SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS at NEW YORK GIANTS - 2015 Week 5

Originally posted by NorthBay49er:

Hayne needs more playing time. Hydes going to get run into the ground at this rate

what happened to mike davis

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by CityKing415:
Whoever supported the move away from Harbaugh is now eating crow. Will go down as the dumbest move in sports history.

I still say it was a situation that could only have got worse, and Harbaugh would not have had the same success at SF ever again. Too much friction with the front office. And even if this season was less problematic with Harbaugh - no guarantee since Harbaugh would not have prevented Willis/Boreland/Davis/Aldon/etc. situations - I stand by it being a downward spiral that could not be reversed. So, on that sense, better to bottom out right now than have a slow leak over the next five years.

Maybe if you go back to the 2013 NFCCG and pull out a victory it never gets to what occurred in 2014. But once 2014 happened it was a divorce in the future, no way around it.

Now, I like Tomsula, and I wanted him to succeed, but he's been dealt the worst hand any rookie coach has ever received. And THAT more than anything is why his hiring was, to quote my immediate reaction, "deflating". Gruden, Shanahan, Holmgren or any other rehash coach could have weathered the bad PR storm if only because they had won before. Gase could have handled the PR storm because he had the "guru" stigma, whether that was true or not. You have the EXACT SAME first five games of the season under any of those guys and you'd have disappointed fans, but not "we're doomed for eternity" fans.

And THAT - more than anything - is the raw deal Tomsula will get. Because fans like to be coddled into trusting coaches. They like coaches to lie to them and tell them what they want to hear, no matter if its true or not ("We will run the West Coast Offense" - Harbaugh lie right off the bat, and yet very few dare to call him on it because he got Ws with Schemblechler offense anyway). And Tomsula doesn't inspire the fanbase, and in todays world that matters more than anything, because first impressions are everything, and you don't get the luxury of going 2-14 like Walsh did if you can't pull off the charisma and inspire optimism during a 2-14 season like a Walsh or a Jimmy Johnson did.

I gotta disagree with a rookie HC having been dealt a bad hand. I'm not sure if you remember the Dennis Erickson situation, he had far less talent to work with in 2003, then in 2004 Donahue dismantled the team even more WITHOUT any salary cap room.

People can feel sorry for Tomsula all they want but at least this team is in good shape salary cap wise with 10 times more talent than what Erickson EVER had.

All the defense had to do was hold them off for 1:45 seconds.

Btw, Bethea is horrible can't believe Baalke gave him a ton of money. Give Tartt the job asap.

Originally posted by SofaKing:
It's truly amazing some fans are unable to grasp this concept.

Actually... I feel the D did about as well as they could. It's not a GOOD team. They kept it close on the road. I thought Lynch played well. Got pressure. Tackling.. was not real good. Blocking,in general.. better than recent disasters. Kaep was not real good but was BETTER. Until the end, the Niners were close enough to win.That says they at least were WORKING at it.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I gotta disagree with a rookie HC having been dealt a bad hand. I'm not sure if you remember the Dennis Erickson situation, he had far less talent to work with in 2003, then in 2004 Donahue dismantled the team even more WITHOUT any salary cap room.

People can feel sorry for Tomsula all they want but at least this team is in good shape salary cap wise with 10 times more talent than what Erickson EVER had.

2003 team was pretty good on a paper. It was still a veteran team. Virtually the same roster that went 12-4 and 10-6 in 2001/2002. They had no business going 7-9, Erickson grossly mismanaged them imo. That, and the special teams was putrid. Jose Cortez and Owen Pochman #neverforget

I agree we have more talent than a 1-4 team, but right now most of the blame falls on Mangini's defense, and Kap's mental demons. Ultimately, Tomsula will get blame because he's the head guy. It's his responsibility to kick people into shape during the week. It was nice to see the offense bounce back, but Mangini's defense has been a trainwreck. Something needs to be done about that, and it falls on Tomsula. When the DC stubbornly doesn't made the proper changes, the HC needs to make it right.

Originally posted by RishikeshA:

Damn that Aldon Smith, he could've taken over this game.

We really miss him! f**k!!

Originally posted by OhioRedwood:

Originally posted by SofaKing:
It's truly amazing some fans are unable to grasp this concept.

