Do you Agree with Vernon Davis? . . . . .

Originally posted by SoCold:
I still saw Vernon lining up on the wrong side of the ball last year. Kap needing to tell him where to go. I know they tried to mix things up last year but that can't happen. There were flaws everywhere.

yes . and after a while that back thing became a non excuse for me. however he has been a good pro for us for years so i think everyone, cept for maybe gabbert and dahl ,, deserve to have a clean slate for the new year

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by UKNiner:
Not great at times but last time I checked pretty sure that he can't draw up the game plan and throw the ball to himself.

Agreed. Many times the play called for a 4 or 5 step drop but often Kaep was getting pressured by his 3rd step. But I always go back to the philosophy. Not oly was the game plan not conducive with Kaeps skill-set, it was a philosophy and game plan that exposed the weaknesses of the O-line as well.

This too. I think thl408 nailed it when he noted all the issues 1) scheme/philosophy/adjustments 2) how defenses were, in particular, playing VD 3) OL overloaded and struggling in PP or at least, not consistent esp. for deeper routes, and 4) CK's processing too much with too little time (pre snap and in-snap) and making incorrect reads or not trusting the routes.

It really was a collective fail. It's a damn miracle we won 8 games last year.

PS: You may disagree on the weight given to each of these issues but not the issues themselves. The great news is that the new coaching staff is hellbent on correcting every one of these issues as evidenced in the off season reports thus far.

You are so right. It was a collaborative failure last season. And I do give greater/lessor weight to each issue. I place the heaviest weight on the shift in scheme/philosophy/adjustments (and I'm not talking 60/40 either), and I believe that shift was the heaviest factor contributing to the O-line troubles, which in turn contributed heavily in Kaeps struggles.

Now, when it comes to Vernon I think it's a little different dynamic. His drops clearly effected Kaep's trust in him. Re-watching some video I saw Kaep actually make correct reads to Vernon but just wouldn't pull the trigger his way, causing him to re-set, which in turn he holds the ball a second longer than he should have, causing a sack or him forcing the ball to trusted targets like Boldin, even in games where Boldin himself was struggling with drops. Plus, it just didn't seem to me that when Vernon did get the ball in his hands he just didn't seem to be playing at full speed, as if he was trying to preserve himself. From my eye test he just didn't fight for yards as much. I don't know - maybe it's just me.

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Pretty atypical of this offense no? I would agree this specific play there were 10 seconds left but I'd say this is more the exception than the rule. What are you thoughts about that thl408.

The notion that the playclock always ticks down to 1 is a case of confirmation bias. In reality, it happens I'd say once in every 5-7 plays. That may still be too often, but it's not close to 'most of the time'. If anyone doesn't believe me just watch the broadcast and keep an eye on the playclock. It's there for everyone to see.

If what Vernon said was true, that a safety was there waiting, then the D didn't respect the rest of the O and just sat on VD, which makes sense. The year before VD was dangerous, so obviously you do what you can to take him out along with Boldin and Gore. No help from the other WR or 2nd TE or FB. Part of it was scheming, there was no dump offs or screens and the safety just has to sit and wait, no other deep threat then everything is one on one and just spy VD or Kaep. Of course even if you have the talent to go deep but don't and they know you won't why worry.

It is not a matter of also going deep, but when to go deep to make the D think twice. going deep only on 2nd and short and a D will follow that tell tale, going deep on 1rst and 10 2nd and long or 3rd and short will loosen them up more. Also knowing to use VD as decoy and the wr as decoy also is a must.

In the end VD also must do his part, but like all athletes, you sometimes need to get them in a groove. It is a money year, so he will have something to prove to either the niners or another team that might want a TE.

One thing that Bill Walsh did to be partly unpredictable was his scripted plays. Yes he would from time to time deviate, but the thing about doing this is that the players knew what was coming, knew their assignments.

This also dictated to the D and not the situation or D dictate to them.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Pretty atypical of this offense no? I would agree this specific play there were 10 seconds left but I'd say this is more the exception than the rule. What are you thoughts about that thl408.

