Colin Kaepernick Thread

Colin Kaepernick only the 7th most-ripped QB
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/pete-prisco/25323101/rating-nfl-qbs-from-1-to-32-from-most-criticized-to-the-least

Originally posted by SofaKing:

#20 is closing in fast, Kap rushed his throw because of it.

I agree the best thing to do is step up in the pocket to try and evade him, but there is a high probability he is sacked if he holds the ball longer. People would then call him an idiot for not getting the ball out sooner.

Kap was a colossal failure in this game, but knowing he's been pressured more than any starting QB in the league, its hard to put it all at his feet.

People who have an agenda don't care to put things in perspective. Every QB in the game is affected when their OL plays like crap. They start rushing throws, getting happy feet in the pocket, sensing pressure that's not there and getting their mechanics all out of whack.

He's the most pressured QB in the league it's not easy to always be on point ignoring now bad the OL is playing

Anyone recall how Tom Brady looked vs KC last year on MNF? That was Tom Friggin Brady. How did he look vs the Giants in the SB?

Originally posted by leakyfausett:

He just has some very bad habits that he seems to be having trouble fixing or not able to change due to doing wrong for too long. He had enough talent in college that nobody cared that he had bad habits and mechanics. At the NFL level talent alone will not suffice. At Nevada he really did not have to make a lot of reads in the passing game and his mechanics were bad but he made up for it with his legs and the system they ran fit him well.

Man, it really seems like that first season and a half were a fluke. I only wonder how different things would have been for him had he made that pass in the Super Bowl and had he not have have those terrible last 5mins in that last Nfccg

Originally posted by genus49:
People who have an agenda don't care to put things in perspective. Every QB in the game is affected when their OL plays like crap. They start rushing throws, getting happy feet in the pocket, sensing pressure that's not there and getting their mechanics all out of whack.

He's the most pressured QB in the league it's not easy to always be on point ignoring now bad the OL is playing

Anyone recall how Tom Brady looked vs KC last year on MNF? That was Tom Friggin Brady. How did he look vs the Giants in the SB?

True!

Originally posted by Ike49:

Originally posted by leakyfausett:
He just has some very bad habits that he seems to be having trouble fixing or not able to change due to doing wrong for too long. He had enough talent in college that nobody cared that he had bad habits and mechanics. At the NFL level talent alone will not suffice. At Nevada he really did not have to make a lot of reads in the passing game and his mechanics were bad but he made up for it with his legs and the system they ran fit him well.

Man, it really seems like that first season and a half were a fluke. I only wonder how different things would have been for him had he made that pass in the Super Bowl and had he not have have those terrible last 5mins in that last Nfccg

Well just like Seattle last year it seemed as our coaches were trying to Make Kap the Hero when they should have given it to Frank.

He just had a bad game. I think we will see a much better Kap from here on.

This is like his rookie year for me. It is the first year he seems to try to apply fundamentals in progressions. Hardest part for him will be to incorporate footwork into those progressions. Dude has never done that before so there will be some ups and downs.

Originally posted by Marty:
Colin Kaepernick only the 7th most-ripped QB
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/pete-prisco/25323101/rating-nfl-qbs-from-1-to-32-from-most-criticized-to-the-least

Damn, I knew it would be hard to top Jay Cutler, not even for Kap. LOL.

a lot of people talking about kap like hes a rookie or in his second season

Originally posted by genus49:
People who have an agenda don't care to put things in perspective. Every QB in the game is affected when their OL plays like crap. They start rushing throws, getting happy feet in the pocket, sensing pressure that's not there and getting their mechanics all out of whack.

He's the most pressured QB in the league it's not easy to always be on point ignoring now bad the OL is playing

Anyone recall how Tom Brady looked vs KC last year on MNF? That was Tom Friggin Brady. How did he look vs the Giants in the SB?

The agenda is to win a SuperBowl. Kaepernick has been on the decline since 2013. It was obvious after the Green Bay game to start the 2013 season. From that point on, the Seattle and Colts games, it has been a series of inconsistent, inaccurate bad passing games mixed with a couple good ones. In 2014 Kaepernick was a large cause of 4 losses. The Bears, Seahawks, Rams and Raiders games. We went 8-8 because our passing game was no good, especially in the redzone. Overall his PFF score has been sharply declining each year, and there are reasons for that not to be blamed on Roman, Harbaugh and the O-line.

