Colin Kaepernick Thread

did u guys hear "the honeybadger" and his 2nd interview....HE'S LAUGHING AT KAP.....YOU KNOW KAP HEARD THAT
IF THAT DOESNT MOTIVATE HIM TO DO BETTER..THEN WE HAVE A BIG PROBLEM

I THINK KAP WILL BOUNCE BACK....WE MUST WIN THIS GAME

Originally posted by Joecool:
After seeing the tape on the second INT, it still shows that it was Kap's fault, but it is also showing something else. It is showing that Kap is really trying to go through his progressions as taught.

Fellas, this kid is trying to apply the things he learned. But as we all do when we learn something new, we apply it literally rather than finding our own comfort zone and incorporating it to our own movements and tendencies in order to specialize the technique for our own body.

He still needs to improve his actions at the top of his drop. He needs to understand that if the ball is not released at that spot, he must be disciplined with his footwork and use a proper base to move around and help his OL improve their blocking position from his own shifting. This is how QB's like Rodgers and Ben turn what could be a collapsed pocket into a comfortable pocket.

I'm just not too high on his desire to stick with it and trust what he is taught. He seems like he is very stubborn and will not change his bad habits but we will see. I could be wrong.

Hell, maybe his eyes are too close together so it takes him longer to read things.

Great points Joe. The whole team is in the learning process and it's painful to watch, but necessary. The question is..."Will they learn quickly enough to make a good showing this year?"

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by Joecool:

After seeing the tape on the second INT, it still shows that it was Kap's fault, but it is also showing something else. It is showing that Kap is really trying to go through his progressions as taught.

Fellas, this kid is trying to apply the things he learned. But as we all do when we learn something new, we apply it literally rather than finding our own comfort zone and incorporating it to our own movements and tendencies in order to specialize the technique for our own body.

He still needs to improve his actions at the top of his drop. He needs to understand that if the ball is not released at that spot, he must be disciplined with his footwork and use a proper base to move around and help his OL improve their blocking position from his own shifting. This is how QB's like Rodgers and Ben turn what could be a collapsed pocket into a comfortable pocket.

I'm just not too high on his desire to stick with it and trust what he is taught. He seems like he is very stubborn and will not change his bad habits but we will see. I could be wrong.

Hell, maybe his eyes are too close together so it takes him longer to read things.

Great points Joe. The whole team is in the learning process and it's painful to watch, but necessary. The question is..."Will they learn quickly enough to make a good showing this year?"

What's crazy about it, is this is concepts he's executed in the past.
This is the concept on the second pick. Known as a sucker concept, the key is the defense of the curl. If the defender takes the curl you throw the skinny, if the curl is provided cushion you take the curl.

Here is kap actually completing the harder throw in this concept vs the Giants last year


Noted: diagram and gif created by Thl.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by Joecool:
After seeing the tape on the second INT, it still shows that it was Kap's fault, but it is also showing something else. It is showing that Kap is really trying to go through his progressions as taught.

Fellas, this kid is trying to apply the things he learned. But as we all do when we learn something new, we apply it literally rather than finding our own comfort zone and incorporating it to our own movements and tendencies in order to specialize the technique for our own body.

He still needs to improve his actions at the top of his drop. He needs to understand that if the ball is not released at that spot, he must be disciplined with his footwork and use a proper base to move around and help his OL improve their blocking position from his own shifting. This is how QB's like Rodgers and Ben turn what could be a collapsed pocket into a comfortable pocket.

I'm just not too high on his desire to stick with it and trust what he is taught. He seems like he is very stubborn and will not change his bad habits but we will see. I could be wrong.

Hell, maybe his eyes are too close together so it takes him longer to read things.

Great points Joe. The whole team is in the learning process and it's painful to watch, but necessary. The question is..."Will they learn quickly enough to make a good showing this year?"

Honestly, I can't stand Mangini's defense but I am willing to give his complicated s**t time. If a player like Bowman is also messing up on assignments, then it is obvious that they are still learning and it can't all be pointed at Mangini. There's a reason why Walsh's early teams got blown out and it's because his system wasn't easy...but when the player's finally got it, the complicated system soared.

Just hope the HC and front office are patient and let the players try to learn and gel. The defense already took step in the right direction in improvement. Week 2, they realized they should have been more aware of the offensive personnel in their coverage. Week 3, they made the adjustment, but as people do when they learn new things, they over correct. Eventually, they will find their sweet spots and make things look covered. Kap is doing the same thing. He's going through his progressions to a fault and it's keeping him in the pocket too long and not shifting.

