Do you guys see the trend?

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Problem is you should never draft a project in rd 1, and especially at 17, he should be ready to compete and help from day 1.

This draft is so confusing, I just don't get it.

I'm sure they drafted him with a particular role in mind for him as a rookie. At the very least he should be a part of the DL rotation right away. With Smith's uncertainty, Dockett's age/injury situation, Carradine's inexperience, Dial's lack of passrush prowess, etc. make me think situational interior pass rusher.

Originally posted by kray28:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by kray28:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by kray28:

I mean if they are tanking the next season, maybe Kap should ask for a trade right now before he gets killed. Sounds like he's being set up to fail by this s**t for brains front office.

Yeah I know right. Going out and getting him a legit deep threat WR, a good, versatile, game breaking RB he can dump the ball off to, drafting 2 highly touted OL and best RB in draft last year, going and grabbing another TE, RB and WR today...Setting him up to fail indeed.

Sorry, I don't live in this alternate reality you clearly inhabit.

So the FO didn't do any of those things i mentioned?

In this draft, no they did not. Last draft, they didn't either. Who's the "game breaking RB"? Hyde? Okay, I think the jury's still out on that. He broke no games last year though. Who's the "legit deep threat WR"? Baalke is still trying to find one of those. So far...no luck. OL? LMAO....last year's line had Kap running for dear life.

Lol. If you don't know the players they brought in I don't know what to tell you

Plan is: Slowly work the following players in on packages and develop for FT starters in 2016 when veterans depart (big, strong, fast and strong up the middle)

DE Arik Armstead - Will most likely play on pass rush downs to help free up Aldon/Lynch and replace Justin/McDonald next year
SS/ILB Jaquiski Tartt - Will be used in DIME/NICKEL packages on passing downs to push Bowman (knee) and Wilhoite (poor coverage) to the bench (strong in the middle) and replace Bethea next year
OLB Eli Harold - He's a big Aldon fan and he'll work in on pass rush downs and packages and work into the primary rotational pass rusher behind Aldon/Lynch
TE Blake Bell - Will be an instant RZ target and possibly more once VD moves on
RB Mike Davis - Excellent security behind Hyde and primary power back behind him
WR DeAndre Smelter - Rare to find a quality big-bodied X WR of this caliber and will compete next year as a starter after Boldin moves on
P/PK Bradley Pinion - Doubles as a P and PK and will take over for Lee next year or Dawson
T Ian Silberman - Replaces Pears next year as the primary swing-T

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Well, looking at the comments, i would like to join Go FD and OTC in their outlooks. Seems way premature to roast these guys before they ever set foot on the playing field. And did i ever hear of Jaquis, or have i ever followed armstead...or for that matter eli? No, no, and no.. But as NC has so nicely laid out above and in another thread, there is every lilkelihood that all 3 guys will be inserted in passing downs, (that is 2 out of every 3 downs for majority of teams) and that isn't a bad way to get them in and see what they can do. You have to be pretty biased against Trent and JT/ Jed to say this is a bust, or that we are giving up on this season. To the folks that just can't get over harbaw's passage, get over it. To those who have buried us prior to PS and even one play on the field...well, maybe, just maybe, your picks wouldn't have been as good as these. Overall we still need to add more at ILB, WR and Qb. OK, CB too if you want, but i like our back 7 right now.

Jeez, Armstead is 6' 8" and 290 and all he has to do is fall on a guy. I'm damn sure he can do a lot more than that. Jaquis ...hey we needed ILB who can be SS and we got him. Needed an OLB and we got Eli. Now maybe your draft board didn't look like that , but as you well know, F.O. has seen a lot more tape and actual play from these guys than anyone on the board.
Security at RB? OK, mike davis. TE and a good big target in Rz? ok, blake bell. P/K ? any of you really not worried by our fall off this yr, plus next yr Andy lee will want more then he is worth. No argument with the pick. i assume Trent knows something we may not know about current guys. OT? SILBERMAN. What the heck is wrong with that?

