Week 5 2015: Thoughts after rewatching the game...

Thanks marv putting up the real thread instead of the cheap knockoff thats put up as soon as the game ends.

4) Bowman: I love the guy, but he isn't close to 100%. I don't know that he ever will be the same guy he was. I've been noting it after the last few games, but this time the Giants saw it and exploited it on a few occasions. Hard for me to say this, but in his present state he is becoming a liability. I'm not saying take him off the field because he needs the work to get back and they really don't have a better option anyway, but teams might begin to pick on him with speedy backs in the pass game. He just can't get there.


Giants definitely exploited Bow in coverage. This is a really hard situation to fix. He's a leader but he's not able to show it with his play on the field. I suggest to limit his snaps going forward and let him split time with Hodges or Wilhoite. Maybe take him off on 3rd down. Depends on the package. In his defense on the game winning TD by the Giants, Bethea got there late and didn't make a play on the catch. Bethea could have knocked it out of the TE's grasp. I mean he held it up right in his face. SWAT AT THE BALL !

Haven't had a chance to re-watch the game and may not until the coaches film is out, but I'm fairly certain most of NYG's chunk yards came versus zone coverage. I did rewatch the final drive and the 49ers were in man coverage so Mangini did make an adjustment. So, playing zone, they get torched, playing man they get torched with Eli isolating Vareen vs Tartt. Can't win.

Three road games and Mangini's squad is getting lit up like never before. This is not the same squad Fangio had, not even close, but I didn't think it would go from top 5 to bottom 5.

Glad Kap had a solid game. The team needed it. Not sure how much moral victories count towards the morale of the team, but at least we should feel better about Kap even if for 1 week against the worst ranked pass defense coming into the game (yards allowed). He did look shaky to open the game though. Not sure if no one was open or what.

This team just can't put together a full effort outside of opening night. Last week, the defense showed up and the offense didn't. Last night was the opposite. I hope the team doesn't start to tune out the coaches.

Originally posted by susweel:

Thanks marv putting up the real thread instead of the cheap knockoff thats put up as soon as the game ends.

Originally posted by NikeSBHead:

Originally posted by susweel:
Thanks marv putting up the real thread instead of the cheap knockoff thats put up as soon as the game ends.

LOL

Originally posted by thl408:
Haven't had a chance to re-watch the game and may not until the coaches film is out, but I'm fairly certain most of NYG's chunk yards came versus zone coverage. I did rewatch the final drive and the 49ers were in man coverage so Mangini did make an adjustment. So, playing zone, they get torched, playing man they get torched with Eli isolating Vareen vs Tartt. Can't win.

Three road games and Mangini's squad is getting lit up like never before. This is not the same squad Fangio had, not even close, but I didn't think it would go from top 5 to bottom 5.

Glad Kap had a solid game. The team needed it. Not sure how much moral victories count towards the morale of the team, but at least we should feel better about Kap even if for 1 week against the worst ranked pass defense coming into the game (yards allowed). He did look shaky to open the game though. Not sure if no one was open or what.

This team just can't put together a full effort outside of opening night. Last week, the defense showed up and the offense didn't. Last night was the opposite. I hope the team doesn't start to tune out the coaches.

What I liked in what I saw in Kap was that he actually put some touch and good location on a few of his passes late in the game. Two passes to Boldin.

Ironically, the big flanker screen to Torrey and the following pretty pass to Boldin were good plays, but in the long run happened too fast and didn't burn enough clock. They scored too quickly and gave Eli time to score the game winner.

scored too quickly is nonsense...the defense needs to step up there, beckham and randle were out and mangenius/tomsula didn't adjust

how many times can u watch jaquaski tartt try to stay w/ shane vereen in a wide open space in the middle of the field..not one other player there to help him out

Where are some plays from the d line. The defense looks slow at all levels. Bow and Whilhoite look slow moving form side to side. What happened to Eric Reid making plays? I mean we say so and so are good players but nobody is making any plays on defense except Lynch.

The scheme and the talent on defense are serious issues.

Yea somebody needs to ask some tough questions regarding what's going on with Brandon Thomas.

Thanks Marvin, there was too much space in the pass defense. When Manning had that extra few seconds you knew he was going to complete the pass. Harold got some PT but he was invisible. I can put up with Hyde's dancing a few times but not taking such hard hits. Give Hayne more snaps and keep Hyde fresh. Reggie Bush is dead wood.

