis - another huge loss, in talent and leadership, not Baalke's fault
11) RayMac - solid starter, knucklehead. out of Baalke's control
12) Dan Skuta- solid tackler, spot starter. Left for 4 mill per @ Jax

______________________________________________________

Now add losing Bethea for the season, Boldin being hurt, Hyde getting hurt, Kilgore getting hurt, Bush on IR, and Bowman being slow to return to form.

Tell me this, how the f*ck can any team come back from all that and be good in 1 year? We were always f*cked for 2015.

Harbaugh was an a$$hole, and in 2014 the offense was a joke, he had no answers. Putting up with him when we were winning is one thing, but 2014 was a major step backwards.

Most of you fans have your expectations way too high. Let this be a reality check.

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
This thread is a direct result of all these "fans" wanting to boycott the season.

Reality check

Losses:
1) Justin Smith- we all knew would be hanging it up soon. Can't replace the best 3-4 DE in the NFL. (before Watt)
2) Aldon Smith- absolute steal in the draft, he ruined his own career. Baalke had to cut him.
3) Chris Culliver- not worth 9 mill a year. Situation almost exactly like Goldson.
4) Cox- sucks we lost him, but he got 5 mill a year, not sure if he's worth that either.
5) A.Davis- huge loss, great RT, not Baalke's fault
6) Boreland- see A.Davis
7) Crabtree - everyone wanted him gone anyway. Never lived up to his potential.
8) Iupati- got way overpaid, and still not a great pass protector.
9) Gore - heartbreak,but he wanted to play for a contender
10) Willis - another huge loss, in talent and leadership, not Baalke's fault
11) RayMac - solid starter, knucklehead. out of Baalke's control
12) Dan Skuta- solid tackler, spot starter. Left for 4 mill per @ Jax

______________________________________________________

Now add losing Bethea for the season, Boldin being hurt, Hyde getting hurt, Kilgore getting hurt, Bush on IR, and Bowman being slow to return to form.

Tell me this, how the f*ck can any team come back from all that and be good in 1 year? We were always f*cked for 2015.

Harbaugh was an a$$hole, and in 2014 the offense was a joke, he had no answers. Putting up with him when we were winning is one thing, but 2014 was a major step backwards.

Most of you fans have your expectations way too high. Let this be a reality check.

There is no question that the deck was stacked against the 49ers as a result of the unexpected retirements of Willis, Borland and Davis and then Aldon Snith getting in trouble again and being released...however...

1. The 49ers knew Justin Smith was going year to year and we were told that they were prepared for his departure. Also, as great as Smith was, because of the wear and tear on his body, he wasn't playing as much and his level had dropped off, though he was still playing at a good level.

2. The 49ers plan out their salary cap and contract situations 2-3 years in advance, so they knew what would be happening with the likely loss of Culliver and Cox. On the scale of problems, this isn't that big of a deal.

3. Losing Crabtree hasn't been a big issue. Yes, he's having a bit of a revival in Oakland but it probably wouldn't have happened here and most would probably rather take their chances with T. Smith over Crabtree.

4. The 49ers had themselves covered for the loss of Gore with Hyde. The bigger problem is the choices made behind Hyde -- Bush hurt most of last year and is now an older RB, Hunter got released at the end of TC, Davis hasn't shown much so suddenly what was a deep position now isn't because of the personnel decisions for the back-up RB's.

5. Davis temporarily "retiring" after the draft was a huge blow but, the 49ers would have been in the same spot if say...Davis got hurt in OTA's (like Crabtree) or in the pre-season. Going back to before the 2014 season, it was considered unlikely that the 49ers would be able to resign Iupati, so the 49ers had plenty of opportunity to prepare for those losses and the best they could do was trade their 5th string TE for a back-up OG (Devey) and sign a journeyman OL (Pears) who is probably better at OG than OT at this point. Martin was a 2nd round pick and has been the worst C in the league. Thomas was hailed as Iupati's replacement and can't even be active for game days. The 49ers have been "searching" for that 3rd OT for the last couple of years and were never able to find one. Sorry, but you can't blame the OL's collapse totally on Davis retiring.