IMO it is way too early to think about moving on from Kap. Is there a better alternative out there right now? Stay with Kap and allow him to continue to develop.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by Joecool:
After seeing the tape on the second INT, it still shows that it was Kap's fault, but it is also showing something else. It is showing that Kap is really trying to go through his progressions as taught.

Fellas, this kid is trying to apply the things he learned. But as we all do when we learn something new, we apply it literally rather than finding our own comfort zone and incorporating it to our own movements and tendencies in order to specialize the technique for our own body.

He still needs to improve his actions at the top of his drop. He needs to understand that if the ball is not released at that spot, he must be disciplined with his footwork and use a proper base to move around and help his OL improve their blocking position from his own shifting. This is how QB's like Rodgers and Ben turn what could be a collapsed pocket into a comfortable pocket.

I'm just not too high on his desire to stick with it and trust what he is taught. He seems like he is very stubborn and will not change his bad habits but we will see. I could be wrong.

Hell, maybe his eyes are too close together so it takes him longer to read things.

Great points Joe. The whole team is in the learning process and it's painful to watch, but necessary. The question is..."Will they learn quickly enough to make a good showing this year?"

Here is kap actually completing the harder throw in this concept vs the Giants last year


Noted: diagram and gif created by Thl.

Which is why he was looking for the same thing. But NYG had cover 2 with FS over the top. ARI was playing it a little differently with only a 2-player zone on the right. This is where he needs to have better presnap reads. He should not have even looked at Vernon since there was a S helping.

He's still learning and won't get it down until he fails or has success on this play multiple types of coverage, i.e., experience.

I still believe in kap, you'll just have to let him play the way he plays. I mean look at RG3, dude was killing teams before they turned him into a pocket qb. Look at Russell Wilson, he still manage to make some plays the way he plays but if he plays pocket qb then he isn't going to last either. These are the new era of qb and there is no point of forcing them to be Brady or manning.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by Joecool:
After seeing the tape on the second INT, it still shows that it was Kap's fault, but it is also showing something else. It is showing that Kap is really trying to go through his progressions as taught.

Fellas, this kid is trying to apply the things he learned. But as we all do when we learn something new, we apply it literally rather than finding our own comfort zone and incorporating it to our own movements and tendencies in order to specialize the technique for our own body.

He still needs to improve his actions at the top of his drop. He needs to understand that if the ball is not released at that spot, he must be disciplined with his footwork and use a proper base to move around and help his OL improve their blocking position from his own shifting. This is how QB's like Rodgers and Ben turn what could be a collapsed pocket into a comfortable pocket.

I'm just not too high on his desire to stick with it and trust what he is taught. He seems like he is very stubborn and will not change his bad habits but we will see. I could be wrong.

Hell, maybe his eyes are too close together so it takes him longer to read things.

Great points Joe. The whole team is in the learning process and it's painful to watch, but necessary. The question is..."Will they learn quickly enough to make a good showing this year?"

Agree

I also think our OLine is a major part of the problem.

They can't open holes for the run game which would help the pass game.

And their pass protection is abysmal.

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Agree

I also think our OLine is a major part of the problem.

They can't open holes for the run game which would help the pass game.

And their pass protection is abysmal.

I don't know. Almost every team in the league has OL issues. Rodgers' OL have always been pretty bad but he moves himself to make the angles for his OL easier vs the defensive player they are blocking. This is where Kap should be using the OL vs DL 1-on-1 drills by practicing moving in a radius around that OL's back. If the DL gets leverage inside, then Kap needs to shift outside to give the OL the advantage again.

A lot of things to apply but we can't apply them all at once. That's how a player loses himself like Kap did. That's why I think he should have ONLY worked on improving his short ball and footwork on the short ball rather than trying to improve all of his throws.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Which is why he was looking for the same thing. But NYG had cover 2 with FS over the top. ARI was playing it a little differently with only a 2-player zone on the right. This is where he needs to have better presnap reads. He should not have even looked at Vernon since there was a S helping.

He's still learning and won't get it down until he fails or has success on this play multiple types of coverage, i.e., experience.

I agree....it's a process and unfortunately there's no magical way to rush it.

