week 5 NYG coaches film analysis thread

Originally posted by Drift:

Originally posted by thl408:

I will try to explain this with film as the season progresses - the differences in coverages between Mangini and Fangio defenses.

It will be interesting to see how the Mangini defence settles over the course of the season. You would hope that the coverage has less execution errors and what was intended starts to come through more clearly.

But will be interested to see your comparison as time moves on.

I think one thing that plagues the defense is lack of communication and familiarity. Eric davis talked about it, that the defense looked like they weren't communicating- which is really important for pattern matching. It also takes a great deal of film study to anticipate those route combos from certain formations. Bear in mind, Brock and Bethea haven't really played a lot together, Brock was injured most of last year- Bethea's first year, and acker-we all know. Same with ward and Reaser. Also, we didn't see Reid and Bethea switching sides last year- mangini does have true, SS and FS, whereas Fangio, we had left S and right S. They rarely switched sides(I can remember a handful of those only). So, I think l, like an O-line, they have to become VERY comfortable together for pattern matching to work well. Which might be one reason it took a few weeks to even see it start showing up. Like I showed in that one play-art from Saban, those defenders have to communicate routes to each other or else there will be blown coverages.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
I think one thing that plagues the defense is lack of communication and familiarity. Eric davis talked about it, that the defense looked like they weren't communicating- which is really important for pattern matching. It also takes a great deal of film study to anticipate those route combos from certain formations. Bear in mind, Brock and Bethea haven't really played a lot together, Brock was injured most of last year- Bethea's first year, and acker-we all know. Same with ward and Reaser. Also, we didn't see Reid and Bethea switching sides last year- mangini does have true, SS and FS, whereas Fangio, we had left S and right S. They rarely switched sides(I can remember a handful of those only). So, I think l, like an O-line, they have to become VERY comfortable together for pattern matching to work well. Which might be one reason it took a few weeks to even see it start showing up. Like I showed in that one play-art from Saban, those defenders have to communicate routes to each other or else there will be blown coverages.

Ray Lewis mentioned this as well. He said that a huge part of playing defense is players letting each other know what they saw or were going to do. He does not see that happening with the niners defense.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
I think one thing that plagues the defense is lack of communication and familiarity.

That will come over time. Season in two halves?

Guess who has 1.5 sacks in their last two games? That guy who were were going to "help" that went to Oakland.

Originally posted by Drift:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
I think one thing that plagues the defense is lack of communication and familiarity.

That will come over time. Season in two halves?

Hope this is so! I do think the team is in a learning slowdown that has led to many mistakes and late or hesitant plays.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Here's another example of pattern-match with a busted assignment from Reaser. 8:02 2nd QTR


Here, we're going to run a true "dime" package with both Ward and Reaser in. We align like we're in man-coverage and Reaser trails a motioning receiver across the field.


You see the safeties split, one down, one up, one key element to the pattern-match(not the only one, I know :)) you see the corners open their hips, like zone coverage. Ward jams his man.


Ward passes off the inside release to reaser and takes the outside release. Also, Bowman see's he outside release and takes that, as the safety is responsible for anything from a vertical release or a crosser.


The yellow shows a zone coverage. It looks like a defense in the Fangio years. Reaser should pass his shallow cross off to Bethea, but trails the receiver, opening up a hole for the short post/deepslant.





Reaser should've passed his man off in this particular call, it appears.


This is how it should've been executed, with Reaser as the LB to the 2 receiver side

NYG is running a dressed up Slant-Flat combination. Orange and red are designed to create a throwing window for yellow.


Orange moves the strongside hook defender (Reaser). Red moves the strongside curl/flat defender (Ward).


Passing window created for the slant.


I see Reaser coming up to give the WR a shove (beyond 5 yards), but I see Ward as just playing curl to flat zone. Ward doesn't really attach himself to the flat route the way he would had he been playing man coverage - matching the flat route.


Really like the design of this play. NYG killed it with the slant-flat concept all game long. The TD to Vareen was slant-flat.

jonny, I'm starting to doubt what I'm seeing now if you think this is pattern matching. You saw this as pattern matching from cover3, but I see it just as cover3. It would help if we could see longer developing plays to truly identify pattern matching play out. One thing I am certain about is that if this is pattern matching, it's not very complex.

