Joe Montana Legacy Secured

Originally posted by Niners99:

Peyton was notoriously mediocre in the playoffs.

And Eli played mediocre in most regular seasons leading to numerous non playoff seasons.

Never lost in the SB that's all that matters.

Originally posted by theduke85:

I agree, but in fairness to Brady, getting sacked and fumbling is a far cry from throwing an ill-advised interception.

Anyway, I agree Brady fans can't have it both ways. But why are Montana apologists able to have it both ways?

Everyone cites his impeccable Super Bowl record, but glosses over his losses earlier in the playoffs. Like, for example, three straight one-and-dones, a three-year stretch where he threw 0 TD and 4 INT. Why does Montana get credit for being perfect in the SB, but everyone glosses over him having complete duds in the playoffs? "Those games don't count, they didn't happen in the SUPER BOWL" is the most mind-numbingly stupid excuse I've ever heard in my life, and yet people reflexively regurgitate that awful argument every time this discussion comes up.

Imagine that, having terrible performances prevents a player from reaching the Super Bowl in the first place, who would've thought?!

Joe Montana's winning percentage with the Niners in the postseason, not just Super Bowl, is better than Brady's.

Just saying

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

With a chance to win the game Brady turned the ball over. That's a fact.

After he had just brought his team back with 3 TDs to take the lead.

That's great but he didn't get it done when he had the chance with he ball in his hands. Like Kap didn't get it done after the comeback.

Why don't you Tom Brady lovers go soothe his kokc with your throats, i'm sure he needs it after losing his 3rd super bowl to Nick Foles. History will not remember his 505 yards or 3 TD's. They are going to remember that the "GOAT" (PFFFFFFT please) fumbled when he had an opportunity to win the game.

Mariota, Bortals he dominated, but the great Nick Foles is the true MVP !!!

Originally posted by Stevec9932:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

With a chance to win the game Brady turned the ball over. That's a fact.

Why are you trying so hard to prove Brady is better than Montana on a 49er fan forum?

Brady essentially led the team to 4 straight TD drives(not counting the 22 seconds they had heading into the half as a realistic drive) after losing his #1 WR to injury.

Because his OL allowed a Dlman to get in there and knock the ball out of his hand on the 5th drive doesn't mean he failed.

Having 5 straight TD drives against the #4 points/yards allowed defense in the NFL in what in essence was home field for them(based on crowd noise) was something Joe never had to do in his career.

I'm sure if Brady had a top 10 defense like Joe did in each of his SB wins or if his D averages 16 points allowed per game like Joe's did in his SB wins...well obviously it would've been a blowout by the Pats and not another loss.

Just because Joe is an all time great who was a niner doesn't mean we have to trash Brady...once again the guy grew up a niner fan like all of us. Show some respect.

Brady lost to Foles and Eli x2... Montana hands down the GOAT

Joe doesn't lose to backups

His SB wins comes from beating the likes of Dan Marino and John Elway.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

With a chance to win the game Brady turned the ball over. That's a fact.

Why are you trying so hard to prove Brady is better than Montana on a 49er fan forum?

Brady essentially led the team to 4 straight TD drives(not counting the 22 seconds they had heading into the half as a realistic drive) after losing his #1 WR to injury.

Because his OL allowed a Dlman to get in there and knock the ball out of his hand on the 5th drive doesn't mean he failed.

Having 5 straight TD drives against the #4 points/yards allowed defense in the NFL in what in essence was home field for them(based on crowd noise) was something Joe never had to do in his career.

I'm sure if Brady had a top 10 defense like Joe did in each of his SB wins or if his D averages 16 points allowed per game like Joe's did in his SB wins...well obviously it would've been a blowout by the Pats and not another loss.

Just because Joe is an all time great who was a niner doesn't mean we have to trash Brady...once again the guy grew up a niner fan like all of us. Show some respect.

Tomscuses

Facts do not equal trashing, dude had the ball in hand and turned it over when he had a chance to win.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by robniner:

The bottom line is how he acted when the backup is a star on the rise; teams have shown they would rather go in that direction once the backup has shown he can play in the league.

Latest case-in-point......the Chiefs saying good luck in the Nation's Capitol when Mahomes proved himself in one game.

It's not on Brady that NE picked him. You think Joe or Favre wanted to be traded? Joe wouldn't show up to any event Steve came to for like a decade.

Time runs out and the organization has to pick. NE picked wrong but it's not on Tom.

But it doesn't leave out his influence and pompous ego played a role.

Originally posted by theduke85:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by theduke85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

The Brady apologists are out in force after the choke job.

If you want a case study of how insecure 49ers fans are, look no further than a 503-yard, 3 TD, 0 INT performance being spun as a "choke job" by Brady.

When Montana had a performance like this (Denver), his team won 55-10. Do you think Brady would've won if his defense allowed 10 points yesterday? (Hint: yes.)

Brady is the last person to blame for the game yesterday. Good grief.

