Do you Agree with Vernon Davis? . . . . .

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Every bit of this. . .

And a little bit of this:

Some of that stems from Roman's effort to simplify the offense. But Rich Gannon, the former MVP, said it really starts with Kaepernick.

"To me, he just doesn't look comfortable in the offense. ... People say, 'Fire Greg Roman! What are they doing? It's vanilla,' " the former Raiders star told Sirius XM Radio. "Why do you think they're scaling it back? That's what the fans out there need to understand.

"What, do you think the coordinator got dumb overnight? You think Jim Harbaugh doesn't know what he's doing? The quarterback's not making the right decisions. The quarterback isn't making the right checks. So what are we going to do? We're going to make it more simplistic. We're going to have a little bit less volume in the offense."

Greg Cosell, a senior producer at NFL Films, cited a specific example against the St. Louis Rams earlier this season. He said that on third-and-short, the Rams defense played a Cover-Zero -- meaning no safety in the middle of the field. In his film review, he saw Roman had a play call to beat that defense with a post route for (Michael) Crabtree to run through a "wide-open middle."

"(Kaepernick) needs to know right away that that's where the ball should be thrown," Cosell told KNBR radio. "But he was totally focused on (Anquan) Boldin, who was double-covered. No recognition. And Kaepernick just dropped his eyes and ran into a sack. Plays like that are what concern you over time, because that's pre-snap recognition."
http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_27069768/49ers-offensive-woes-roman-or-kaepernick-blame

I saw more than a handful of times where the correct route combination was called to beat the defense and Kap refused to give it a chance. Rather opting to go to the 1v1 matchup he had on the other side of the field. The coaches could have done a lot more to help out Kap like incorporating RBs into the passing game, or rolling him out to avoid having to stay in the pocket so often, but when the Oline can't pass pro and the QB is feeling the effects of it, the offense is going to struggle.

He still dropped wide open passes that went for big yardage. He sucked and the gameplan sucked.

Originally posted by thl408:

And a little bit of this:

Some of that stems from Roman's effort to simplify the offense. But Rich Gannon, the former MVP, said it really starts with Kaepernick.

"To me, he just doesn't look comfortable in the offense. ... People say, 'Fire Greg Roman! What are they doing? It's vanilla,' " the former Raiders star told Sirius XM Radio. "Why do you think they're scaling it back? That's what the fans out there need to understand.

"What, do you think the coordinator got dumb overnight? You think Jim Harbaugh doesn't know what he's doing? The quarterback's not making the right decisions. The quarterback isn't making the right checks. So what are we going to do? We're going to make it more simplistic. We're going to have a little bit less volume in the offense."

Greg Cosell, a senior producer at NFL Films, cited a specific example against the St. Louis Rams earlier this season. He said that on third-and-short, the Rams defense played a Cover-Zero -- meaning no safety in the middle of the field. In his film review, he saw Roman had a play call to beat that defense with a post route for (Michael) Crabtree to run through a "wide-open middle."

"(Kaepernick) needs to know right away that that's where the ball should be thrown," Cosell told KNBR radio. "But he was totally focused on (Anquan) Boldin, who was double-covered. No recognition. And Kaepernick just dropped his eyes and ran into a sack. Plays like that are what concern you over time, because that's pre-snap recognition."
http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_27069768/49ers-offensive-woes-roman-or-kaepernick-blame

I saw more than a handful of times where the correct route combination was called to beat the defense and Kap refused to give it a chance. Rather opting to go to the 1v1 matchup he had on the other side of the field. The coaches could have done a lot more to help out Kap like incorporating RBs into the passing game, or rolling him out to avoid having to stay in the pocket so often, but when the Oline can't pass pro and the QB is feeling the effects of it, the offense is going to struggle.

It still comes down to decisions made by Harbaugh in the long run. He's the one who put the QB in.

Veron Davis wasn't the only player complaining about the game planing/schemes...I believe joe staley was also talking about it last season

Originally posted by JiksJuicy:

Originally posted by thl408:
And a little bit of this:

Some of that stems from Roman's effort to simplify the offense. But Rich Gannon, the former MVP, said it really starts with Kaepernick.

"To me, he just doesn't look comfortable in the offense. ... People say, 'Fire Greg Roman! What are they doing? It's vanilla,' " the former Raiders star told Sirius XM Radio. "Why do you think they're scaling it back? That's what the fans out there need to understand.

"What, do you think the coordinator got dumb overnight? You think Jim Harbaugh doesn't know what he's doing? The quarterback's not making the right decisions. The quarterback isn't making the right checks. So what are we going to do? We're going to make it more simplistic. We're going to have a little bit less volume in the offense."

Greg Cosell, a senior producer at NFL Films, cited a specific example against the St. Louis Rams earlier this season. He said that on third-and-short, the Rams defense played a Cover-Zero -- meaning no safety in the middle of the field. In his film review, he saw Roman had a play call to beat that defense with a post route for (Michael) Crabtree to run through a "wide-open middle."

"(Kaepernick) needs to know right away that that's where the ball should be thrown," Cosell told KNBR radio. "But he was totally focused on (Anquan) Boldin, who was double-covered. No recognition. And Kaepernick just dropped his eyes and ran into a sack. Plays like that are what concern you over time, because that's pre-snap recognition."
http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_27069768/49ers-offensive-woes-roman-or-kaepernick-blame

I saw more than a handful of times where the correct route combination was called to beat the defense and Kap refused to give it a chance. Rather opting to go to the 1v1 matchup he had on the other side of the field. The coaches could have done a lot more to help out Kap like incorporating RBs into the passing game, or rolling him out to avoid having to stay in the pocket so often, but when the Oline can't pass pro and the QB is feeling the effects of it, the offense is going to struggle.

