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Originally posted by thl408:
Are you watching the all22 view? Because if you're not, then I don't blame you for not seeing it since the WRs just run off the side of the TV. There were definitely timing routes in the offense under Harbaugh. I've stated this before, but it is Kap's delay in moving off a progression that usually ruined the timing of a play. I referred to it as how quickly a QB can 'red light' a WR and move to his next progression. If a QB takes too long checking to see if the first read is open or not open, then it ruins the timing for the subsequent reads in the progression. Kap struggles with this and it's why, in 2013, people called him a one read QB. He was not, he was a slow read QB.

About whether the WRs ran the correct routes (depth wise), I did not look for that but a person can indeed tell by watching a play. First, identify the concept they are trying to run. This will give clues to the QB's progression on the play. Then watch to see when each route makes its break. The first read in the progression should break first, then the second, then so on.
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I like this article for its explanation of coverage read vs progression reads, but that's a tangent.
In this particular play, Kap will 'red light' the Corner route because of the CB that is closest to the sideline (yellow circle, top of screen). That CB defeats the Corner route. Kap then moves to his second read in the progression which is the Dig. To be hypercritical, Kap takes a split second too long to deliver this ball even though it's a nice completion. Had he thrown it earlier, then he hits Boldin just as Boldin starts his cut and Boldin would have caught the pass running. It's a 7 step timing (shotgun snap + 5 step dropback) with a hitch (Corner), hitch (Dig), hitch (Drag).
http://www.ninersnation.com/2014/9/3/6096747/colin-kaepernick-49ers-quarterback-film-breakdown-reads




2014 was almost pointless to critique because the pass pro was the worst it had been in all the years under Harbaugh. Kap must have felt like a lottery winner if he had time to hit three reads on any particular play.


I feel like this is what it looks like every time Tom Brady snaps the ball, perfect pocket multiple guys open. Maybe he's just that good he makes it look that easy.
Originally posted by 9moon:
Steve Young was no where close to being a HOF type of QB when he was at Tbay because he was only there for about 2 years... We would have never known the result of Steve Young regardless...

Brady's talent was overlooked by everyone even when he was in Michigan.. Drew Henson's name was just bigger and UM wanted him to just takeover the minute he joined the football team..

Brady was a BIG surprise once he got his chance (Bledsoe getting Injured), and no one was blaming Bilichick when Brady and the Patriots regressed in his 2nd year as the starter..

Your comment was a great QB is great no matter who the coach is. Why are we excusing Steve from being great at Tampa with the coaches they had there?

As for Tom he didn't start his career the type of QB he is now. He was very Alex Smith like early in his career. Lots of check downs, lots of small stuff while taking care of the ball. Anyone remember the game manager with a good defense vs Peyton Manning's stats arguments for who was better?

Great QBs and great coaches make each other better there's no question but a great coach will make any player better but it takes a really special type of QB to make a coach look great.
Steve Young was a great prospect coming out of BYU.. in fact, he was not even recruited as a QB, he really was a FS until Mike Holmgrem saw him throwing the football around on a pick up game.. he bacame like the 6th stringers..

and no way Young coulda been a great QB already at Tampa Bay, he left that team too soon..

.. and while we're at this QB and Coaches...

.. Are you saying that Walsh made Joe Montana great????
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by 9moon:
Steve Young was no where close to being a HOF type of QB when he was at Tbay because he was only there for about 2 years... We would have never known the result of Steve Young regardless...

Brady's talent was overlooked by everyone even when he was in Michigan.. Drew Henson's name was just bigger and UM wanted him to just takeover the minute he joined the football team..

Brady was a BIG surprise once he got his chance (Bledsoe getting Injured), and no one was blaming Bilichick when Brady and the Patriots regressed in his 2nd year as the starter..

Your comment was a great QB is great no matter who the coach is. Why are we excusing Steve from being great at Tampa with the coaches they had there?

