Week 4 2015: Thoughts after rewatching the game...

Originally posted by thl408:
The worst part about Kap looking frozen/lost/broken, is that I don't know if there's a coach on the staff that can snap him out of it. GeepLo aren't proven at developing NFL QBs at the NFL level. Kap has to take it upon himself to snap out of this funk. This is a fork in the road for his career path. He look scared to make mistakes.

The most telling sign for me in the GB game is that once they got in the red zone, he took two sacks. Everything already seems to be moving too fast for Kap. In the redzone, everything moves faster because of the condensed field. The two sacks are a sign that everything is just a blur and he isn't processing information quick enough.

I'm really interested in seeing if there were any open WRs on the Cover0's that GB came with. Also, those two sacks in the redzone and what the 49ers were doing.

The defense brought their game. They did everything they could. Absolutely no complaints on that side of the ball except for the time Reid got juked by Rodgers on a scramble.

That first part is dead on.

It's not so much that he looks confused to me as he looks shell-shocked and afraid to make a big mistake. He hesitates and THAT makes him COMPLETELY ineffective. In 2012 he barely knew what he was doing and was just winging it all over the field with no fear whatsoever. I can think of several pinpoint passes he made that year that had me in awe.

Now he misses a guy 5 yards in front of him.

Seems the more he tries to become a classic pocket passer, the worse he gets.

Originally posted by thl408:
What is that a graph of?

Looks like PPG.

I think trying to change his throwing motion has him confused. Now he just can't let it rip b/c he has to think about which motion to use. He's confused and i see why Harbaugh said he would leave his mechanics alone. He just needed better footwork & pocket awareness. We aren't even seeing the basic throws he was always was able to make.

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by thl408:
What is that a graph of?

Looks like PPG.

Yeah Method edited the post to include PPG after I posted. That's horrible. It's not like PIT and GB have fearsome defenses. 3 points at home against a middling defense like GB is pitiful.

Even Kaps runs aren't as exciting as they used to be. Now, he barely gets back to the LOS.

Originally posted by Method:
Here's why I want to move on from kap:



Points Per Game

Completely unacceptable.

I know I am not going to convince you otherwise on a forum such as this, but it doesn't make any sense to bench Kap only to replace him with Gabbert who has averaged approximately the same number of points per game during his career. Personally, I think that right now Kap is having a hard time putting everything together (mechanics, reading progressions, moving around in the pocket, etc.) That doesn't mean he won't get it together. The problem is, our offensive line might be the worst in the NFL which means that Kap isn't getting any help from solid protection or a running game.

Make my words, if Gabbert goes in right now, it is simply more of the same (if not worse).

OP, thank you for your thoughts. You basically backed up everything I'm feeling.

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by thl408:

What is that a graph of?

Looks like PPG.

Was my guess as well... Scary stat that is. I for one think it is very likely Kap is done and even if he isn't may need to go elsewhere to recover his career...but an offense that anemic is system wide. Promoting coaches from within a failed system started this, the exodus along the line continued it..Kap losing his nerve is now just the final nail. I think we will have to make some big changes to see improvement. Bigger than just plugging in a new starter at Qb. Still you have to start somewhere in your evaluation and if Gabbert can move the needle at all that is an indicator that future money should not be spent on Kap by this franchise.

Originally posted by Wisconsin49erfan:

Originally posted by Method:

Here's why I want to move on from kap:



Points Per Game

Completely unacceptable.

I know I am not going to convince you otherwise on a forum such as this, but it doesn't make any sense to bench Kap only to replace him with Gabbert who has averaged approximately the same number of points per game during his career. Personally, I think that right now Kap is having a hard time putting everything together (mechanics, reading progressions, moving around in the pocket, etc.) That doesn't mean he won't get it together. The problem is, our offensive line might be the worst in the NFL which means that Kap isn't getting any help from solid protection or a running game.

Make my words, if Gabbert goes in right now, it is simply more of the same (if not worse).

If it is in fact worse that is a helpful tool for evaluation as well though. Right now nobody should be safe.

Originally posted by Wisconsin49erfan:

Originally posted by Method:
Here's why I want to move on from kap:



Points Per Game

Completely unacceptable.

I know I am not going to convince you otherwise on a forum such as this, but it doesn't make any sense to bench Kap only to replace him with Gabbert who has averaged approximately the same number of points per game during his career. Personally, I think that right now Kap is having a hard time putting everything together (mechanics, reading progressions, moving around in the pocket, etc.) That doesn't mean he won't get it together. The problem is, our offensive line might be the worst in the NFL which means that Kap isn't getting any help from solid protection or a running game.