You San Fransisco Kaepernick fan's make excuse after excuse where as many of us have seen the writing on the wall since 2013. How many times do people have to go over the details? Part of the dynamics here, especially on this forum, is the San Fransisco Kaepernick fan's absolutely refuse to acknowledge his severe limitations in the passing game, how and why that impacts our overall passing game, offense and chances at a SB victory. When doing so, this very vocal group of Kaepernick fan's become verbally abusive, agressivly and passive aggressively. It's almost bizarre. It is bizarre. Any other player, or even coach, can and has been thrown under the bus. Crabtree, V Davis, Roman, Harbaugh, S Johnson, Lloyd...even Gore got the blame at times. Gore was running into 9-10 man fronts precisely because our passing game wasn't a threat. Hyde will face the same thing. Much of the criticism is more so focused at the people who deny all his issues. That bears repeating. Once blame stops being diverted to every player around Kap people won't have to brow beat you with criticisms.


Each year it's the same story- blame the o-line, blame the receivers, blame the coaches. Kaepernick fan's are ready to turn on Chryst already, not realizing, or not admitting that Chryst has to deal with the same issues Roman had to deal with. How to create a passing game catered to a QB with so many issues. What's happening right now in Buffalo? 100 points scored in 3 games. Tyrod Taylor just played perfect under pressure last week. All of the sudden he's an effective QB while our QB struggles with an even more simplified offense. Enough is enough. Kaepernick is the main issue with our passing game. He is not and never will be a true passing QB. We can't just craft an offense out of bootlegs, play action ,the RO and designed rollouts. At some point he's going to have to pass with anticipation, step up in the crumbling pocket and make the quick pass after quickly scanning the field.

2014 he had the third longest time to throw in the NFL and yet took 45 sacks over the 2.8 second mark! The o-line was fine in 2013 when he decline began, after the first Green bay game Kaepernick stank up the field for weeks. Harbaugh had to put him in a very conservative game manger role, and that's how you win with Kaepernick. You need a top defense and top running game with a good o-line. He is incapable of leading this team to a SB victory without a top 5 defense, top 5 running game and great o-line. The added issue is, he has in fact objectively regressed since 2012 in large part because the NFL has tape on him. They're prepared for his run threat, which, by the way, has also been declining. Last year people kept saying we need to run Kap more, he actually ran more in 2014, he just suffered a drastic reduction in yards per attempt. Contain the edges, put a spy on him and make him beat you from the pocket. More times than not he can't win passing the ball. Deep ball accuracy has declined, rushing yards have declined, accuracy from the pocket has declined, his TD to turnover ratio is worsening each year. It's not good. In 2014 he had 19 TD's and 15 turnovers. So far this year he has 2 TD's and 5 turnovers, one of the TD's in garbage time (or was it both?).

He'll have a game or two where quick lateral passes or very short passes pad his completion %, but as soon as we start passing down the field we see 55%-60% completion rates. Even lower at times. Passing deep he was down at 30% completion. The Dallas, first Rams and first Cards game in 2014 made his stats. Other than that it was pretty bad. In 2013 he had 10 games passing under 200 yards. One game at 113 yards and another at 91 yards. 91 yards on 22 attempts! Another game at 127 yards on 28 attempts with a 48% completion rate. Another with 150 yards on 27 attempts with a 48% completion rate. Turnovers in clutch moments, bad passes in clutch moments, fumbles etc. Leaving open men on the field is routine.

Yes he played well in 2012 but this isn't 2012. You guys are living on hype. Living on this "potential" we're told will manifest every year. It hasn't manifested. Kaepernick has been headed downward, not upwards and you people do your damndest to blame everyone around him then call people "fake fans" when they focus on Kaepernick!!! It's bizzaro world.

Originally posted by genus49:
People who have an agenda don't care to put things in perspective. Every QB in the game is affected when their OL plays like crap. They start rushing throws, getting happy feet in the pocket, sensing pressure that's not there and getting their mechanics all out of whack.

He's the most pressured QB in the league it's not easy to always be on point ignoring now bad the OL is playing

Anyone recall how Tom Brady looked vs KC last year on MNF? That was Tom Friggin Brady. How did he look vs the Giants in the SB?

LOL. Tom Brady is the best QB in the league with 4 Super Bowls because he can pass in the pocket. Comparing him to Kap is absolutely absurd in every sense.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by JiksJuicy:

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by JiksJuicy:

Step up, evade pressure, set your feet, make the throw.

It's just that easy! Just do it.

It's basic QBing

#20 is closing in fast, Kap rushed his throw because of it.