Now i will say that of the first 15 picks, had we drafted them all we would have a perfect draft. Obviously , there were 31 other teams that had a say in that, so we got what Trent and JT wanted. Fine by me. Not fine by me is picking these guys apart before anyone has seen what they can do. And don't forget , we got guys coming back from injury plus ellington, lynch, maybe patton who very well may find themselves starting this yr. So please, vent all you want. But for gosh sakes, before running trent and especially these new guys down, how about seeing what they can do on the field?

Originally posted by kray28:

Originally posted by NorthBay49er:
I believe it was matt barrows or matt maioco who said to his knowledge 49ers are drafting for 2016 playmakers. We already giving up on 2015 or are we better than i realize? Very heavy project draft so far. Can't say i currently love this draft.

Message to fans: we're blowing it up and tanking the upcoming season.

The best teams always think long term. Several times Bill Walsh traded away 2nd round picks for future 1st rounders that wouldn'y help you that year but would be better for the team long term.

We signed a vertical threat receiver in FA and Dockett. We picked up a redshirt WR Smelter to develope for the future in the late 4th round who would have went a lot sooner if he didn't have to redshirt. Armstead can play immediately and Tartt and Harold can rotate in as well. Blake Bell can rotate in as a receiving TE. Pinion will probably be our new starting punter and Silberman can compete for Iupati's vacant G spot or provide depth.

We also picked up extra 5th and 6th round picks for next year.

We are not tanking it.

This is not a project draft. Aside from redshirt Smelter everybody is ready to contribute. Are there rookies that might need to learn some things? Sure. So was Joe Montana. Navarro Bowman didn't start as a rookie. I guess he was a "project".

Originally posted by bigtony2tone:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Problem is you should never draft a project in rd 1, and especially at 17, he should be ready to compete and help from day 1.

This draft is so confusing, I just don't get it.

I'm sure they drafted him with a particular role in mind for him as a rookie. At the very least he should be a part of the DL rotation right away. With Smith's uncertainty, Dockett's age/injury situation, Carradine's inexperience, Dial's lack of passrush prowess, etc. make me think situational interior pass rusher.

I did not want us to draft Arik Armstead with the 15th pick.

The NFL.com draft tracker has with a grade of 6.5. According to their ranking system a player with 6.50 to 6.99 grade has a chance to become a Pro Bowl Caliber player. In their grading system, Arik Armstead was the 8th best prospect in this draft.

We drafted him with the 15th pick.

Maybe, he is a better prospect than I thought.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/tracker?icampaign=draft-sub_nav_bar-drafteventpage-tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-grade/dt-by-position-input:dl

Originally posted by jogr49:
I'm by no means an expert, but follow these drafts enough to know this is inevitable"raw" deal of a draft. Reaches, projects, raw.

Yeah - seems like Nolan is back in the house - remember all the projects they used to take that never panned out??

Way to go Buck....kid will be used this yr, and i bet a lot.

What most don't realize is that we still have a lot of talent on this team. Yes, there have been some huge losses, Borland in particular hurts because Willis has clearly been hobbled in the last few years and was not who he used to be. It would have been nice putting Borland next to Bowman. Justin Smith could also be a huge loss but we do have a lot of young guys on the DL who will need to play eventually. CBs have changed as well but our secondary has been pretty solid under Trent.

Honestly, we have a pretty good team. What I really want to see from this season is how Kap develops and how he plays on a team that has lost some talent but more importantly, leadership. We still have good starters at nearly all positions, if our QB plays at a top 10 level, many of the complaints will go away.

Originally posted by buck:
I did not want us to draft Arik Armstead with the 15th pick.

The NFL.com draft tracker has with a grade of 6.5. According to their ranking system a player with 6.50 to 6.99 grade has a chance to become a Pro Bowl Caliber player. In their grading system, Arik Armstead was the 8th best prospect in this draft.

We drafted him with the 15th pick.

