Colin Kaepernick Thread

See, someone else here knew about Young being a FS at BYU..

Originally posted by 9moon:
See, someone else here knew about Young being a FS at BYU..

No, he was NOT a FS at BYU. Again, he was asked to switch, but he didn't want to.

He never was because Mike was convinced that he can play QB that's why he never became a FS.

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by ElephantHaley:
Uhm Joe Staley has been a very good pass blocker for the better part of 7 yearsatleast. And ADAVIS was very decent as was Goodwin and Boone before this past bad season.

Not sure what stats you are using but according to PFF Davis had the following rating in pass blocking.

Davis
2010: 70th
2011: 60th
2012: 29th
2013: 24th
2014: did not play

Boone's ratings--
2012: 30th
2013: 54th (Adam Snyder was rated higher)
2014: 23rd (not terrible--so so)

Goodwin was rated well below Kilgore last year--37th compared to 10th.
2014: 37th (w NO)
2013: 22nd
2012: 23rd
2011: 34th

queue post about how stats done matter "cause eye test" in 3...2...1...

People were awfully dismissive of PFF in the Depth Chart thread. Curious how that works.

My complaint with PFF is their weighting line play heavily in favor of run blocking. Iupati listed as a top OG when he is very mediocre to bad in pass blocking...just doesn't make sense to me. This is especially true in a league trending toward more passing.

Originally posted by 9moon:
He never was because Mike was convinced that he can play QB that's why he never became a FS.

Might as well say you are Yoda because I'm asking you to switch your mind to Yoda's. The only difference is that Young didn't want to switch and you may wish to be Yoda.


Edit: With Young's issues with concussions I doubt his switching to safety would have been a good idea.

Young did not have a concussion issue back in college..

Where did you hear that from???

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by ElephantHaley:
Uhm Joe Staley has been a very good pass blocker for the better part of 7 yearsatleast. And ADAVIS was very decent as was Goodwin and Boone before this past bad season.

Not sure what stats you are using but according to PFF Davis had the following rating in pass blocking.

Davis
2010: 70th
2011: 60th
2012: 29th
2013: 24th
2014: did not play

Boone's ratings--
2012: 30th
2013: 54th (Adam Snyder was rated higher)
2014: 23rd (not terrible--so so)

Goodwin was rated well below Kilgore last year--37th compared to 10th.
2014: 37th (w NO)
2013: 22nd
2012: 23rd
2011: 34th

queue post about how stats done matter "cause eye test" in 3...2...1...

People were awfully dismissive of PFF in the Depth Chart thread. Curious how that works.

My complaint with PFF is their weighting line play heavily in favor of run blocking. Iupati listed as a top OG when he is very mediocre to bad in pass blocking...just doesn't make sense to me. This is especially true in a league trending toward more passing.

Are you saying that you choose which stats to emphasize based on your feel for the game, such as your opinion of how run and pass blocking should be weighted? That seems to introduce a lot of ambiguity for an argument based on statistics.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
My complaint with PFF is their weighting line play heavily in favor of run blocking. Iupati listed as a top OG when he is very mediocre to bad in pass blocking...just doesn't make sense to me. This is especially true in a league trending toward more passing.

And apparently, if you never touch your assigned blocking assignment and he ends up pressuring the QB, that doesn't count as a pressure/hit given up. That means I can line up at Guard, wait for the snap, look to the sky with my arms folded, and never be charged with a pressure given up. If you don't try to block anyone, then you can't give up pressure since you never tried to block them. Excellent logic.

Jeff Deeney ‏@PFF_Jeff
Over the final eight weeks of 2014, Alex Boone had a +13.5 grade, sixth best among all guards, and did not allow a sack or QB hit. #49ers

These are both games after week 8 and it's just what was off the top of my head.



I don't know why I get a kick out of showing inaccuracies with PFF stats. For a premium service that requires a paid subscription, I would expect accuracy. Still interesting to see the grades and stuff, but don't trust every stat they put out.

Anyway, back to Kap. He does well when he has a pocket. If there's one area I want to see improvement, it's with the OL. Foerster's OL gave up a bunch of sacks to RG3, but he holds the ball way too long from what I've seen.

Originally posted by ElephantHaley:
Kap has had more All pros blocking for him the last 3 years then Brady has had the last 10 years.

do you even watch games,,, have you seen the s**tty pass protection from our team since 2011?

