Joe Montana Legacy Secured

how do you become the GOAT? you become the GOAT when everybody says you are the GOAT. media, fans, current players, and ex players. why? because they witnessed the greatness. yes you guys don't have to agree. it's ok. but it will be impossible to argue against it.

some tweets i found. i just looked for my favorite players tweet.

Russell Wilson
✔@DangeRussWilson
- Congrats 12. .#NoTime2Sleep
(my favorite player of all time)

The greatest to EVER strap up.
— Ezekiel Elliott (@EzekielElliott) February 6, 2017
(my closet favorite right now)

Congrats to the #goat .he deserves it pic.twitter.com/v9l1Du5Zwa
— Thurman Thomas (@thurmanthomas) February 6, 2017
(one of my favorite RB ever)

Congratulations to @Patriots Owner Robert Kraft, Coach Bill Belichick, the Greatest QB ever Tom Brady and the entire team! #SB51
— Earvin Magic Johnson (@MagicJohnson) February 6, 2017
(my favorite basketball player of all time)

I can go on and on and post all the tweets from the current players to today's players. it's done deal. coronation really happened. every newspapers, websites, all claimed brady the GOAT as well.

and past players gets forgotten, sadly. if you think about it's kinda sad. there was a time when other players were 'GOAT' before montana. otto graham was the GOAT. johnny U was the GOAT. montana became the GOAT when he won he was on his way to win 4th SB.

now it's brady's turn. reign has started. IMO it started few years ago when he beat my hawks. i'm just very curious how long his reign will last. 20 years? 30 years? if i get to see another GOAT born in my life, it would be awesome. that means i get to enjoy watching the greatness from start to finish.

4/4 is 100%, perfect, absolute, consummate, pure, immaculate, unblemished, spotless, stainless, untainted & untarnished.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
That's right. We're only talking about what happens after we get to the super bowl. Is more likely to win 4 out of 4, or 5 out of seven. The answer is five out of seven. Now, is it more likely to go to four super bowls in eight healthy seasons, or seven super bowls in 12 healthy seasons. Obviously seven in twelve. that's good for Tom. Now Is it less likely to win four super bowls in eight seasons or five in 12? Obviously four in eight. That's good for Joe. So that's how it goes and it's all probabilities, so it's not really to be argued.

And, this is all not counting injury seasons, strike season or seasons with KC, for Joe.

So not only are you removing any time Joe apparently had any adversity but you're also completely disregarding the fact that the biggest challenge for a QB is GETTING to the SB.

That's the point you're either missing or just flat out ignoring because it goes against your idea that Joe is still the best.

Dan Marino, one of the greatest ever = 1 SB trip.
Aaron Rodgers, one of the most talented if not all time talented QBs = 1 SB trip
Steve Young = 1 SB trip(as a starter obviously)
Drew Brees = 1 SB trip
John Elway = 5 SB trips

....then there's Tom Brady with 7.

Once you're there is a totally different story. Only two teams playing. Getting there is a whole different ball game.

Originally posted by babarvaart:
4/4 is 100%, perfect, absolute, consummate, pure, immaculate, unblemished, spotless, stainless, untainted & untarnished.

Terrific. What do you think happened all the other years Montana played?

Originally posted by genus49:
Terrific. What do you think happened all the other years Montana played?

If you got to a Superbowl who would you want as your QB ?

Originally posted by babarvaart:
If you got to a Superbowl who would you want as your QB ?

You didn't answer the question.

I'd be very happy with either QB but the situations aren't exactly the same. Montana's 89 SB is what really set him apart but that team was beyond stacked and not just on offense.

If Joe's talent didn't stay together due to salary cap reasons we have no idea how successful he would've been or if he would've even gotten to those SBs.

Though what Brady was able to accomplish in the comeback this year was amazing.

Originally posted by babarvaart:
If you got to a Superbowl who would you want as your QB ?

The one who never lost one, of course.

Originally posted by babarvaart:
4/4 is 100%, perfect, absolute, consummate, pure, immaculate, unblemished, spotless, stainless, untainted & untarnished.

playoffs are important too because without winning the playoffs, you don't get to the SB. and brady has won more playoff games then montana and young combined. and he's still going strong.

Originally posted by babarvaart:
If you got to a Superbowl who would you want as your QB ?

first, this question has too many variables.

1. which team?
2. who's the weapon?
3. what offensive system are they running?

obviously montana is the best QB for the niners. brady is the best QB for the pats.

and let's hypothetically say it's a hypothetical 12-4 team with good defense and good offensive team. no randy moss, no jerry rice. team is built with bunch of solid players. if that's the case then the answer is absolutely tom brady.

