Gentlemen, I give you the Brett Favre effect

Well thought out thread fro. Well done.

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fro, good job, you have managed to take a lemon situation and make lemonade out of it.

This is what pisses me off. The whole "he cant read defenses" thing is crap. He can, he just doesnt let that s**t fly and trust himself. He justs needs to trust his instincts. Its when he hesitates his mechanics break down and he looks like s**t.

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

This is what pisses me off. The whole "he cant read defenses" thing is crap. He can, he just doesnt let that s**t fly and trust himself. He justs needs to trust his instincts. Its when he hesitates his mechanics break down and he looks like s**t.

agreed

Originally posted by Team49ers:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

This is what pisses me off. The whole "he cant read defenses" thing is crap. He can, he just doesnt let that s**t fly and trust himself. He justs needs to trust his instincts. Its when he hesitates his mechanics break down and he looks like s**t.

agreed

Hopefully, Logan and Geep are hammering this home especially this week. This week is an example of what happens when you don't trust what you are seeing. You just have to let the mouthetf**ker fly.

I hated the guy because he owned us pretty much his whole career, but the holmgren led Favre was one of the best QBs I had even seen. 94-97 Favre was pretty much his pinnacle. Holmgren could always dial him in at that point in his career, he was much, much more than the gun slinger that he seemed like post holmgren.

I see what youre saying. My concern is this coachingg staff. Yeah, Favre had some bad days but he also had coordinators and coaches that kndw how to call and run an offense. We havent had (positive) consistency offensively in more than a decade. Geep was very predictable in AZ. Kap is nowhere near good enough to make up for a s**tty game plan.

Edit: Just looked at that Favre link. He had a game with 6 picks and w pick 6s. In the playoffs. Daaaaaaamn. Thats bad.

My god, Kaepernick is not Bret Favre. Kaepernick has regressed since 2012, each year becoming less and less effective (garbage time against the Steelers, ya). If we had younger Favre on this team right now I'd see us going to the playoffs this year. With Kaepernick? 6-10 will be likely. If that.

Originally posted by Phil-2:
My god, Kaepernick is not Bret Favre. Kaepernick has regressed since 2012, each year becoming less and less effective (garbage time against the Steelers, ya). If we had younger Favre on this team right now I'd see us going to the playoffs this year. With Kaepernick? 6-10 will be likely. If that.

Might want to check out the OL or coaches film thread and rethink that one.

Joe Montana, Steve Young, Tom Brady, Jesus. Would all get sacked to death on this team.

ain't nobody got time for playoffs behind this OL

Originally posted by Antix:
I see what youre saying. My concern is this coachingg staff. Yeah, Favre had some bad days but he also had coordinators and coaches that kndw how to call and run an offense. We havent had (positive) consistency offensively in more than a decade. Geep was very predictable in AZ. Kap is nowhere near good enough to make up for a s**tty game plan.

Edit: Just looked at that Favre link. He had a game with 6 picks and w pick 6s. In the playoffs. Daaaaaaamn. Thats bad.

Chryst HAS to be simplistic. That's the situation Kap creates. Harbaugh/Roman had to deal with the same thing. Jim tried to push Kaepernicks passing to the limit at times and all this "let Kap be Kap" nonsense came to the forefront. Well, letting Kap be Kap means we have to have an offense built from bootlegs and rollouts. Simple. Predictable. Usually to the right side. Kap plays well on the run and can throw across his body better than most but In the NFL successful teams (long term) need a more complex passing game.

Originally posted by SoCold:
Might want to check out the OL or coaches film thread and rethink that one.

Joe Montana, Steve Young, Tom Brady, Jesus. Would all get sacked to death on this team.

ain't nobody got time for playoffs behind this OL

No they wouldn't. They'd get rid of the ball quicker. And I watched the game, I don't need homer film breakdown to tell me Kaepernick caused those turnovers himself. Blaming the o-line for his weak (overall) game isn't going to work. The regression is clear and it has nothing to do with the o-line much of the time. Not in 2013 and not in 2014. Kaepernick has all the same issues he had coming out of Nevada and this is his 5'th year in the NFL. Accept it. He is who he is. Yes, for Kaepernick to be a good passer we will in fact need the best o-line possible, giving him 3.5 seconds to throw.

Last year, when he took 50+ sacks, what was his average time to throw? How long did the o-line give him on average? He had the third longest time in the NFL at 2.96 seconds. He frequently leaves the pocket when he should be stepping up or scrambling a tad to avoid pressure while keeping his eyes downfield. You step up, keep your eyes downfield, make the throw and take the hit. That's what passing QB's do. Kaepernick is looking for running lanes though. He needs to release the ball quicker, get running off his mind and dedicate to the pass even in a crumbling pocket. That's what Montana would do, that's what Young eventually learned to do.

This is one of the main issues wit Kaepernick. This doesn't come natural to him. He's programmed with a fight or flight response. Fight (pass) or flight (run). We rarely see him stand tall in the pocket and take a hit as he's passing the ball. He's too busy scrambling, looking for running lanes. I think he's also aware of the fact that he passes better on the run. Kaepernicks accuracy from the pocket has always been bad. In fact, he played worse in 2014 with no pressure at all!!! And that's a fact.

So, shoulda hired Holmgren?