Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by Phil-2:

Originally posted by cciowa:
people have said the packers are going to kill us every time we have played them going back to the early regular season game in 2011 when alex was our starter. that type of wishing and hoping from people, the media and joe buck and troy aikman, continued right into the playoff games as well. should be used to being the under dog when we play them

Ya well, this isn't 2013. A lot has changed. Kaepernicks regression started after the 2013 GB game. He had a great rushing game in the 2013 playoffs against GB, 50% completion passing but ran very well. He may have some god runs on Sunday but Green bay has plenty of film on him now and will likely force him to throw outside the numbers whilst taking away running lanes around the edges. They just terrorized A Smith Monday. Not a good sign with our struggling O-line. Will Kap get rid of the ball quickly? If so, how is he going to look for running lanes? You see the problem here?

other than the fact you totally ignored my point which is people have always told us the packers would kill us so being a under dog is not big deal to me. oh and his so called regression some of you guys love to talk about may have had to do with the fact he got no coaching from the head coach last year, nor did anyone else in my opinion,, when you have a coach who has given up and is coaching with no sense of urgency that happens. plus his pass protection was s**tty just like its been with this team since 2011 and on top of that you had one of your main weapons in vernon who was out to lunch all last year and then you had miss lloyd/miss crabtree as your other weapons. talk about problems

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by Geeked:

Crake, have you noticed most of the Kaep detractors' input is noticeably absent form the o-line critique discussions?

I have

Yep. Me too.

It's not like I'm ever arguing that Kaepernick is playing well or something. I agree that he's playing poorly. But to ignore the o-line dynamic here is just strange.

Honestly, O-Line is probably the most complicated part of the game. It's better to have a line that works as a team than one or two world talents up there. Most fans from my experience have a difficult time spending effort to analyze this major function. On a side note. Are there any bad team lbs with good lines???? Are there any bad QB's with good lines?

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by Geeked:
Crake, have you noticed most of the Kaep detractors' input is noticeably absent form the o-line critique discussions?

I have

Yep. Me too.

It's not like I'm ever arguing that Kaepernick is playing well or something. I agree that he's playing poorly. But to ignore the o-line dynamic here is just strange.

there are also some people who amazingly enough blame ck for the bad o line play

Originally posted by AKfanster:
http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/cosell-kaps-ability-run-fast-straight-line-doesnt-matter

Yep great Athlete but I still do not think he will ever be a Franchise QB.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by Geeked:
Crake, have you noticed most of the Kaep detractors' input is noticeably absent form the o-line critique discussions?

I have

Yep. Me too.

It's not like I'm ever arguing that Kaepernick is playing well or something. I agree that he's playing poorly. But to ignore the o-line dynamic here is just strange.

there are also some people who amazingly enough blame ck for the bad o line play

Oh the o-line sucks for sure but the really good QB's are able to get rid of the ball quick. So either Kap doesn't see those or we do not have them in our playbook. (doubtful) So yes the Qb on any team can make the line look somewhat better or worse than they are.

Originally posted by leakyfausett:

Originally posted by AKfanster:
http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/cosell-kaps-ability-run-fast-straight-line-doesnt-matter

Yep great Athlete but I still do not think he will ever be a Franchise QB.

kinda of in the same category as Vernon Davis...fast line speed but lacks the wiggle...

Originally posted by cciowa:
other than the fact you totally ignored my point which is people have always told us the packers would kill us so being a under dog is not big deal to me. oh and his so called regression some of you guys love to talk about may have had to do with the fact he got no coaching from the head coach last year, nor did anyone else in my opinion,, when you have a coach who has given up and is coaching with no sense of urgency that happens. plus his pass protection was s**tty just like its been with this team since 2011 and on top of that you had one of your main weapons in vernon who was out to lunch all last year and then you had miss lloyd/miss crabtree as your other weapons. talk about problems

On the other hand did you ever consider that the problem might be more related to coaching this year, or the scheme, or team chemistry and capability?

Considering that the execution of the 49ers has been horrid this year, far worse then last year. Yet the coach that you indicate did no coaching last year has taken over a college team that was not expected to be good this year, has them at 3 and 1, just demolished a ranked team whose coach just referred to Michigan as the best executing team that he has seen.

If you look at the stats last year there is a clear difference in Kap's stats between the first 8 games and the last 8. The difference between those two periods just happens to coincide with Martin taking over at center due to injury. The same center that he has today. Considering the role the center has in setting up blocking assignments and the overall play of the offensive line, it is certainly interesting.