As for Tom he didn't start his career the type of QB he is now. He was very Alex Smith like early in his career. Lots of check downs, lots of small stuff while taking care of the ball. Anyone remember the game manager with a good defense vs Peyton Manning's stats arguments for who was better?

Great QBs and great coaches make each other better there's no question but a great coach will make any player better but it takes a really special type of QB to make a coach look great.

Good question! There may be a reason these coaches exist.

Tom Brady wasn't recognized as a good QB at Michigan because he was an unknown and Brian Griese was the starter. Brady was #7 on the depth chart his rookie year. So the idea that this is meaningful is silly. Joe Montana was way down the depth chart at ND his first two years as well. Great QBs are helped by great coaching but they also have great work ethics as well. P Manning works out with his receivers in the off season and had the same great OC/QBC (Moore/Caldwell) for ten years. Brees has been using private off season training for years.

You can see talent but you never know if the talent is complete until the player reaches an elite level. Walsh certainly helped Young, but another coach might have as well. Sitting behind Montana likely helped young a great deal. Appreciating how good the 9ers were in comparison to his former teams really helped. It's an amalgamation of influences that helps a talented QB reach his potential.
Originally posted by 9moon:
Steve Young was no where close to being a HOF type of QB when he was at Tbay because he was only there for about 2 years... We would have never known the result of Steve Young regardless...

Brady's talent was overlooked by everyone even when he was in Michigan.. Drew Henson's name was just bigger and UM wanted him to just takeover the minute he joined the football team..

Brady was a BIG surprise once he got his chance (Bledsoe getting Injured), and no one was blaming Bilichick when Brady and the Patriots regressed in his 2nd year as the starter..

Brady looked like a high school kid coming out, hence his drop. Then he worked on his size and strength. But yeah, overlooked for sure. I think people largely thought he had some good skills, just lacked the tools.
Brady was winning games after games whenever he started at Michigan.. it's just that Griese and Drew Henson was more of a popular choice and that's why Brady ended up on the bench most of the time..

by no means that I'm saying coaches doesn't count in the success of a QB, I just really believe that Harbaugh should not be blamed for Kaep's regression last year.. again, I just think that Kaep couldn't handle the pressure of being so young and so successful in football that early ... he is a young QB, a very UNFINISHED product up to this point..
Originally posted by 9moon:
Steve Young was a great prospect coming out of BYU.. in fact, he was not even recruited as a QB, he really was a FS until Mike Holmgrem saw him throwing the football around on a pick up game.. he bacame like the 6th stringers..

and no way Young coulda been a great QB already at Tampa Bay, he left that team too soon..

.. and while we're at this QB and Coaches...

.. Are you saying that Walsh made Joe Montana great????

This is very wrong! Young was recruited by some colleges to be an opton QB (he was all state in HS) but BYU brought him in as a traditional QB. When he struggled with his passing they considered switching his position--he was such a great athlete--but he became a phenomenal QB after working on his game.
Originally posted by 9moon:
Brady was winning games after games whenever he started at Michigan.. it's just that Griese and Drew Henson was more of a popular choice and that's why Brady ended up on the bench most of the time..

by no means that I'm saying coaches doesn't count in the success of a QB, I just really believe that Harbaugh should not be blamed for Kaep's regression last year.. again, I just think that Kaep couldn't handle the pressure of being so young and so successful in football that early ... he is a young QB, a very UNFINISHED product up to this point..

Lol if the Coaches arent accountable for their players why are they called coaches(which is a synonym for teacher)? No being unsuccessful cant just be due to a down year with the team as a whole even though its a team sport, and one that is heavily reliant on team performances not individual performances. It cant be because he got the most pressure per drop back in the nfl, or any other reason listed on here. That would be too logical.

Here's a concept, the most logical answer is usually the explanation. Here's another one, winning and losing isnt always predicated on qb play, especially if the supporting staff isnt there.
Originally posted by Lutch57:
I feel like this is what it looks like every time Tom Brady snaps the ball, perfect pocket multiple guys open. Maybe he's just that good he makes it look that easy.