Brady played very meh in his first Super Bowl appearance but people use it in GOAT conversations why? Because he drove down the field for the win when it mattered.

Last night Brady played good the whole game but then when it came time to pull off the win against one of the worst defenses he's played in the Super Bowl? He coughed the ball up.

So which is it? Is it about stats or is it about delivering in the moment? Brady fans can't have it both ways.

I agree, but in fairness to Brady, getting sacked and fumbling is a far cry from throwing an ill-advised interception.

Anyway, I agree Brady fans can't have it both ways. But why are Montana apologists able to have it both ways?

Everyone cites his impeccable Super Bowl record, but glosses over his losses earlier in the playoffs. Like, for example, three straight one-and-dones, a three-year stretch where he threw 0 TD and 4 INT. Why does Montana get credit for being perfect in the SB, but everyone glosses over him having complete duds in the playoffs? "Those games don't count, they didn't happen in the SUPER BOWL" is the most mind-numbingly stupid excuse I've ever heard in my life, and yet people reflexively regurgitate that awful argument every time this discussion comes up.

Imagine that, having terrible performances prevents a player from reaching the Super Bowl in the first place, who would've thought?!

He held onto that ball for far too long with a 2nd and 2 situation and he failed to secure the ball when the sack was coming in his face. Maybe he thought he would get tuck rule type bailout again.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Joe Montana's winning percentage with the Niners in the postseason, not just Super Bowl, is better than Brady's.

Just saying

Edit: Joe is 16-7 overall, Tom 28-10. Tom slightly edges him out.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Joe Montana's winning percentage with the Niners in the postseason, not just Super Bowl, is better than Brady's.

Just saying

And overall it's an exact tie at .736.

Losses..........

Originally posted by Stevec9932:
Why don't you Tom Brady lovers go soothe his kokc with your throats, i'm sure he needs it after losing his 3rd super bowl to Nick Foles. History will not remember his 505 yards or 3 TD's. They are going to remember that the "GOAT" (PFFFFFFT please) fumbled when he had an opportunity to win the game.

Mariota, Bortals he dominated, but the great Nick Foles is the true MVP !!!

Truth. Except for the part in parenthesis. I still think Brady is the GOAT, I just think it's funny that when he makes a mistake, our "fans" immediately try as hard as they can to defend him and go into full force damage control mode more than they ever have for any of our own players ever lmao

But you're absolutely right. 505 yards? Who ****ing cares. ESPN for the next week and NFL Network for the rest of time isn't going to show the 505 yards to remember this Super Bowl by. They're going to be showing Brady sitting on the ground disappointed after his fumble. That was the iconic moment of the game. As much as it makes some of our "fans" seethe.

Originally posted by robniner:
Joe doesn't lose to backups

His SB wins comes from beating the likes of Dan Marino and John Elway.

LOL. Joe only needed to score 27 total points in those two games to win. Yeah, it was ALL Joe.

Originally posted by genus49:

Brady essentially led the team to 4 straight TD drives(not counting the 22 seconds they had heading into the half as a realistic drive) after losing his #1 WR to injury.

Because his OL allowed a Dlman to get in there and knock the ball out of his hand on the 5th drive doesn't mean he failed.

Having 5 straight TD drives against the #4 points/yards allowed defense in the NFL in what in essence was home field for them(based on crowd noise) was something Joe never had to do in his career.

I'm sure if Brady had a top 10 defense like Joe did in each of his SB wins or if his D averages 16 points allowed per game like Joe's did in his SB wins...well obviously it would've been a blowout by the Pats and not another loss.

Just because Joe is an all time great who was a niner doesn't mean we have to trash Brady...once again the guy grew up a niner fan like all of us. Show some respect.

I'm not bashing Brady......but to the bolded, Joe put up 55 points on what was the number 1 defense for points and number 3 defense for yards. People just think that Denver defense was s**t. It was not.

Originally posted by robniner:

Joe doesn't lose to backups

His SB wins comes from beating the likes of Dan Marino and John Elway.

As I stated in an earlier post, all opposing QBs won the MVP the year they faced Joe in the SB except for Elway who won it two years prior.

He faced the top opposing QB every time.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Wildcard game wins are just as good as Super Bowl wins? Can't agree with that.

Don't get your point. You either won it all or at some point you lost. To pretend losing earlier is better is silly. Brady has done it 5 times, Joe 4. Only argument Joe has on Brady for winningest qb is Brady's longer career.

You keep saying this over and over, like if you say it enough times it will become factual or something. This is your opinion, not a fact. You are definitely entitled to your opinion, as is everyone else on this board. In my opinion, the SB is THE BIGGEST GAME........period. Joe went to 4 of them, never threw a pick, and never lost one. Brady has now lost 3 of them. That might be meaningless to you, but that is just your opinion. I still maintain.....if I get to choose the QB to play in a SB, it will always be Joe because he has a perfect record. Jow is the better QB in my opinion......he has never lost when playing in the biggest game ever. I'm not putting down Brady, he is fantastic, he is just not as good as Joe.