The O-line is not the problem. It never has been the problem. It wasn't the problem in the Cards game, it wasn't the problem in the first half of the Steelers game, it wasn't the problem when Kap had time to throw deep to T Smith in the pre-seasopn and missed (a larger issue going back to Nevada, inaccurate inconsistent deep balls), wasn't the problem in 2014 when Kap actually had 2.96 seconds to throw on average, third most time in the NFL. He was ranked around 25th as far as time to pass. Took over 3 seconds often. That's why he took so many sacks last year. With this struggling right side in 2015 he will take even more. Good QB's mask issues with the o-line. Kaepernick is not a good passing QB. He's a great runner. Excellent runner, but that comes with a price tag.

He takes sacks because it takes him so long to get rid of the ball and he doesn't often step up in the pocket and take the hit. He's looking for running lanes. He's always looking to leave the pocket even without pressure. Against the Vikings he kept his eyes downfield a little more before running BUT he actually left the pocket unnecessarily often. Ya, he looked around behind the line a couple times, Dilfer nearly wet himself. Dilfer's situation is quite odd, but that's another topic. He doesn't naturally know how to stay in the pocket and go through progressions nor quickly scan the field and find the open man. He just can't take the snap from under center and look right/left in 1.5 seconds then fire the ball around or under 2.5 with any sort of consistency. He's often up around 3.2 seconds. We can't just run a bunch of bootlegs, rollouts etc every passing down. Yes, he's great throwing on the run but it takes away half the field and is usually to the right side. Our offense becomes too predictable. Way way too simple for the NFL. Kaepernick is going to have to learn to stay in a crumbling pocket, how to quickly go through progressions and take the hit as he's passing. He will have to sacrifice the top level run threat. He'll have to stop looking for running lanes. You can't just "let Kap be Kap". If that's the case we may as well run Nevada's offense. We'd get creamed.

The o-line was fine in 2013 when Kap's regression began (after the NFL adjusted). It played much better in 2014 than Kaepernick fans are willing to admit. Kaepernick fans blaming Roman all season long, then blaming Harbaugh after he was fired, blaming Crabtree, V Davis etc have no more excuses, unless they want to turn on Tomsula and Chryst already (so the O-line will be the go to excuse). Yes Pears is horrible, yes our right side is leaky. Good to great QB's deal with it and get rid of the ball quick when need be and take advantage mid/deep when the opportunity arises. Like garbage time against the Steelers. Why didn't any of that happen in the first half when the actual game was on the line?

On most of those turnovers against the Card's the O-line gave Kap a pocket. The Vikings game they played OK and he only had 165 yards passing. Hyde was phenomenal but we can't run 3 TE sets every down all season long. First half of the Steelers game there were opportunities. A 17 play drive in the first half and 18 play drive in the second netted just three points. Opportunities were there. Kaepernick cannot convert when it matters. This is nothing new. Last season his TD to turnover ratio was 19 TD's to 15 turnovers. Thus far this year it's 2 TD's 5 turnovers. A game winning TD drive? How many?

Originally posted by Rascal:
I remember Phil and I had always agreed with him on Kap.

As for the pounding, folks like us just need to stay strong and basically pound back. I have taken my fair share of pounding here, but by now the homers also know I don't take sh*t from noone and I pound back. I even get banned from time to time, but I will always pound the fxxk back. You can't let these homers push you around. Our views are genuine reflections of what is actually happening and not because we have to compliment on everything the 9ers do.

Just to reiterate, I told the abusive Kap fans I wouldn't post till the regular season started, I forgot which e-mail/password I used for this site so I had to make a new account.

Anyway, ya, it looks like the tide is changing around here a little. People can actually criticize the QB without having their humanity called into question.

Phil-2 - "The o-line was fine in 2013 when Kap's regression began (after the NFL adjusted). It played much better in 2014 than Kaepernick fans are willing to admit."

Knowledgeable NINER FANS realize that a league leading 52 sacks, 7 of which were Kaepernick's fault, does not lead to the conclusion that the line played "much better in 2014." Did you actually watch any games last year?

Originally posted by Phil-2:
Just to reiterate, I told the abusive Kap fans I wouldn't post till the regular season started, I forgot which e-mail/password I used for this site so I had to make a new account.

Anyway, ya, it looks like the tide is changing around here a little. People can actually criticize the QB without having their humanity called into question.

And possibly people can challenge arguments without people crying big wet tears and pretending their humanity is in question.

Originally posted by Phil-2:
Just to reiterate, I told the abusive Kap fans I wouldn't post till the regular season started, I forgot which e-mail/password I used for this site so I had to make a new account.

Anyway, ya, it looks like the tide is changing around here a little. People can actually criticize the QB without having their humanity called into question.

Translation: I was banned and now I'm back under a different name.