Actually... I feel the D did about as well as they could. It's not a GOOD team. They kept it close on the road. I thought Lynch played well. Got pressure. Tackling.. was not real good. Blocking,in general.. better than recent disasters. Kaep was not real good but was BETTER. Until the end, the Niners were close enough to win.That says they at least were WORKING at it.

Yes, they are working at it, and it was better to see them play a competitive game on the road. But aside from Brock's INT in the endzone to end the 1st half, the defense did nothing right. They were a complete trainwreck, and cost us the game. Kap was much better and legit played a good game. He had us in position to win, taking the lead with 1:45 to go. I hope at the very least he's able to build off it, and the coaches need to find a way to plug all these leaks on defense.

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I gotta disagree with a rookie HC having been dealt a bad hand. I'm not sure if you remember the Dennis Erickson situation, he had far less talent to work with in 2003, then in 2004 Donahue dismantled the team even more WITHOUT any salary cap room.

People can feel sorry for Tomsula all they want but at least this team is in good shape salary cap wise with 10 times more talent than what Erickson EVER had.

2003 team was pretty good on a paper. It was still a veteran team. Virtually the same roster that went 12-4 and 10-6 in 2001/2002. They had no business going 7-9, Erickson grossly mismanaged them imo. That, and the special teams was putrid. Jose Cortez and Owen Pochman #neverforget

I agree we have more talent than a 1-4 team, but right now most of the blame falls on Mangini's defense, and Kap's mental demons. Ultimately, Tomsula will get blame because he's the head guy. It's his responsibility to kick people into shape during the week. It was nice to see the offense bounce back, but Mangini's defense has been a trainwreck. Something needs to be done about that, and it falls on Tomsula. When the DC stubbornly doesn't made the proper changes, the HC needs to make it right.

2003 team wasn't his team, Garcia wasn't his QB. Not to mention the feud Garcia and Owens had, who could coach a team like that.

And I agree 100% about the bold, the defense needs some tweaking and help......Dwight Freeney anyone!!!!

I proud of Kap, he did good tonight.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Perfect outcome. Team played hard, Kap showed signs of improvement, and we improved our draft position. Having no pass rush whatsoever is a problem on defense, but we knew that going into the season.

100% this. Another thing that pisses me off is that our TE's, including Davis, never go all out to catch a pass. The one to Mcdonald was a perfect pass to me, all he had to do was jump an inch. Davis never catches it unless it hits him perfectly, even then he'll drop it. And why are we not using Ellington again?

Originally posted by Kolohe:
2003 team wasn't his team, Garcia wasn't his QB. Not to mention the feud Garcia and Owens had, who could coach a team like that.

And I agree 100% about the bold, the defense needs some tweaking and help......Dwight Freeney anyone!!!!

I wouldn't mind making a play for Freeney. Even tho he doesn't have that closing speed anymore to get sacks, he was among the league leaders last year in QB pressures. He can still disrupt the QB, but every game we lose, the less likely we make a move like that...bringing in a veteran to a losing team. If we're going to lose most games, might as well play the young guys like Harold. Lynch was living in their backfield, hitting Manning time and time again, just couldn't get the sack. Just have to tip your hat to Manning, he played a very good game.

Im glad the offense got back on track tonight. After last week it wouldve been easy for the D to grumble about the offense letting us down. Now the D let the offense down. I suppose for team morale its better that they take turns sucking, so one half of the team doesn't start despising the other half.

Glad to see Kap stand in the pocket and make some routine throws. Hopefully, he keeps it going. OL also looked good tonight, along with Hyde.

Originally posted by mayo49:
Glad to see Kap make some routine throws. Hopefully, he keeps it going.

3 DRIVES OF 70+ yards is not routine

Originally posted by Niners99:
Im glad the offense got back on track tonight. After last week it wouldve been easy for the D to grumble about the offense letting us down. Now the D let the offense down. I suppose for team morale its better that they take turns sucking, so one half of the team doesn't start despising the other half.

That's one way to look at it. Each side taking turns screwing up. Not good for consistency, but at least there's no animosity in the building.

Seriously tho, this team has schematic issues, particularly on defense. Offensively I felt the struggles were due to lack of talent on the o-line, and Kap simply not playing well. Good to see that improve this week. The defense has talent, but Mangini has done an awful job calling the games. I'm shocked how bad he's been. Tomsula has to step in and enforce the right changes, because Mangini keeps reverting to his tried and true methods of failure.