After an NYG FG to go up 13-3, the 49ers get the ball back.
The broadcast showed a graphic about how Kap had taken 10 dropbacks from under center on the season and was 4/10. In this game, Kap was under center a little bit more, considering 10 dropbacks in 4 games comes out to 2.5 times a game, and had moderate success passing.

Slant-flat concept with 3 step timing. Can't tell what coverage this is but NYG rushes 6 and plays zone behind it.


Without having to take a pistol/shotgun snap, Kap can keep his eyes on the coverage during his dropback. Kap hits the third step and is ready to throw. With no one covering the flat, the correct throw is to Miller.


+19 yards.

Same drive. This is a nice tight window throw that Kap would not have made last week when he seemed so unsure of himself.

Spacing concept to the left with a backside slant.
versus Cover 2 Zone. Cover 2 zone is a really good coverage call against 3 step timing concepts. Since the WRs aren't very far downfield on a 3 step dropback, having 5 underneath zone defenders will make all throws into tight windows.


Kap takes the shotgun snap, takes a 1 step drop (3 step timing), and looks backside. Notice the concept side is well covered with the 5 underneath zone defenders. The Curl route over the middle (red) causes the weakside Hook defender (orange) to hesitate just enough for Torrey to split the Hook and Curl/flat defender.


Laser into a small window. +17 yards.

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Some were criticizing Kap for that ball location, but seeing it from that view it looks like the only place he could have put it...on top of that he's throwing it 100mph..lol.

The 49ers move down the field and into the dreaded red zone. On 1st they ran a misdirection rollout right that teams are starting to overplay. No one was open and Kap threw it away.

2nd down & 10
Triangle stretch to the strongside. I think NYG is in cover3 with man coverage on the backside (Torrey). My guess is that the progression on this play goes red-yellow-orange. Kap under center with 5 step timing.


Kap completes his drop and I think is reading the blue defender who is in a good position to defeat Celek's corner route. But blue is over the top of Boldin and not in a good position to defend Boldin's Out route.


Kap mid windup targeting Boldin just as Boldin enters his cut. Good anticipation.


Nice throw despite not being able to step into it due to pressure up the middle. +9 yards

Originally posted by Afrikan:
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Some were criticizing Kap for that ball location, but seeing it from that view it looks like the only place he could have put it...on top of that he's throwing it 100mph..lol.

Since the throw got through, I wonder if he could have led Torrey more, but then it becomes a riskier throw. And if it gets picked off by the Hook defender, then we would question why he didn't throw it behind Torrey a bit to ensure that the pass gets through, which he did. Whether he threw it inaccurately or he was purposely cautious with the throw, I think it was a good throw into a small lane.

I feel it was an accurate throw, basically done on purpose. IMO, when Kap is committed to his throws, he's usually accurate to the point that he protects his recievers or in this case, the ball.

Kaep made some really nice throws this last game, its a damn shame we lost. Hopefully he can build on this game. Also Torrey is fast and gets open a lot. hopefully him and Kaep start connecting with some regularity now. Plus Torrey draws penalties. I can think of at least 2 penalties he drew against the Giants

Good throw, and I'd like to see that kind of decisiveness with more regularity. Hit his back foot and the ball was out, on time, with accuracy. There are many instances were the throw is there to be made, but hesitation or lack of trust in the read gets him in trouble. He just has to let it loose.

Originally posted by valrod33:
Kaep made some really nice throws this last game, its a damn shame we lost. Hopefully he can build on this game. Also Torrey is fast and gets open a lot. hopefully him and Kaep start connecting with some regularity now. Plus Torrey draws penalties. I can think of at least 2 penalties he drew against the Giants

Definitely. Could be wrong, but I think those were the first penalties Torrey has drawn so far this season. Last year he led the league in that category. We should take a deep shot to Torrey at least once every quarter when he gets 1-on-1 matchup on the outside. Force the defense to honor it, and there's at least a 50% chance the pass is completed or draws a penalty. Also like seeing him in the slot and stretching the field vertically from there. That's where he drew the 28 yard penalty.