Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

Originally posted by ElephantHaley:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by ElephantHaley:

Originally posted by Lutch57:
I feel like this is what it looks like every time Tom Brady snaps the ball, perfect pocket multiple guys open. Maybe he's just that good he makes it look that easy.

Its Brady's EXCELLENT anticipation and pocket awareness of presnap read and blitz hot read pick up. Some guys got it and some guys it takes LONGER and hopefully Kap picks it up.

Anyone with a pocket can be a surgeon , he sucks really bad under pressure

Kap has had more All pros blocking for him the last 3 years then Brady has had the last 10 years.

did they get there for run blocking or pass blocking?

thanks for playing

It's understandable that pass blocking is more difficult to rate but it is frustrating how the ratings are skewed for OLmen. Iupati being a top five or top ten guard is just laughable when figuring in his pass blocking deficiencies. Staley is the only lineman last year that did a decent job staying with his guy and protecting Kaepernick. I excuse all the backups but not the guys who are highly rated.

When you watch another QB stand behind his line for over 5 seconds with little to no threat it irks me! A few years ago Brees could have made a sandwich behind his line while waiting for he receivers to uncover. Yet Kaepernick seldom has any pocket let alone a prolonged one. Some of that may be on him...not being predictable behind center but then we get into chicken egg territory.

it has been the biggest kept secret there is. whenever anyone talked about our line from 2011 on.. id caution them and say they are stellar at run blocking and average at pass blocking.

they didn't believe me.

last season they went from average to putrid.

Originally posted by jonesadrian:
it has been the biggest kept secret there is. whenever anyone talked about our line from 2011 on.. id caution them and say they are stellar at run blocking and average at pass blocking.

they didn't believe me.

last season they went from average to putrid.

A number of us have been having this conversation for years now! My preference is to concentrate on pass blocking and allow playcalling take care of opening up the defense. Of course...this is my prejudice against the power run game in general!

Originally posted by 9moon:
Steve Young was a great prospect coming out of BYU.. in fact, he was not even recruited as a QB, he really was a FS until Mike Holmgrem saw him throwing the football around on a pick up game.. he bacame like the 6th stringers..

and no way Young coulda been a great QB already at Tampa Bay, he left that team too soon..

.. and while we're at this QB and Coaches...

.. Are you saying that Walsh made Joe Montana great????

He played QB in high school and was recruited as a qb in college..even if it was 6th string. Where did you hear he was a FS?

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

Originally posted by ElephantHaley:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by ElephantHaley:

Originally posted by Lutch57:
I feel like this is what it looks like every time Tom Brady snaps the ball, perfect pocket multiple guys open. Maybe he's just that good he makes it look that easy.

Its Brady's EXCELLENT anticipation and pocket awareness of presnap read and blitz hot read pick up. Some guys got it and some guys it takes LONGER and hopefully Kap picks it up.

Anyone with a pocket can be a surgeon , he sucks really bad under pressure

Kap has had more All pros blocking for him the last 3 years then Brady has had the last 10 years.

did they get there for run blocking or pass blocking?

thanks for playing

Uhm Joe Staley has been a very good pass blocker for the better part of 7 yearsatleast. And ADAVIS was very decent as was Goodwin and Boone before this past bad season.

Originally posted by ElephantHaley:
Uhm Joe Staley has been a very good pass blocker for the better part of 7 yearsatleast. And ADAVIS was very decent as was Goodwin and Boone before this past bad season.

Not sure what stats you are using but according to PFF Davis had the following rating in pass blocking.

Davis
2010: 70th
2011: 60th
2012: 29th
2013: 24th
2014: did not play

Boone's ratings--
2012: 30th
2013: 54th (Adam Snyder was rated higher)
2014: 23rd (not terrible--so so)

Goodwin was rated well below Kilgore last year--37th compared to 10th.
2014: 37th (w NO)
2013: 22nd
2012: 23rd
2011: 34th

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by ElephantHaley:
Uhm Joe Staley has been a very good pass blocker for the better part of 7 yearsatleast. And ADAVIS was very decent as was Goodwin and Boone before this past bad season.

Not sure what stats you are using but according to PFF Davis had the following rating in pass blocking.

Davis
2010: 70th
2011: 60th
2012: 29th
2013: 24th
2014: did not play

Boone's ratings--
2012: 30th
2013: 54th (Adam Snyder was rated higher)
2014: 23rd (not terrible--so so)

Goodwin was rated well below Kilgore last year--37th compared to 10th.
2014: 37th (w NO)
2013: 22nd
2012: 23rd
2011: 34th

queue post about how stats done matter "cause eye test" in 3...2...1...

Originally posted by Jakemall:

He played QB in high school and was recruited as a qb in college..even if it was 6th string. Where did you hear he was a FS?

He was looked at for FS.

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Steve Young was a great prospect coming out of BYU.. in fact, he was not even recruited as a QB, he really was a FS until Mike Holmgrem saw him throwing the football around on a pick up game.. he bacame like the 6th stringers..

and no way Young coulda been a great QB already at Tampa Bay, he left that team too soon..

.. and while we're at this QB and Coaches...

.. Are you saying that Walsh made Joe Montana great????

He played QB in high school and was recruited as a qb in college..even if it was 6th string. Where did you hear he was a FS?

Looks like moon been eating his space cakes again

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by ElephantHaley:

Uhm Joe Staley has been a very good pass blocker for the better part of 7 yearsatleast. And ADAVIS was very decent as was Goodwin and Boone before this past bad season.