First 8 before Martin
Number of passing touchdowns 11
Number of interceptions 5
Yards Passing 1956


Last 8 with Martin
Number of passing touchdowns 7
Number of interceptions 5
Yards Passing 1413

Originally posted by cciowa:
other than the fact you totally ignored my point which is people have always told us the packers would kill us so being a under dog is not big deal to me. oh and his so called regression some of you guys love to talk about may have had to do with the fact he got no coaching from the head coach last year, nor did anyone else in my opinion,, when you have a coach who has given up and is coaching with no sense of urgency that happens. plus his pass protection was s**tty just like its been with this team since 2011 and on top of that you had one of your main weapons in vernon who was out to lunch all last year and then you had miss lloyd/miss crabtree as your other weapons. talk about problems

Here we go, Kaepernick never had a coach. This is pure hogwash.

Kapernick needs to improve but the bashing he gets for playing as worse or even a little better than a player like Luck is ridiculous. But that's more of PR saavy that Kap does not have or refuses to use.

Originally posted by AKfanster:
http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/cosell-kaps-ability-run-fast-straight-line-doesnt-matter

To go with Cosell's article. A draft report from 2011, reads like it was written yesterday:

http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports/columnists/hyde/blog/2011/03/draft_winds.html

Originally posted by leakyfausett:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by Geeked:
Crake, have you noticed most of the Kaep detractors' input is noticeably absent form the o-line critique discussions?

I have

Yep. Me too.

It's not like I'm ever arguing that Kaepernick is playing well or something. I agree that he's playing poorly. But to ignore the o-line dynamic here is just strange.

there are also some people who amazingly enough blame ck for the bad o line play

Oh the o-line sucks for sure but the really good QB's are able to get rid of the ball quick. So either Kap doesn't see those or we do not have them in our playbook. (doubtful) So yes the Qb on any team can make the line look somewhat better or worse than they are.

Not just that, but Kap panics when the pocket collapses, and usually tries to make something out of nothing and either takes a bigger sack for a loss or fumbles instead of just going down and taking a sack where he is or throwing the ball out of bounds. I don't think his IQ is as high as a passer as it should be. But whatever, it's the O-lines fault.

Originally posted by Joecool:
Kapernick needs to improve but the bashing he gets for playing as worse or even a little better than a player like Luck is ridiculous. But that's more of PR saavy that Kap does not have or refuses to use.

He's not a prolific passer like Luck. He just isn't. Kaepernick has won in the playoffs with his legs. He has had about 4 good/great passing games in his career. His run threat, yards per attempt, have been steadily declining and the fact he's looking for running lanes impacts the passing game. It also generates sacks. As is the case with all running QB's.

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by wailers15:

Lol the best part is the line looked fine there given the blitz package

during the game it looked like the line completely whiffed on the first pick 6 but no, kap completed his drop just fine and didn't pull the trigger.. until it was too late

This is very easy to sack for kap. U know what?! Arizona Cardinals defense was not a great and nope any pro bowl. They called trick defense to sack for kap. And they know how tricks for defense playbook. Very easy to defense know how sack for quarterback. Watch replay this highlight then u will get that clear it

Originally posted by Orange01Purple:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by wailers15:

Lol the best part is the line looked fine there given the blitz package

during the game it looked like the line completely whiffed on the first pick 6 but no, kap completed his drop just fine and didn't pull the trigger.. until it was too late

This is very easy to sack for kap. U know what?! Arizona Cardinals defense was not a great and nope any pro bowl. They called trick defense to sack for kap. And they know how tricks for defense playbook. Very easy to defense know how sack for quarterback. Watch replay this highlight then u will get that clear it

49ers O-Line were not fault cuz they know tricks defense and find easy to sack for kap.. I can see it clear.. very very easy!!

Originally posted by Orange01Purple:
49ers O-Line were not fault cuz they know tricks defense and find easy to sack for kap.. I can see it clear.. very very easy!!

Originally posted by Orange01Purple:
This is very easy to sack for kap. U know what?! Arizona Cardinals defense was not a great and nope any pro bowl. They called trick defense to sack for kap. And they know how tricks for defense playbook. Very easy to defense know how sack for quarterback. Watch replay this highlight then u will get that clear it

Buzz is that you?