I agree the best thing to do is step up in the pocket to try and evade him, but there is a high probability he is sacked if he holds the ball longer. People would then call him an idiot for not getting the ball out sooner.

Kap was a colossal failure in this game, but knowing he's been pressured more than any starting QB in the league, its hard to put it all at his feet.

He was worried about hitting the official in the head.

The way it was going for Kaep, he was just glad it wasn't a pick 6 by the official.

Originally posted by Phil-2:

Originally posted by genus49:
People who have an agenda don't care to put things in perspective. Every QB in the game is affected when their OL plays like crap. They start rushing throws, getting happy feet in the pocket, sensing pressure that's not there and getting their mechanics all out of whack.

He's the most pressured QB in the league it's not easy to always be on point ignoring now bad the OL is playing

Anyone recall how Tom Brady looked vs KC last year on MNF? That was Tom Friggin Brady. How did he look vs the Giants in the SB?

The agenda is to win a SuperBowl. Kaepernick has been on the decline since 2013. It was obvious after the Green Bay game to start the 2013 season. From that point on, the Seattle and Colts games, it has been a series of inconsistent, inaccurate bad passing games mixed with a couple good ones. In 2014 Kaepernick was a large cause of 4 losses. The Bears, Seahawks, Rams and Raiders games. We went 8-8 because our passing game was no good, especially in the redzone. Overall his PFF score has been sharply declining each year, and there are reasons for that not to be blamed on Roman, Harbaugh and the O-line.

You San Fransisco Kaepernick fan's make excuse after excuse where as many of us have seen the writing on the wall since 2013. How many times do people have to go over the details? Part of the dynamics here, especially on this forum, is the San Fransisco Kaepernick fan's absolutely refuse to acknowledge his severe limitations in the passing game, how and why that impacts our overall passing game, offense and chances at a SB victory. When doing so, this very vocal group of Kaepernick fan's become verbally abusive, agressivly and passive aggressively. It's almost bizarre. It is bizarre. Any other player, or even coach, can and has been thrown under the bus. Crabtree, V Davis, Roman, Harbaugh, S Johnson, Lloyd...even Gore got the blame at times. Gore was running into 9-10 man fronts precisely because our passing game wasn't a threat. Hyde will face the same thing. Much of the criticism is more so focused at the people who deny all his issues. That bears repeating. Once blame stops being diverted to every player around Kap people won't have to brow beat you with criticisms.


Each year it's the same story- blame the o-line, blame the receivers, blame the coaches. Kaepernick fan's are ready to turn on Chryst already, not realizing, or not admitting that Chryst has to deal with the same issues Roman had to deal with. How to create a passing game catered to a QB with so many issues. What's happening right now in Buffalo? 100 points scored in 3 games. Tyrod Taylor just played perfect under pressure last week. All of the sudden he's an effective QB while our QB struggles with an even more simplified offense. Enough is enough. Kaepernick is the main issue with our passing game. He is not and never will be a true passing QB. We can't just craft an offense out of bootlegs, play action ,the RO and designed rollouts. At some point he's going to have to pass with anticipation, step up in the crumbling pocket and make the quick pass after quickly scanning the field.

2014 he had the third longest time to throw in the NFL and yet took 45 sacks over the 2.8 second mark! The o-line was fine in 2013 when he decline began, after the first Green bay game Kaepernick stank up the field for weeks. Harbaugh had to put him in a very conservative game manger role, and that's how you win with Kaepernick. You need a top defense and top running game with a good o-line. He is incapable of leading this team to a SB victory without a top 5 defense, top 5 running game and great o-line. The added issue is, he has in fact objectively regressed since 2012 in large part because the NFL has tape on him. They're prepared for his run threat, which, by the way, has also been declining. Last year people kept saying we need to run Kap more, he actually ran more in 2014, he just suffered a drastic reduction in yards per attempt. Contain the edges, put a spy on him and make him beat you from the pocket. More times than not he can't win passing the ball. Deep ball accuracy has declined, rushing yards have declined, accuracy from the pocket has declined, his TD to turnover ratio is worsening each year. It's not good. In 2014 he had 19 TD's and 15 turnovers. So far this year he has 2 TD's and 5 turnovers, one of the TD's in garbage time (or was it both?).

He'll have a game or two where quick lateral passes or very short passes pad his completion %, but as soon as we start passing down the field we see 55%-60% completion rates. Even lower at times. Passing deep he was down at 30% completion. The Dallas, first Rams and first Cards game in 2014 made his stats. Other than that it was pretty bad. In 2013 he had 10 games passing under 200 yards. One game at 113 yards and another at 91 yards. 91 yards on 22 attempts! Another game at 127 yards on 28 attempts with a 48% completion rate. Another with 150 yards on 27 attempts with a 48% completion rate. Turnovers in clutch moments, bad passes in clutch moments, fumbles etc. Leaving open men on the field is routine.