Not sure what stats you are using but according to PFF Davis had the following rating in pass blocking.

Davis
2010: 70th
2011: 60th
2012: 29th
2013: 24th
2014: did not play

Boone's ratings--
2012: 30th
2013: 54th (Adam Snyder was rated higher)
2014: 23rd (not terrible--so so)

Goodwin was rated well below Kilgore last year--37th compared to 10th.
2014: 37th (w NO)
2013: 22nd
2012: 23rd
2011: 34th

queue post about how stats done matter "cause eye test" in 3...2...1...

If he brings up anything...it's bs

One guy gets 5 secs to throw the other gets less then 2

Originally posted by 9moon:
I just fully believe that a great QB will be great whoever his coach is... Manning was already great even before Dungy and Cox became his headcoach, and I doubt that any of those two had anything to do with it..

I just really think that Kaep had an OFF year because the load got heavier... the expectation got too high too soon..

That's the thing though. Kap didn't have an off year. His numbers this year were better than the last, despite the offensive problems (horrible o-line, no speed on offense). Which means that without the offensive issues he could have had a pro bowl season.

Originally posted by ElephantHaley:

Kap has had more All pros blocking for him the last 3 years then Brady has had the last 10 years.

Tom Brady folds under pressure like pretty much every QB there is. His OLmen may not be big name guys outside of Logan Mankins in his prime but as a unit they were some of the best pass protectors in the game. All you have to do is watch them. As others have said Brady has a ton of time to get rid of the ball. And is very rarely rushed.

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:

Originally posted by 9moon:
I just fully believe that a great QB will be great whoever his coach is... Manning was already great even before Dungy and Cox became his headcoach, and I doubt that any of those two had anything to do with it..

I just really think that Kaep had an OFF year because the load got heavier... the expectation got too high too soon..

That's the thing though. Kap didn't have an off year. His numbers this year were better than the last, despite the offensive problems (horrible o-line, no speed on offense). Which means that without the offensive issues he could have had a pro bowl season.

Improve upon all the usual issues we had on offense...poor play calling, poor personnel usage, situational awareness, clock management (CK up against the clock constantly which is tough on a QB trying to read a defense), zero running game (until the final 3 games so Gore could get over 1,000), zero halftime adjustments, zero in-game adjustments, zero use of RB's in the passing game (as outlets and primary receivers), never attacked the middle of the field, lots of shotgun and 5-7 step drops against an OL that was overmatched and outnumbered, 52 sacks, etc.

How bad was the OL?

Worst quarterback sack totals over past five years:
QB --- Year --- Times Sacked
Ryan Tannehill 2013 58
Colin Kaepernick 2014 52
Jay Cutler 2010 52
Aaron Rodgers 2012 51
Ben Roethlisberger 2009 50
Alex Smith 2011 44

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2256297-kaepernick-and-49ers-offensive-line-struggling-to-handle-pressure

Are we seeing a theme here?

Anyhow, if we improve just ONE of the aforementioned offensive issues, it could go a long long ways towards improving us offensively.

Also this:

Rk Player Blitz Dropbacks (Rate)
46 Geno Smith 222 517 (42.94%)
45 Russell Wilson 197 502 (39.24%)
44 Matthew McGloin 85 220 (38.64%)
43 Cam Newton 211 555 (38.02%)
42 Josh Freeman 59 157 (37.58%)
41 Colin Kaepernick 180 504 (35.71%)
40 Alex D. Smith 211 593 (35.58%)

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/04/17/quarterbacks-under-pressure/

One of the reason's Logan wants to try for more "explosion plays" is this:



https://www.profootballfocus.com/about/pff-signature-stats/

Great read too: http://www.ninersnation.com/2015/6/13/8691451/2014-colin-kaepernicks-pass-attempts-degree-of-difficulty

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by ElephantHaley:
Uhm Joe Staley has been a very good pass blocker for the better part of 7 yearsatleast. And ADAVIS was very decent as was Goodwin and Boone before this past bad season.

Not sure what stats you are using but according to PFF Davis had the following rating in pass blocking.

Davis
2010: 70th
2011: 60th
2012: 29th
2013: 24th
2014: did not play

Boone's ratings--
2012: 30th
2013: 54th (Adam Snyder was rated higher)
2014: 23rd (not terrible--so so)

Goodwin was rated well below Kilgore last year--37th compared to 10th.
2014: 37th (w NO)
2013: 22nd
2012: 23rd
2011: 34th

queue post about how stats done matter "cause eye test" in 3...2...1...

People were awfully dismissive of PFF in the Depth Chart thread. Curious how that works.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by 9moon:
Steve Young was a great prospect coming out of BYU.. in fact, he was not even recruited as a QB, he really was a FS until Mike Holmgrem saw him throwing the football around on a pick up game.. he bacame like the 6th stringers..

and no way Young coulda been a great QB already at Tampa Bay, he left that team too soon..

.. and while we're at this QB and Coaches...

.. Are you saying that Walsh made Joe Montana great????

He played QB in high school and was recruited as a qb in college..even if it was 6th string. Where did you hear he was a FS?

Looks like moon been eating his space cakes again

I've read it in 49ers Report (newspaper) back in the 90s.. that he was such a great athlete that BYU had him at the FS position.. until Mike Holmgrem saw him playing pick up games and how he threw the ball..

if you guys were too young back in the 80s or still poppin your black/white heads, then do your own search and KNOW YOUR ROLES "JABRONIS" !!!

Young was recruited as a QB, but after he got to BYU, coaches asked him if he's switch to safety and he refused.