Joe Montana Legacy Secured

Originally posted by Niners816:
All that illustrates is the differences from the WCO and the ernhardt-Perkins/air raid flavor of offense the pats run. The WCO was predicated on 50/50 pass/rush distribution by games end. Usually they would pass early to build a lead and then run the clock out in the second half. That was just their MO and it's the reason why Montana and Young never really had the huge hash numbers.

In fact of those 5 games for Joe, only 3 of them were in SF in the 85 and 86 seasons.

Originally posted by natediaz:

pats never asked brady to do any of this under weiss who implemented erhardt perkins system to pats. they started to realize they can abandon the run completely at any moments because of brady.

nobody wants to see their QB throwing 50 times because normally it results in L. but pats can get away with it because of the greatness of brady.

Originally posted by natediaz:

pats never really asked brady to do any of this under weiss who implemented erhardt perkins system to pats.

nobody wants to see their QB throwing 50 times because normally it results in L. but pats can because of the greatness of brady. think about this stat - brady completed 43 passes in SB 51. against my hawks? 37. montana never even attempted 40 passes in the SB. his high is 36.

this is a truly shocking stat to me. i'm not knocking montana. but brady is asked to do so much more.

Originally posted by Niners816:
Under Weis he had at 4 regular season games at 50 and 1 playoff game. They started to abandon the run when Belichek got chummy with mike leech and started running heavy doses of the Texas tech air raid offense staring in 2007. Also, let's not act like they are the only team to trust their QB....Brady has never led the league in attempts so other teams are throwing the ball more then NE.

Originally posted by Niners816:
Well he had a 20-0 led at the half in SB16, a 38-16 3rd quarter lead in SB19 and a 42-10 lead in SB24 when he left with 6 minutes to go in third. Maybe they should've let joe finish super bowl 24 so he could've put up 63-70 and throw 7 tds

In their post seasons careers, Brady on averages threw 7 more passes a game then Joe did. 39 for Tom and 32 for Joe.

Originally posted by natediaz:

wow that's even more surprising. i just checked bledsoe's stat. he never had 50 passes in 2000. so they trusted brady early yet people calls him a game manager.

Originally posted by natediaz:

which IMO is a big difference.

plenty of QBs threw 50+ times and lost. reality is that brady won 18 times. nobody came close to it. 4 is the next best. that's 14 game difference. i never seen a stat like this. drew brees throws all over the place in a pass happy system - throwing for 400+ yards all the time. but it seems like it's very very hard to win when a QB throws 50+ times. only guy who consistently won is brady.

Originally posted by Niners816:
Drew Bledsoe had 11 games (10 regular 1 playoff) under Ray Perkins (of erhardt-Perkins fame) when parcells was coaching NE. He attempted 70 pass in a game in his second year. So the E-P was also known to but the ball in the air.

Originally posted by Niners816:
Warren moon was 5-5 in games with 50+ passes in his run and shoot offense.

Originally posted by natediaz:

that's actually impressive considering he played in the 80's. moon is criminally underrated for sure. i think moon was the most underrated QB in his era like how brees is underrated

Originally posted by natediaz:

but just look at those records. manning, brees all pass happy system, yet they don't win much when they throw 50+ times. rivers is 1-5 too and he led the league in attempts few times i think.

Originally posted by Niners816:
It's just the nature of the WCO. They really started tracking advanced stats in 1994. So I'll use Steve Young '94 season as an example. In 1994, Steve attempted 461 passes (70% 3969 35-10 TD-int 112.8 rate). His first half attempts was 280, so he was on pace for 560 attempts. However, by the nature of the WCO he had 100 less attempts in the second half of games. This was just the way the niners did it.....pass to build the lead and then run on a tired defense.

Originally posted by Niners816:
Dan fouts was 3-2 with his air Coreyll offense.

Originally posted by natediaz:

steve young is 1-1. i remember that game when he threw 65 times against favre. that's a perfect example of why most QBs throw 50+ times and lose. they throw it so much because they are down by alot, can't run, and no explosive plays.

brady's 18-9 really is strangest outlier.