Yes he played well in 2012 but this isn't 2012. You guys are living on hype. Living on this "potential" we're told will manifest every year. It hasn't manifested. Kaepernick has been headed downward, not upwards and you people do your damndest to blame everyone around him then call people "fake fans" when they focus on Kaepernick!!! It's bizzaro world.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Originally posted by Stud:

Originally posted by Phil-2:

Originally posted by genus49:
People who have an agenda don't care to put things in perspective. Every QB in the game is affected when their OL plays like crap. They start rushing throws, getting happy feet in the pocket, sensing pressure that's not there and getting their mechanics all out of whack.

He's the most pressured QB in the league it's not easy to always be on point ignoring now bad the OL is playing

Anyone recall how Tom Brady looked vs KC last year on MNF? That was Tom Friggin Brady. How did he look vs the Giants in the SB?

The agenda is to win a SuperBowl. Kaepernick has been on the decline since 2013. It was obvious after the Green Bay game to start the 2013 season. From that point on, the Seattle and Colts games, it has been a series of inconsistent, inaccurate bad passing games mixed with a couple good ones. In 2014 Kaepernick was a large cause of 4 losses. The Bears, Seahawks, Rams and Raiders games. We went 8-8 because our passing game was no good, especially in the redzone. Overall his PFF score has been sharply declining each year, and there are reasons for that not to be blamed on Roman, Harbaugh and the O-line.

You San Fransisco Kaepernick fan's make excuse after excuse where as many of us have seen the writing on the wall since 2013. How many times do people have to go over the details? Part of the dynamics here, especially on this forum, is the San Fransisco Kaepernick fan's absolutely refuse to acknowledge his severe limitations in the passing game, how and why that impacts our overall passing game, offense and chances at a SB victory. When doing so, this very vocal group of Kaepernick fan's become verbally abusive, agressivly and passive aggressively. It's almost bizarre. It is bizarre. Any other player, or even coach, can and has been thrown under the bus. Crabtree, V Davis, Roman, Harbaugh, S Johnson, Lloyd...even Gore got the blame at times. Gore was running into 9-10 man fronts precisely because our passing game wasn't a threat. Hyde will face the same thing. Much of the criticism is more so focused at the people who deny all his issues. That bears repeating. Once blame stops being diverted to every player around Kap people won't have to brow beat you with criticisms.


Each year it's the same story- blame the o-line, blame the receivers, blame the coaches. Kaepernick fan's are ready to turn on Chryst already, not realizing, or not admitting that Chryst has to deal with the same issues Roman had to deal with. How to create a passing game catered to a QB with so many issues. What's happening right now in Buffalo? 100 points scored in 3 games. Tyrod Taylor just played perfect under pressure last week. All of the sudden he's an effective QB while our QB struggles with an even more simplified offense. Enough is enough. Kaepernick is the main issue with our passing game. He is not and never will be a true passing QB. We can't just craft an offense out of bootlegs, play action ,the RO and designed rollouts. At some point he's going to have to pass with anticipation, step up in the crumbling pocket and make the quick pass after quickly scanning the field.

2014 he had the third longest time to throw in the NFL and yet took 45 sacks over the 2.8 second mark! The o-line was fine in 2013 when he decline began, after the first Green bay game Kaepernick stank up the field for weeks. Harbaugh had to put him in a very conservative game manger role, and that's how you win with Kaepernick. You need a top defense and top running game with a good o-line. He is incapable of leading this team to a SB victory without a top 5 defense, top 5 running game and great o-line. The added issue is, he has in fact objectively regressed since 2012 in large part because the NFL has tape on him. They're prepared for his run threat, which, by the way, has also been declining. Last year people kept saying we need to run Kap more, he actually ran more in 2014, he just suffered a drastic reduction in yards per attempt. Contain the edges, put a spy on him and make him beat you from the pocket. More times than not he can't win passing the ball. Deep ball accuracy has declined, rushing yards have declined, accuracy from the pocket has declined, his TD to turnover ratio is worsening each year. It's not good. In 2014 he had 19 TD's and 15 turnovers. So far this year he has 2 TD's and 5 turnovers, one of the TD's in garbage time (or was it both?).

