SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS vs DALLAS COWBOYS GAMEDAY THREAD 2015- Preseason Week 2

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Zealot:
Yeah, but what about him appearing to snub Hayne as he ran over to Gabbert after the play? It was hardly Hayne's fault what happened on that play, was it? Does Gabbert have an issue?

LOL

It wasn't a "snub". It's a read option play. The QB simply read the play wrong. It doesn't mean he has an issue with Hayne. Gabbert is a 2nd string QB for a reason.

Er, I'm not referring to Hayne not being given the ball, I'm referring to when Hayne runs over to Gabbert after the play, he appears to have the s**ts about something and waves Hayne away. I'm not saying he definitely does, that's just how it looks.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Bali-Niner:

Originally posted by sanjo49er:
Where is the love for Purcell. Doot is balling outa control

Hell ya, was playing lights out! For a very big man he has some moves and runs well..

Love me some Purcell

Hope he makes the team. TJE gots to go.

This is what DAL did to defend the read option. The DE crashes down to make the QB keep the ball. The playside LB scrapes over the top. It's an exchange in gap responsibility.

Originally posted by thl408:

Had Gabbert handed off to Hayne, they might have had a better shot at getting the first down (3rd & 1) because Hayne could have just fallen forward if #95 can't make a sure tackle. But as far as Gabbert's read on the play, he made the correct read.

Honestly, I don't like any QB not named Kap running read option plays Would have rather just got the first down.

I watched it again though a saw what you where talking about.

#95 is really crashing down.

Bowman the bad man himself is back!!! Seriously, I had goosebumps for about 5 minutes after seeing that first tfl.

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
Hope he makes the team. TJE gots to go.

Yeah, it comes down to Purcell and TJE for that final spot on the d-line. Purcell has clearly been the better player so far. Both guys have been developing with the team for a few years now, so it will pain the coaches to let one go. That's what Scott Brown was saying a few days back. If the call is to be made today, it's definitely Purcell that's earned the job.

On NFL TotalAccess Heath Evans just credited Kap with a pick he didn't even throw. He has always been a Kap hater, but his blind Kap hatred has reached a new low. After that game though, not even that clown can get me down.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by thl408:
Had Gabbert handed off to Hayne, they might have had a better shot at getting the first down (3rd & 1) because Hayne could have just fallen forward if #95 can't make a sure tackle. But as far as Gabbert's read on the play, he made the correct read.

Honestly, I don't like any QB not named Kap running read option plays Would have rather just got the first down.

I watched it again though a saw what you where talking about.

#95 is really crashing down.

You still have all 3 ILBs keying in on Gabbert, I don't think it was the correct read.

Originally posted by GorefullBore:
On NFL TotalAccess Heath Evans just credited Kap with a pick he didn't even throw. He has always been a Kap hater, but his blind Kap hatred has reached a new low. After that game though, not even that clown can get me down.

Yeah I posted that a few pages back, he's a Grade A moron.

Originally posted by thl408:

This is what DAL did to defend the read option. The DE crashes down to make the QB keep the ball. The playside LB scrapes over the top. It's an exchange in gap responsibility.

Do the QBs have enough time to key on this tactic? Or is it just the athleticism of the QB that's suppose to defeat it? Or does it require an option pitch off of it also...basically making it a triple option.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by thl408:
Had Gabbert handed off to Hayne, they might have had a better shot at getting the first down (3rd & 1) because Hayne could have just fallen forward if #95 can't make a sure tackle. But as far as Gabbert's read on the play, he made the correct read.

Honestly, I don't like any QB not named Kap running read option plays Would have rather just got the first down.

I watched it again though a saw what you where talking about.

#95 is really crashing down.

You still have all 3 ILBs keying in on Gabbert, I don't think it was the correct read.

The QB isn't reading the DE and all three LBs. He's reading the DE, and that's it. This is a very well known tactic to defend the read option. Just google 'scrape exchange' if you don't believe me. Gabber is making one read and one read only, the DE. The DE crashes. In that screenshot you can see the playside LB shifting, or scraping, over.

At least our boys showed up to play this one. How did acker and reaser play?

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by thl408:
Had Gabbert handed off to Hayne, they might have had a better shot at getting the first down (3rd & 1) because Hayne could have just fallen forward if #95 can't make a sure tackle. But as far as Gabbert's read on the play, he made the correct read.

Honestly, I don't like any QB not named Kap running read option plays Would have rather just got the first down.

I watched it again though a saw what you where talking about.

#95 is really crashing down.

You still have all 3 ILBs keying in on Gabbert, I don't think it was the correct read.

The QB isn't reading the DE and all three LBs. He's reading the DE, and that's it. This is a very well known tactic to defend the read option. Just google 'scrape exchange' if you don't believe me. Gabber is making one read and one read only, the DE. The DE crashes. In that screenshot you can see the playside LB shifting, or scraping, over.

oh ok

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by thl408:
This is what DAL did to defend the read option. The DE crashes down to make the QB keep the ball. The playside LB scrapes over the top. It's an exchange in gap responsibility.

Do the QBs have enough time to key on this tactic? Or is it just the athleticism of the QB that's suppose to defeat it? Or does it require an option pitch off of it also...basically making it a triple option.

The QB only has time for one read, and that's the DE. Once the battle becomes QB versus LB, a more athletic QB improves the chances of the offense winning. Increasing the number of options for the QB is another way to stress the scrape exchange. The offense can add a pitch, like you stated, or even a passing option.

If the offense knows the defense will do this, have the LT block the DE, it's no longer going to be a read option play, more of a regular inside zone handoff, but now the LB will start to scrape towards the edge and be late reacting to the RB dive.

Originally posted by thl408:

The QB only has time for one read, and that's the DE. Once the battle becomes QB versus LB, a more athletic QB improves the chances of the offense winning. Increasing the number of options for the QB is another way to stress the scrape exchange. The offense can add a pitch, like you stated, or even a passing option.

If the offense knows the defense will do this, have the LT block the DE, it's no longer going to be a read option play, more of a regular inside zone handoff, but now the LB will start to scrape towards the edge and be late reacting to the RB dive.

Cool...thanks for the explanation. My knowledge of the read-option game isnt up to the level of my WCO concept knowledge

I knew about only reading the DE, but as far as what to do when other looks are given I'm not very deep.