Maybe, he is a better prospect than I thought.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/tracker?icampaign=draft-sub_nav_bar-drafteventpage-tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-grade/dt-by-position-input:dl

Yup. Armstead is a pretty polarizing player among these draft analysts. Some loved him, others didn't like him all too much. One thing is for sure, he has all the physical gifts and is a high character player.

After reading up on him a ton since we picked him, I think some critics may have misread his "effort" or "lack of desire" on the field. This kid has only recently committed to football on a full-time basis. He's still learning the techniques and how to diagnose plays. Also the criticisms for his lack of sack numbers are unfounded given his role in college. He is a prototype 3-4 DE. A 4 tech that will clog gaps and demand double teams, allowing the LBs to flow cleanly to the ball carriers. He did this very well in college, especially when healthy.

Plus, with a d-line guru in Tomsula coaching him up, there's a great chance he will succeed. He's a hard worker. He's not Kentwan Balmer. Balmer was fat and lazy. A mentally aloof player that didn't care at all, only motivated his senior year to improve his draft stock. After that, he didn't care. Armstead looks like he cares.

I guess if someone thinks Baalke's drafts stink, then I suppose that qualifies as a trend.

The main trend I see is drafting with a three-year window in mind.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Yeah I know right. Going out and getting him a legit deep threat WR, a good, versatile, game breaking RB he can dump the ball off to, drafting 2 highly touted OL and best RB in draft last year, going and grabbing another TE, RB and WR today...Setting him up to fail indeed.

A "legit deep threat WR"? You mean the 53rd ranked WR in the league last year? That got beat out by a 35 year old grandpa as the go to guy deep? If he can't shine with a gunslinger like Flacco, he AIN'T a legit ANYTHING!! Why didn't Baalke get these guys before? Why didn't he draft/acquire these type guys in the past when it mattered, as in when we had a legitimate chance to get a Lombardi Trophy #6?!?!?! Why did he bypass WRs last year in the DEEPEST WR CLASS of our generation? Legit WRs need to be drafted HIGH & not as an after thought. Here's a stat I posted last night about the top 10 leading WRs in the NFL in 2015:

5 were #1 picks, 2 were #2, 2 #3s, and 1 #6. Draft position MAKES A DIFFERENCE!!

Originally posted by kray28:
Watching the front office effectively sabotage last season...and this one by extension...just to correct that makes me think otherwise. The collateral damage of their inability to work amicably with Harbaugh will be huge. The worst is yet to come.

I don't think the problem is Harbaugh...the problem is the out of control hubris in this front office.

Don't worry..it will all be exposed in due time.

Jim Harbaugh seems like hubris incarnate.

Harbaugh had conflicts with at least Baalke, Marathe, and York in the front office. .

Those three bad men were just downright mean to poor little innocent Jimmy.











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Originally posted by SofaKing:
Yup. Armstead is a pretty polarizing player among these draft analysts. Some loved him, others didn't like him all too much. One thing is for sure, he has all the physical gifts and is a high character player.

After reading up on him a ton since we picked him, I think some critics may have misread his "effort" or "lack of desire" on the field. This kid has only recently committed to football on a full-time basis. He's still learning the techniques and how to diagnose plays. Also the criticisms for his lack of sack numbers are unfounded given his role in college. He is a prototype 3-4 DE. A 4 tech that will clog gaps and demand double teams, allowing the LBs to flow cleanly to the ball carriers. He did this very well in college, especially when healthy.

Plus, with a d-line guru in Tomsula coaching him up, there's a great chance he will succeed. He's a hard worker. He's not Kentwan Balmer. Balmer was fat and lazy. A mentally aloof player that didn't care at all, only motivated his senior year to improve his draft stock. After that, he didn't care. Armstead looks like he cares.

Yeah, but can he pass block for Kap next year, cover Brandon Marshall-type WRs or catch a pass in the redzone? If he can then it's a great pick because that's what the team needs help with. If he's just riding pine till 2016-2017 then its a wasted pick because he can't help this team win a Super Bowl this year because that IS THE ONLY GOAL according to York/Baalke! It's Super Bowl or Bust and this guy, even if he develops to a decent player, can't help with that right now.