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by thl408:
Haven't had a chance to re-watch the game and may not until the coaches film is out, but I'm fairly certain most of NYG's chunk yards came versus zone coverage. I did rewatch the final drive and the 49ers were in man coverage so Mangini did make an adjustment. So, playing zone, they get torched, playing man they get torched with Eli isolating Vareen vs Tartt. Can't win.

Three road games and Mangini's squad is getting lit up like never before. This is not the same squad Fangio had, not even close, but I didn't think it would go from top 5 to bottom 5.

Glad Kap had a solid game. The team needed it. Not sure how much moral victories count towards the morale of the team, but at least we should feel better about Kap even if for 1 week against the worst ranked pass defense coming into the game (yards allowed). He did look shaky to open the game though. Not sure if no one was open or what.

This team just can't put together a full effort outside of opening night. Last week, the defense showed up and the offense didn't. Last night was the opposite. I hope the team doesn't start to tune out the coaches.

What I liked in what I saw in Kap was that he actually put some touch and good location on a few of his passes late in the game. Two passes to Boldin.

Ironically, the big flanker screen to Torrey and the following pretty pass to Boldin were good plays, but in the long run happened too fast and didn't burn enough clock. They scored too quickly and gave Eli time to score the game winner.

They did leave too much clock for NYG, but I'm not about to fault the offense for that. For a struggling offense, any score is a good score. The over the shoulder pass he dropped into Boldin was a beauty. Really hope this game was a slump buster for Kap.

Offense

• Kap played better made throws a normal NFL QB is supposed to make.
• Hyde is good but doesn't hole hard enough sometimes, too much dancing.
• Scheme was different they limited the read option because defenses have shut that s**t down
• Boldin still our best WR, Torry smith is an expensive decoy.
• Celeck should be starting TE.

Defense

• Dline is god awful at generating any pass rush, something you would think a superior Dline coach would improve on.
• Bowman is just an average player and below average in coverage. Probably will never be the same player again.
• Acker blows, would have been nice to draft a good CB. Brock free lances a bit too much.
• Whilhoite is what we thought he was, should have drafted another ILB.

Overall just bad execution on defense Mangini tries too hard to be fancy but keeping it simple works better on defense especially with young players. Yes we lost but you dont deserve to win when you give up 525 yards in offense. Hey at least it was entertaining unlike the last 3 weeks.

Originally posted by iLL49er:
scored too quickly is nonsense...the defense needs to step up there, beckham and randle were out and mangenius/tomsula didn't adjust

how many times can u watch jaquaski tartt try to stay w/ shane vereen in a wide open space in the middle of the field..not one other player there to help him out

Not faulting the offense...simply saying that's how it turned out.

Originally posted by iLL49er:

scored too quickly is nonsense...the defense needs to step up there, beckham and randle were out and mangenius/tomsula didn't adjust

how many times can u watch jaquaski tartt try to stay w/ shane vereen in a wide open space in the middle of the field..not one other player there to help him out

why wasn't Ward moved over to cover him with the other cbs taking over his role? Tartt is still a rookie...big one who is not as agile as Ward.

heck why didn't we disguise and actually double him?

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by thl408:
Haven't had a chance to re-watch the game and may not until the coaches film is out, but I'm fairly certain most of NYG's chunk yards came versus zone coverage. I did rewatch the final drive and the 49ers were in man coverage so Mangini did make an adjustment. So, playing zone, they get torched, playing man they get torched with Eli isolating Vareen vs Tartt. Can't win.

Three road games and Mangini's squad is getting lit up like never before. This is not the same squad Fangio had, not even close, but I didn't think it would go from top 5 to bottom 5.

Glad Kap had a solid game. The team needed it. Not sure how much moral victories count towards the morale of the team, but at least we should feel better about Kap even if for 1 week against the worst ranked pass defense coming into the game (yards allowed). He did look shaky to open the game though. Not sure if no one was open or what.

This team just can't put together a full effort outside of opening night. Last week, the defense showed up and the offense didn't. Last night was the opposite. I hope the team doesn't start to tune out the coaches.

What I liked in what I saw in Kap was that he actually put some touch and good location on a few of his passes late in the game. Two passes to Boldin.

Ironically, the big flanker screen to Torrey and the following pretty pass to Boldin were good plays, but in the long run happened too fast and didn't burn enough clock. They scored too quickly and gave Eli time to score the game winner.

They did leave too much clock for NYG, but I'm not about to fault the offense for that. For a struggling offense, any score is a good score. The over the shoulder pass he dropped into Boldin was a beauty. Really hope this game was a slump buster for Kap.

As I responded above...not faulting the offense...just sayin how it turned out.