6. There's no doubt Harbaugh was difficult to deal with but you don't let a coach who is 44-19-1 and 5-3 in the playoffs walk where every other coaching choice you've made during your ownership has been a disaster. You complain about 2014 being a "major step backward", but the 49ers were 8-8 (despite the Jed York created distractions), which was the most successful year since the Yorks hired their first HC other than Harbaugh's 3 previous years. Yes, the offense had its problems in 2014 but it was still much better than the alternative Jed came up with.

If Jed was going to part ways with Harbaugh, he had to get it right and he failed miserably. Everyone knows that Tomsula is overmatched. There's a reason Chyst went 15 years between gigs as an OC. There's a reason Logan was a radio talk show host. Is there any other team that would hire Chyst as their OC? No. The Cardinals talked after thumping the 49ers about how easy the 49ers offensive scheme was to diagnose. Is there any other team that would hire Logan as their QB coach? No. While more likely, there also doesn't seem to be any other team that would have hired Mangini as their DC either.

There's been plenty of complaints about Harbaugh's staff on this board, but, all I heard during his tenure was that it was one of the top staffs in the NFL. It's obvious that Tomsula's staff is at or near the bottom and most, if not all, of Harbaugh's assistants that left, got gobbled up pretty quickly by other teams, including Roman.

If the point of your post was that no one should have expected 12-4 and a return to the NFC Championship Game, then, yes, you're right. 8-8 or even 7-9 given the off-season issues if Kap improved and the young players improved. 2-6 with the worst offense in the league (that is on par with the Jim Hostler led offense of 2007), perhaps the worst OL in the NFL (certainly at least from C, RG and RT) and having caused your franchise QB to become "mentally locked up"? That's the reality and its not acceptable when you ran off one of the best coaches in the league, hand picked his successor and promised this was a "reload" and not a rebuild.

Kaep not a dual threat

Originally posted by casualobserver:
Most bad teams can hang their hat on something. Let's look at the current bottom feeders by division
Dolphins-Have good pieces can they get it together.
Ravens-They've been in most games. They've had no luck at all in tight games. They have not been blown out despite the injuries/lack of depth
Chargers-Phillip Rivers and not much else
Titans-rookie qb but have been very competitve in almost every game. Blown out once vs dolphins
Bucs-see titans but winning more games
Lions-Trainwreck on par with current state of 9ers. Though I'd say they're in a worse overall state IMO with the amount of money tied up in Stafford and Megatron. Though they have a much easier problem to fix. It's "only" their o-line.
Cowboys-Every skill position player seems to have been injured for multiple games.
49ers-The reality is your lads are getting beat in so many different ways. And the beating they're taking in those facets of the game is just so catastrophic you can't fix them in one or two off-seasons in the salary cap modern game.

Honestly 1/2 the losses you can pin on an inept defense. Every thread i read seems to be high on Acker and Armstead. Yet Acker is the guy getting burned week in week out. Every time I watch the 9ers recently i need a bucket of ice nearby because at least once a game he's gonna get burned so hard even I'm gonna feel it all the way in Australia. Armstead has been thoroughly mediocre. Yet somehow these two are the best cover and pass rush options. yes they're young, but you have to show something other than being photogenic on the receiving end of highlight reel plays on espn. Your vet safeties are not helping your young corners by taking repeatedly what seem to be poor angles and decisions.


Offensively plenty has been said in other threads.

Good post. I think fans are desperately hoping for something to hang their hat on with the 49ers, so we're imagining that guys like Armstead and Acker are better than they are. The reality is we don't have many good players on offense or defense. Acker gets picked on in the passing game and has some lucky interceptions on terrible throws (Wilson throw was a horrible decision and Acker was the only one who could have caught it). At least we have some cap room and what will likely be a top 5 pick to start the rebuild.