The notion that the playclock always ticks down to 1 is a case of confirmation bias. In reality, it happens I'd say once in every 5-7 plays. That may still be too often, but it's not close to 'most of the time'. If anyone doesn't believe me just watch the broadcast and keep an eye on the playclock. It's there for everyone to see.

after four years there is no excuse for it to happen once in every five to 7 plays if your theory is correct,,,,,,, and in the super bowl on that stage , at that time of the game,, there is ZERO excuse for it to happen as we have heard about recently. i actually think it is a helluva lot more than 5-7 plays but thank god, it is a moot point now

Originally posted by WildBill:
One thing that Bill Walsh did to be partly unpredictable was his scripted plays. Yes he would from time to time deviate, but the thing about doing this is that the players knew what was coming, knew their assignments.

This also dictated to the D and not the situation or D dictate to them.

This is something I'm hoping the 49ers get back to.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by WildBill:
One thing that Bill Walsh did to be partly unpredictable was his scripted plays. Yes he would from time to time deviate, but the thing about doing this is that the players knew what was coming, knew their assignments.

This also dictated to the D and not the situation or D dictate to them.

This is something I'm hoping the 49ers get back to.

I'm pretty sure we scripted plays. Every team does to start games. It's a staple of the NFL now.

Our problem was 2nd half scoring. 8th in the league in 1st half scoring, dead last in second half scoring. We had solid gameplans going into each week, but couldn't adjust mid-game to save our lives. Hopefully the new coaching staff solves that problem.

Originally posted by SofaKing:
I'm pretty sure we scripted plays. Every team does to start games. It's a staple of the NFL now.

Our problem was 2nd half scoring. 8th in the league in 1st half scoring, dead last in second half scoring. We had solid gameplans going into each week, but couldn't adjust mid-game to save our lives. Hopefully the new coaching staff solves that problem.

Not every team scripts plays. And it really didn't appear to me that we did it, if at all.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Pretty atypical of this offense no? I would agree this specific play there were 10 seconds left but I'd say this is more the exception than the rule. What are you thoughts about that thl408.

The notion that the playclock always ticks down to 1 is a case of confirmation bias. In reality, it happens I'd say once in every 5-7 plays. That may still be too often, but it's not close to 'most of the time'. If anyone doesn't believe me just watch the broadcast and keep an eye on the playclock. It's there for everyone to see.

Conformation bias and the WZ go hand in hand. Reality has no place here

VD wasnt used correctly and was a decoy

Originally posted by Constantine:
VD wasnt used correctly and was a decoy

he just had a off year, for whatever reason, like many guys. as of today what he and others did last year means nothing. well maybe gabbert and dahl are exceptions

Originally posted by SofaKing:
I'm pretty sure we scripted plays. Every team does to start games. It's a staple of the NFL now.

Our problem was 2nd half scoring. 8th in the league in 1st half scoring, dead last in second half scoring. We had solid gameplans going into each week, but couldn't adjust mid-game to save our lives. Hopefully the new coaching staff solves that problem.

That is SO telling, it's not even funny! It's like a microcasm of the HaRoman era...once teams had a minute to figure out what we were doing, we were done offensively.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SofaKing:
I'm pretty sure we scripted plays. Every team does to start games. It's a staple of the NFL now.

Our problem was 2nd half scoring. 8th in the league in 1st half scoring, dead last in second half scoring. We had solid gameplans going into each week, but couldn't adjust mid-game to save our lives. Hopefully the new coaching staff solves that problem.

That is SO telling, it's not even funny! It's like a microcasm of the HaRoman era...once teams had a minute to figure out what we were doing, we were done offensively.

based on how much emphasis they put in a little mini camp on play calling and drills on how long it takes to get the ball snapped,, this coaching staff is very very well aware of the failings of the previous one and are addressing this very very crying out for help area.. i know some take great offense to holding former coaches accountable but dead last in second half scoring, when you had healthy skill players on offense, can not be defended. i am sure they will try but it simply can not be done, thank god that is over. how come we could never adjust to the other teams adjustments ? maybe maybe its just because jesus and his fat little henchmen simply were not capable of it

yeah Daivs it was definitely the play-calling/scheme's fault




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