It still comes down to decisions made by Harbaugh in the long run. He's the one who put the QB in.

Let's go one level further and blame Baalke for drafting Kap. Naw, it's Jed's fault for hiring Baalke. Yeah, let's not go down that road with the thread.

Davis is correct IMO. It didn't help that he was injured a lot of the season, but I think the receivers were so easy to cover that teams could scheme against Davis. And the running game couldn't bail 'em out 'cause the OL was so banged up.

Originally posted by thl408:
So he doesn't show up to camp (his fault), gets injured in week 2 (ankle, not his fault), then injured again in week 5 (back) which hindered him the rest of the season, and complains about not being involved in the offense. There was only one deep threat last season that any opposing defense gave a damn about. Of course there's going to be, "a safety sitting over there already".

I'm not excusing the scheme. It was lacking, while trying to do too much, but he needs to have some reflection when reassessing his performance last season.

Oh and the 49ers do not run a one read passing attack.

One of my biggest annoyances amongst posters, Im not sure how this even got started.

Originally posted by thl408:

Let's go one level further and blame Baalke for drafting Kap. Naw, it's Jed's fault for hiring Baalke. Yeah, let's not go down that road with the thread.

Nope I'm not going down that road. Your post indicated they had to dumb down the offense for the QB Harbaugh put in. So if that's true he dug his own grave IF he played a QB that couldn't understand his playbook. That's all I'm saying. Harbaugh made the decision not Baalke.

But I digress.

Originally posted by philosoraptor:
One of my biggest annoyances amongst posters, Im not sure how this even got started.

Greg Cossell said in an interview that the 49ers coaches are very good at making Kaepernick's first read get open. So he doesn't have to do much of scanning the field. I guess people took that to mean Kap is a one read QB.

It is hard not to have a one read route when you are constantly trying to avoid the oncoming rush. When defenders are constantly in your face, what do you do!

Originally posted by JiksJuicy:

Originally posted by thl408:
Let's go one level further and blame Baalke for drafting Kap. Naw, it's Jed's fault for hiring Baalke. Yeah, let's not go down that road with the thread.

Nope I'm not going down that road. Your post indicated they had to dumb down the offense for the QB Harbaugh put in. So if that's true he dug his own grave IF he played a QB that couldn't understand his playbook. That's all I'm saying. Harbaugh made the decision not Baalke.

But I digress.

Understood.

There were a lot of things wrong with the offense last season. This is probably the 100th time I've stated this, but I think the source of it all was the OLine and its inconsistent play. From there, it was a trickle down effect that was detrimental to the skill positions. But once the OLine's struggles were apparent, there were things the staff should have done in the name of damage control (scheme adjustments), and they didn't.

I'm not even going to touch this thread. LOL

This PFF article from today does kinda support his thoughts. He ran the second most corner routes in the league; more than every single WR. Over 10% of Davis's routes were corner routes, the highest in the league:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/06/15/route-breakdown-corner-route/

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Every bit of this. . .

And a little bit of this:

Some of that stems from Roman's effort to simplify the offense. But Rich Gannon, the former MVP, said it really starts with Kaepernick.

"To me, he just doesn't look comfortable in the offense. ... People say, 'Fire Greg Roman! What are they doing? It's vanilla,' " the former Raiders star told Sirius XM Radio. "Why do you think they're scaling it back? That's what the fans out there need to understand.

"What, do you think the coordinator got dumb overnight? You think Jim Harbaugh doesn't know what he's doing? The quarterback's not making the right decisions. The quarterback isn't making the right checks. So what are we going to do? We're going to make it more simplistic. We're going to have a little bit less volume in the offense."

Greg Cosell, a senior producer at NFL Films, cited a specific example against the St. Louis Rams earlier this season. He said that on third-and-short, the Rams defense played a Cover-Zero -- meaning no safety in the middle of the field. In his film review, he saw Roman had a play call to beat that defense with a post route for (Michael) Crabtree to run through a "wide-open middle."

"(Kaepernick) needs to know right away that that's where the ball should be thrown," Cosell told KNBR radio. "But he was totally focused on (Anquan) Boldin, who was double-covered. No recognition. And Kaepernick just dropped his eyes and ran into a sack. Plays like that are what concern you over time, because that's pre-snap recognition."
http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_27069768/49ers-offensive-woes-roman-or-kaepernick-blame

I saw more than a handful of times where the correct route combination was called to beat the defense and Kap refused to give it a chance. Rather opting to go to the 1v1 matchup he had on the other side of the field. The coaches could have done a lot more to help out Kap like incorporating RBs into the passing game, or rolling him out to avoid having to stay in the pocket so often, but when the Oline can't pass pro and the QB is feeling the effects of it, the offense is going to struggle.

I agree in some aspects. However when you get to the line with little time to read the defense and adjust and that's the norm you are going to miss things. I saw all to often the coaching staff continue to try and fit a square peg into a round hole. I just don't see how Kap can't become better with his work ethic. Unless that work ethic is to lift weights and not be a better QB, study film, etc. Steve Young has said it and I agree with it. You have to love the little mundane things about being a QB, like film study or you will never be that franchise QB. Either way Vernon, Crab and the entire offense and offensive coaching staff had a hand in last year. Vernon certainly did not help things with his hands of stone and crap route running.

I could see it if he caught it when it did come his way, but he sucked even then. So to me he needs to stfu.

So the game plan made him miss camp asking for a raise then subsequently suck when he did hit the field? Yea ok Vernon.