Why?

brady has higher winning % in the playoffs.
Brady has played in 11 more playoff games
brady has been in 3 more SBs.

experiences do matter. yes, brady is much more experienced QB than montana because brady has played in more games, seen much more variety of defenses, and been in the tight games every time he was in the SB.

it's not close to me. debating who's better is one thing, but debating who i want as a QB is a totally different. i want more experienced QB who's seen it all and who has a track record of playing with B- players.

Originally posted by natediaz:

Originally posted by babarvaart:
If you got to a Superbowl who would you want as your QB ?

first, this question has too many variables.

1. which team?
2. who's the weapon?
3. what offensive system are they running?

obviously montana is the best QB for the niners. brady is the best QB for the pats.

and let's hypothetically say it's a hypothetical 12-4 team with good defense and good offensive team. no randy moss, no jerry rice. team is built with bunch of solid players. if that's the case then the answer is absolutely tom brady.

Why?

brady has higher winning % in the playoffs.
Brady has played in 11 more playoff games
brady has been in 3 more SBs.

experiences do matter. yes, brady is much more experienced QB than montana because brady has played in more games, seen much more variety of defenses, and been in the tight games every time he was in the SB.

it's not close to me. debating who's better is one thing, but debating who i want as a QB is a totally different. i want more experienced QB who's seen it all and who has a track record of playing with B- players.

Brady took a 18-0 team to the SB and lost. I'm sorry but your argument is bad. You don't take a great team to the SB and lose in this situation. Just because he beat your seachickens in the SB doesn't mean he is better than Joe in the SB.

Originally posted by dwy621:
Brady took a 18-0 team to the SB and lost. I'm sorry but your argument is bad. You don't take a great team to the SB and lose in this situation. Just because he beat your seachickens in the SB doesn't mean he is better than Joe in the SB.

obviously it's a team game. brady didn't lost a SB. pats did. just like how niners lost to bears 49-3. montana didn't lose that game.

in that SB, obviously pats struggled against the giants D. brady threw for almost 300 yards. and had a TD with 4 min left. he did his part considering the circumstances. but Oline failed big time. brady got abused and tyree catch happened. But IMO my seahawks were way way better than that giants team. IMO brady kinda figured it out. pats talking about pacing themselves in the SB made me bow down. they were 4-5 moves ahead of other teams. my seahawks didn't know that and we weren't a SB virgin.

brady has more 4th qtr comebacks and more game winning drives.

obviously there's no definite answer because both players play for different teams. but let's say the team is my seahawks.
i would choose brady over montana. i think we have a b level talent on offense. obviously brady would have to get rid of the football very quick because our oline isn't good. wilson wasn't great this year because he couldn't run. and when he was able to run he was still getting chased. but when we were good, it was when wilson was decisive and got rid of the ball quick. basically with brady, we would be just fine because brady gets rid of the ball faster than anybody i've seen.

and IMO brady would make baldwin look like a legit top 5er. i mean doug baldwin might be a perfect QB for brady. he's smart, can run route all day, tough as nails, shifty, and competitive. and most importantly he would be lethal in the dink and dunk offense.

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Originally posted by LVJay:

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Originally posted by genus49:
You didn't answer the question.

I'd be very happy with either QB but the situations aren't exactly the same. Montana's 89 SB is what really set him apart but that team was beyond stacked and not just on offense.

If Joe's talent didn't stay together due to salary cap reasons we have no idea how successful he would've been or if he would've even gotten to those SBs.

Though what Brady was able to accomplish in the comeback this year was amazing.

right on point. in this kind of debate, we always exclude the team that went to war with the QB. obviously QB is the most important piece to the puzzle, but the surrounding talent is critical when you play the biggest game of the season. IMO, montana had a great team around him. i really can't say pats are a great team. IMO they are the greatest organization. they have the greatest coach/QB combo. but overall they have so many replaceable pieces.

Originally posted by genus49:
So not only are you removing any time Joe apparently had any adversity but you're also completely disregarding the fact that the biggest challenge for a QB is GETTING to the SB.

That's the point you're either missing or just flat out ignoring because it goes against your idea that Joe is still the best.

Dan Marino, one of the greatest ever = 1 SB trip.
Aaron Rodgers, one of the most talented if not all time talented QBs = 1 SB trip
Steve Young = 1 SB trip(as a starter obviously)
Drew Brees = 1 SB trip
John Elway = 5 SB trips

....then there's Tom Brady with 7.

Once you're there is a totally different story. Only two teams playing. Getting there is a whole different ball game.

agreed. and brett favre who played 20 seasons only went to couple of them. it's really hard getting to the SB. in afc, if you are name wasn't brady, manning, and big ben, your chance of getting to the SB was basically slim to none.

I've avoided this conversation until now but if Brady plays half as long as he plans to, this question will seem silly. he has extended his prime in unprecedented fashion and isn't showing signs of coming back to the pack.

For now, the debate can go back and forth but time will settle it.