Chargers are in rough shape considering they have one of the top 3-5 QB's in the league and still can't win games. At times I feel like Rivers is up there with Brady/Manning but he just never had a team around him. Manning has lobbied his front offense to surround him with talent on offense at the expense of defense. Brady has let his front office operate on its own for the most part, so he has had more well rounded teams without some of the offensive weapons Manning had until Gronkowski came along. Rivers had Tomlinson early in his career, but hasn't had much outside of Gates since 2009 and has had some terrible offensive lines and bad defenses. I don't even think a 35 year old Gates or Keenan Allen are great players right now, but Rivers has been playing unbelievably well and they're the only weapons he has.

I think we knew this team would struggle this year even though some posters tried to deny it. Our young players haven't stepped up as much as we thought and our coaches haven't looked good, but at the same time, their hands are tied with this offensive line and lack of talent on defense. If we commit extra players to get pressure on the passer, we don't have the linebackers or corners who can play in man coverage so we still get burnt.

Rivers is up there with Manning and Brady IMHO. It's one of those times where I feel it's such a shame that he will end his career with one team. Te Chargers have too many holes to fill as well . So by the time he's at the end of his recently signed contract they MIGHT be competitive again. Had he hit FA in 2016 there are so many teams hat are one competent qb away from being legit contenders (Jets, STL off the top of my head)

I'll tell you what's the most disappointing thing about the 9ers and why anyone in a leadership position in the team and organization needs to be evaluated very closely is the amount of sabotaging and media leaks etc. I mean look at the Browns they're bad, but their 2 best players are showing a united front and being leaders. (Joe Thomas wants to stay and doesn't want to quit on the team, Alex Mack said he woud not waive his no trade clause because he wants to stay.with the fans coaches and teammates) That says a lot to me Every niners report is infighting, anonymous leaks etc etc just disgusting unprofessional behaviour. I hate to kick a dog when it's down but when you're not winning on the field you at least need to put a winning product off the field. And the 9ers are doing neither

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

This thread is a direct result of all these "fans" wanting to boycott the season.

Reality check

Losses:
1) Justin Smith- we all knew would be hanging it up soon. Can't replace the best 3-4 DE in the NFL. (before Watt)
2) Aldon Smith- absolute steal in the draft, he ruined his own career. Baalke had to cut him.
3) Chris Culliver- not worth 9 mill a year. Situation almost exactly like Goldson.
4) Cox- sucks we lost him, but he got 5 mill a year, not sure if he's worth that either.
5) A.Davis- huge loss, great RT, not Baalke's fault
6) Boreland- see A.Davis
7) Crabtree - everyone wanted him gone anyway. Never lived up to his potential.
8) Iupati- got way overpaid, and still not a great pass protector.
9) Gore - heartbreak,but he wanted to play for a contender
10) Willis - another huge loss, in talent and leadership, not Baalke's fault
11) RayMac - solid starter, knucklehead. out of Baalke's control
12) Dan Skuta- solid tackler, spot starter. Left for 4 mill per @ Jax

______________________________________________________

Now add losing Bethea for the season, Boldin being hurt, Hyde getting hurt, Kilgore getting hurt, Bush on IR, and Bowman being slow to return to form.

Tell me this, how the f*ck can any team come back from all that and be good in 1 year? We were always f*cked for 2015.

Harbaugh was an a$$hole, and in 2014 the offense was a joke, he had no answers. Putting up with him when we were winning is one thing, but 2014 was a major step backwards.

Most of you fans have your expectations way too high. Let this be a reality check.

Considering the majority of those you mentioned weren't playing last year either or were recovering from bad injuries, or suspended then you need to give yourself a reality check. The difference was the coach. They had all offseason to prepare for it, Harbaugh didn't yet he still came from within a couple of horrible ref calls from the playoffs. Amazing isn't it?

Originally posted by boast:

reality check...


Bill Walsh was 2-14 in first year. most of you guys would be calling for his firing had the WZ existed back then.

Agreed but Walsh actually had some success before become the Niners HC none of the coaches inculded the HC have had success, mangini was the closest won an he's D sucked while in NE.