Originally posted by 9moon:
Young did not have a concussion issue back in college..

Where did you hear that from???

I don't think that's what he's saying. I think he's saying that Young's concussion issues (which came to light throughout his pro career) would have been exacerbated had he played FS. Makes sense to me.

You all see,

that's why I never go by stats when it comes to the OL.. .When I saw Staley's plays last year, I saw a guy on his way down..

But that's just my opinion..

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by ElephantHaley:
Uhm Joe Staley has been a very good pass blocker for the better part of 7 yearsatleast. And ADAVIS was very decent as was Goodwin and Boone before this past bad season.

Not sure what stats you are using but according to PFF Davis had the following rating in pass blocking.

Davis
2010: 70th
2011: 60th
2012: 29th
2013: 24th
2014: did not play

Boone's ratings--
2012: 30th
2013: 54th (Adam Snyder was rated higher)
2014: 23rd (not terrible--so so)

Goodwin was rated well below Kilgore last year--37th compared to 10th.
2014: 37th (w NO)
2013: 22nd
2012: 23rd
2011: 34th

queue post about how stats done matter "cause eye test" in 3...2...1...

People were awfully dismissive of PFF in the Depth Chart thread. Curious how that works.

My complaint with PFF is their weighting line play heavily in favor of run blocking. Iupati listed as a top OG when he is very mediocre to bad in pass blocking...just doesn't make sense to me. This is especially true in a league trending toward more passing.

Are you saying that you choose which stats to emphasize based on your feel for the game, such as your opinion of how run and pass blocking should be weighted? That seems to introduce a lot of ambiguity for an argument based on statistics.

No, he's saying he has a problem with how they place too much emphasis on run blocking when they rank offensive linemen. Why is that hard to understand? Assuming you were actually watching games last year, did you think Boone or Davis did okay in pass blocking? PFF rated them poorly in pass blocking, but still had them ranked high overall. Get it?

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by ElephantHaley:
Uhm Joe Staley has been a very good pass blocker for the better part of 7 yearsatleast. And ADAVIS was very decent as was Goodwin and Boone before this past bad season.

Not sure what stats you are using but according to PFF Davis had the following rating in pass blocking.

Davis
2010: 70th
2011: 60th
2012: 29th
2013: 24th
2014: did not play

Boone's ratings--
2012: 30th
2013: 54th (Adam Snyder was rated higher)
2014: 23rd (not terrible--so so)

Goodwin was rated well below Kilgore last year--37th compared to 10th.
2014: 37th (w NO)
2013: 22nd
2012: 23rd
2011: 34th

queue post about how stats done matter "cause eye test" in 3...2...1...

People were awfully dismissive of PFF in the Depth Chart thread. Curious how that works.

My complaint with PFF is their weighting line play heavily in favor of run blocking. Iupati listed as a top OG when he is very mediocre to bad in pass blocking...just doesn't make sense to me. This is especially true in a league trending toward more passing.

Are you saying that you choose which stats to emphasize based on your feel for the game, such as your opinion of how run and pass blocking should be weighted? That seems to introduce a lot of ambiguity for an argument based on statistics.

No, he's saying he has a problem with how they place too much emphasis on run blocking when they rank offensive linemen. Why is that hard to understand? Assuming you were actually watching games last year, did you think Boone or Davis did okay in pass blocking? PFF rated them poorly in pass blocking, but still had them ranked high overall. Get it?

His position appears to be that this particular website puts too much emphasis on run blocking and too little emphasis on pass blocking. That inherently involves an opinion as to how heavily each kind of blocking should be weighted. That is subjective. Get it?

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
His position appears to be that this particular website puts too much emphasis on run blocking and too little emphasis on pass blocking. That inherently involves an opinion as to how heavily each kind of blocking should be weighted. That is subjective. Get it?

Why don't we cut the crap - did you think the pass blocking on the Niners was acceptable last year?

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
His position appears to be that this particular website puts too much emphasis on run blocking and too little emphasis on pass blocking. That inherently involves an opinion as to how heavily each kind of blocking should be weighted. That is subjective. Get it?

Why don't we cut the crap - did you think the pass blocking on the Niners was acceptable last year?

I'm going to respectfully choose not to engage in further interactions with you. You seem to be having a hard time posting without a condescending tone, so I'd like to give you some time to cool off.

Hopefully DTG is still around so we can continue this discussion like gentlemen.