Make my words, if Gabbert goes in right now, it is simply more of the same (if not worse).

Going to Gabbert says nothing more than you're throwing in the towel on the rest of the season. If this team stumbles out to a 1-7 start, which is looking more and more possible, then I can see Gabbert getting some opportunities because the season has been lost.

But not now. Gabbert brings nothing special to the table. He's nothing more than a high round QB draft pick who flamed out elsewhere. And if CK7 doesn't wise up, he'll be the next Gabbert on someone's roster playing the role of backup foot soldier for less an a million a season.

Originally posted by mayo49:
Even Kaps runs aren't as exciting as they used to be. Now, he barely gets back to the LOS.

That's what happens when the defense can load the box and the OL can't block. Holes closing up faster than anyone can hit them.

Originally posted by lamontb:
I think trying to change his throwing motion has him confused. Now he just can't let it rip b/c he has to think about which motion to use. He's confused and i see why Harbaugh said he would leave his mechanics alone. He just needed better footwork & pocket awareness. We aren't even seeing the basic throws he was always was able to make.

has a Starting QB ever tried to change their throwing motion in one offseason? done so and played the same or better?

I know Rodgers did it when he came out of Cal...but he had like 4 seasons to finally get it right.

one of Kap's fam said in the past that he has issues trusting people, when it comes to making changes to his game...be it throwing motion or whatever.

I just hope that also isn't f'n with his head... regret.

Originally posted by ltrain:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Even Kaps runs aren't as exciting as they used to be. Now, he barely gets back to the LOS.

That's what happens when the defense can load the box and the OL can't block. Holes closing up faster than anyone can hit them.

Exactly.

Originally posted by Wisconsin49erfan:
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7) O-Line: I don't even know where to start. Kap has played poorly. There is no question here. This isn't a scapegoat comment...but he is getting little to no help from the guys in front of him. I don't think I've ever seen an Offensive line go from so good to so bad in such a short time. They can't pass block and they can't run block. Other than that they were fine. I'm no expert but I'll take a stab at it and guess that losing 2 former 1st round picks on the line and replacing them with two guys who graded as two of the worst linemen in the league last year MIGHT have something to do with it. Call me crazy.

There is some level of expectation that the line will struggle with new players, new schemes, etc, but this is ludicrous. They need to make personnel changes.
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I will lose a lot of faith in this coaching staff if they don't immediately reshuffle the offensive line. The right side is clearly not getting it done and somebody needs to get benched.

They absolutely have to.

I am worried about Tomsula's coaching mentality in that I fear he may stick with players out of a sense of loyalty when they need to be replaced. In the case of Devey and Pears these are not good players going through a patch of bad play. These are guys whose ceiling is lower than than that required to play the game. It's not a case of miscommunication and mental errors every play, they are getting physically and technically beaten by every opposing defender and on nearly every play.

It's insane to stick with these guys because they have never previously shown a form that justifies doing so.

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by Wisconsin49erfan:

Originally posted by Method:
Here's why I want to move on from kap:



Points Per Game

Completely unacceptable.

I know I am not going to convince you otherwise on a forum such as this, but it doesn't make any sense to bench Kap only to replace him with Gabbert who has averaged approximately the same number of points per game during his career. Personally, I think that right now Kap is having a hard time putting everything together (mechanics, reading progressions, moving around in the pocket, etc.) That doesn't mean he won't get it together. The problem is, our offensive line might be the worst in the NFL which means that Kap isn't getting any help from solid protection or a running game.

Make my words, if Gabbert goes in right now, it is simply more of the same (if not worse).

Going to Gabbert says nothing more than you're throwing in the towel on the rest of the season. If this team stumbles out to a 1-7 start, which is looking more and more possible, then I can see Gabbert getting some opportunities because the season has been lost.

But not now. Gabbert brings nothing special to the table. He's nothing more than a high round QB draft pick who flamed out elsewhere. And if CK7 doesn't wise up, he'll be the next Gabbert on someone's roster playing the role of backup foot soldier for less an a million a season.

I'm one of Kap's biggest supporters around here...but if we had a 1-5 start...and Kap is playing the same.... then well, I think you need to go to Gabbert. Not that I believe in him....but at least he would most likely have a different approach... dink and dunk with the RBs and quick passes.

and time on the bench might do Kap good.

1-5, you still have a chance at the playoffs.....barely... but you win a game with the new guy and momentum might be built.

Gabbert struggles after a few games and looks bad....then you go back to Kap... playoff chances are over. Now just go out there and see if time on the bench did you good....and if you can build on something for next year.