Originally posted by MasterBlaster:

Considering the majority of those you mentioned weren't playing last year either or were recovering from bad injuries, or suspended then you need to give yourself a reality check. The difference was the coach. They had all offseason to prepare for it, Harbaugh didn't yet he still came from within a couple of horrible ref calls from the playoffs. Amazing isn't it?

2 had inquires that were long (Davis,Willis) and two suspensions (smith and Rmac) 4 out of 12 isn't the majority

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
This thread is a direct result of all these "fans" wanting to boycott the season.

Reality check

Losses:
1) Justin Smith- we all knew would be hanging it up soon. Can't replace the best 3-4 DE in the NFL. (before Watt)
2) Aldon Smith- absolute steal in the draft, he ruined his own career. Baalke had to cut him.
3) Chris Culliver- not worth 9 mill a year. Situation almost exactly like Goldson.
4) Cox- sucks we lost him, but he got 5 mill a year, not sure if he's worth that either.
5) A.Davis- huge loss, great RT, not Baalke's fault
6) Boreland- see A.Davis
7) Crabtree - everyone wanted him gone anyway. Never lived up to his potential.
8) Iupati- got way overpaid, and still not a great pass protector.
9) Gore - heartbreak,but he wanted to play for a contender
10) Willis - another huge loss, in talent and leadership, not Baalke's fault
11) RayMac - solid starter, knucklehead. out of Baalke's control
12) Dan Skuta- solid tackler, spot starter. Left for 4 mill per @ Jax

______________________________________________________

Now add losing Bethea for the season, Boldin being hurt, Hyde getting hurt, Kilgore getting hurt, Bush on IR, and Bowman being slow to return to form.

Tell me this, how the f*ck can any team come back from all that and be good in 1 year? We were always f*cked for 2015.

Harbaugh was an a$$hole, and in 2014 the offense was a joke, he had no answers. Putting up with him when we were winning is one thing, but 2014 was a major step backwards.

Most of you fans have your expectations way too high. Let this be a reality check.

Good, accurate post, XFactor. Always good to see something like this in NT that has some thought behind it and shows good football/team knowledge.

thanks man

Originally posted by vermonator:
Poor Baalke, the 2012 draft wasn't his fault either, lets just give him another 5 years.

name 1 GM that hasn't had a bad draft?

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
This thread is a direct result of all these "fans" wanting to boycott the season.

Reality check

Losses:
1) Justin Smith- we all knew would be hanging it up soon. Can't replace the best 3-4 DE in the NFL. (before Watt)
2) Aldon Smith- absolute steal in the draft, he ruined his own career. Baalke had to cut him.
3) Chris Culliver- not worth 9 mill a year. Situation almost exactly like Goldson.
4) Cox- sucks we lost him, but he got 5 mill a year, not sure if he's worth that either.
5) A.Davis- huge loss, great RT, not Baalke's fault
6) Boreland- see A.Davis
7) Crabtree - everyone wanted him gone anyway. Never lived up to his potential.
8) Iupati- got way overpaid, and still not a great pass protector.
9) Gore - heartbreak,but he wanted to play for a contender
10) Willis - another huge loss, in talent and leadership, not Baalke's fault
11) RayMac - solid starter, knucklehead. out of Baalke's control
12) Dan Skuta- solid tackler, spot starter. Left for 4 mill per @ Jax

______________________________________________________

Now add losing Bethea for the season, Boldin being hurt, Hyde getting hurt, Kilgore getting hurt, Bush on IR, and Bowman being slow to return to form.

Tell me this, how the f*ck can any team come back from all that and be good in 1 year? We were always f*cked for 2015.

Harbaugh was an a$$hole, and in 2014 the offense was a joke, he had no answers. Putting up with him when we were winning is one thing, but 2014 was a major step backwards.

Most of you fans have your expectations way too high. Let this be a reality check.

He didn't have to get rid of all those players, over 90% of the players are his, the team is a sum of his work.
If 2014 was a major atep back, what is 2015?

I'm not sure you understand the difference of not overpaying vs getting rid of.

Also your future star LB to replace the possible HOF LB leaving is devastating.

You guys are making this thread about Tomsula.

Go b*tch somewhere else.