He'll have a game or two where quick lateral passes or very short passes pad his completion %, but as soon as we start passing down the field we see 55%-60% completion rates. Even lower at times. Passing deep he was down at 30% completion. The Dallas, first Rams and first Cards game in 2014 made his stats. Other than that it was pretty bad. In 2013 he had 10 games passing under 200 yards. One game at 113 yards and another at 91 yards. 91 yards on 22 attempts! Another game at 127 yards on 28 attempts with a 48% completion rate. Another with 150 yards on 27 attempts with a 48% completion rate. Turnovers in clutch moments, bad passes in clutch moments, fumbles etc. Leaving open men on the field is routine.

Yes he played well in 2012 but this isn't 2012. You guys are living on hype. Living on this "potential" we're told will manifest every year. It hasn't manifested. Kaepernick has been headed downward, not upwards and you people do your damndest to blame everyone around him then call people "fake fans" when they focus on Kaepernick!!! It's bizzaro world.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

100% spot on! !

So even if we draft o-line in the first round and somehow build a top 5 defense in 2016 we still have to have a passing game. People think Kaepernick will just magically revert back to 2012 form, when defenses weren't prepared, when we had Harbaugh game planning- when his run threat was more viable. Like it or not he was a great coach who knew how to use Kaepernick. Jim Harbaugh was a winner. He is a winner. A new head coach isn't even going to want to deal with Kaepernicks limitations, unless he's promoted from within, like Tomsula.

Why did we do that? Probably because other coaches wanted to install a more complex offense with an OC who will open up the playbook, not simplify the playbook. Kaepernick can't run a more complex passing offense- "we're not built like that" Tomsula says. Tomsula is delusional if he thinks we have the same defense and the same run blocking O-line to carry Kaepernick. We can't even run the ball without 3 TE sets. Kap the passer has to happen if this team is to win more than 6 games. Just run Hyde into 9 man fronts with 3 TE sets and all will be fine? No, not when your defense gives up 25+ points. What will Tomsula do? He'll run the ball down 30 points! Ya, that shows confidence in your QB. Actions speak louder than words and our actions should have been passing in the first half against the Steelers down by 30. That's another topic but it's related. "We're not built like that". Quote of the friggin day. No, we're not built to pass the ball because we don't have a QB who can do it with any sort of consistency. We're built to lose and lose is what we will do while Jed swims in piles of cash at his new stadium.

At least Trent or whoever did one thing right, Kaepernicks contract is a life saver, a life preserver in a raging storm 9pun intended). I have a feeling the deescalators wont be the only thing kicking in at the end of 2015, Kaepernick will likely be traded if building a long term winning tradition is the goal. Winning with class? Ask the people of Houston how they feel about that. #7storms blunders arent limited to the field of play.

Originally posted by Stud:

Originally posted by genus49:
People who have an agenda don't care to put things in perspective. Every QB in the game is affected when their OL plays like crap. They start rushing throws, getting happy feet in the pocket, sensing pressure that's not there and getting their mechanics all out of whack.

He's the most pressured QB in the league it's not easy to always be on point ignoring now bad the OL is playing

Anyone recall how Tom Brady looked vs KC last year on MNF? That was Tom Friggin Brady. How did he look vs the Giants in the SB?

LOL. Tom Brady is the best QB in the league with 4 Super Bowls because he can pass in the pocket. Comparing him to Kap is absolutely absurd in every sense.

He's not comparing him to Brady. He's pointing out instances where even Brady struggled under heavy pressure.

There is a direct correlation between getting pressured, and QB performance. Here is some statistical evidence for you, I will use Brady as an example.

Tom Brady QB rating with pressure v. no pressure

2014
No pressure -- 112.7
Pressure -- 55.5

2013
No pressure -- 96.3
Pressure -- 64.0

2012
No pressure -- 108.0
Pressure -- 55.8

2011
No pressure -- 110.6
Pressure -- 84.7

2010
No pressure -- 117.8
Pressure -- 84.5

2009
No pressure -- 102.9
Pressure -- 59.8

2008
No pressure -- 90.6
Pressure -- 66.0

2007
No pressure -- 124.3
Pressure -- 83.7

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Over the course of 8 seasons, on average Brady's QB rating dropped by a whopping 38.5 points while under pressure. 5 out of 8 seasons his QB rating was in the 60s and 50s while pressured. And that's one of the greatest QBs ever. So if he gets effected by pressure, damn near everyone does.

It's not a comparison to Kap. It's pointing out the very clear and indisputable fact that pressure severely hurts a QBs performance.