Its Brady's EXCELLENT anticipation and pocket awareness of presnap read and blitz hot read pick up. Some guys got it and some guys it takes LONGER and hopefully Kap picks it up.
Originally posted by ElephantHaley:
Originally posted by Lutch57:
I feel like this is what it looks like every time Tom Brady snaps the ball, perfect pocket multiple guys open. Maybe he's just that good he makes it look that easy.

Its Brady's EXCELLENT anticipation and pocket awareness of presnap read and blitz hot read pick up. Some guys got it and some guys it takes LONGER and hopefully Kap picks it up.

Anyone with a pocket can be a surgeon , he sucks really bad under pressure
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by ElephantHaley:
Originally posted by Lutch57:
I feel like this is what it looks like every time Tom Brady snaps the ball, perfect pocket multiple guys open. Maybe he's just that good he makes it look that easy.

Its Brady's EXCELLENT anticipation and pocket awareness of presnap read and blitz hot read pick up. Some guys got it and some guys it takes LONGER and hopefully Kap picks it up.

Anyone with a pocket can be a surgeon , he sucks really bad under pressure

Kap has had more All pros blocking for him the last 3 years then Brady has had the last 10 years.
Originally posted by ElephantHaley:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by ElephantHaley:
Originally posted by Lutch57:
I feel like this is what it looks like every time Tom Brady snaps the ball, perfect pocket multiple guys open. Maybe he's just that good he makes it look that easy.

Its Brady's EXCELLENT anticipation and pocket awareness of presnap read and blitz hot read pick up. Some guys got it and some guys it takes LONGER and hopefully Kap picks it up.

Anyone with a pocket can be a surgeon , he sucks really bad under pressure

Kap has had more All pros blocking for him the last 3 years then Brady has had the last 10 years.

Brady is a HOFer. Kap isn't near there yet. For now he needs protection. Brady had some good lines earlier in his career.
Originally posted by ElephantHaley:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by ElephantHaley:
Originally posted by Lutch57:
I feel like this is what it looks like every time Tom Brady snaps the ball, perfect pocket multiple guys open. Maybe he's just that good he makes it look that easy.

Its Brady's EXCELLENT anticipation and pocket awareness of presnap read and blitz hot read pick up. Some guys got it and some guys it takes LONGER and hopefully Kap picks it up.

Anyone with a pocket can be a surgeon , he sucks really bad under pressure

Kap has had more All pros blocking for him the last 3 years then Brady has had the last 10 years.

BS and that is irrelevant

Do you even watch Brady
Originally posted by ElephantHaley:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by ElephantHaley:
Originally posted by Lutch57:
I feel like this is what it looks like every time Tom Brady snaps the ball, perfect pocket multiple guys open. Maybe he's just that good he makes it look that easy.

Its Brady's EXCELLENT anticipation and pocket awareness of presnap read and blitz hot read pick up. Some guys got it and some guys it takes LONGER and hopefully Kap picks it up.

Anyone with a pocket can be a surgeon , he sucks really bad under pressure

Kap has had more All pros blocking for him the last 3 years then Brady has had the last 10 years.

did they get there for run blocking or pass blocking?

thanks for playing
Originally posted by jonesadrian:
Originally posted by ElephantHaley:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by ElephantHaley:
Originally posted by Lutch57:
I feel like this is what it looks like every time Tom Brady snaps the ball, perfect pocket multiple guys open. Maybe he's just that good he makes it look that easy.

Its Brady's EXCELLENT anticipation and pocket awareness of presnap read and blitz hot read pick up. Some guys got it and some guys it takes LONGER and hopefully Kap picks it up.

Anyone with a pocket can be a surgeon , he sucks really bad under pressure

Kap has had more All pros blocking for him the last 3 years then Brady has had the last 10 years.

did they get there for run blocking or pass blocking?

thanks for playing

It's understandable that pass blocking is more difficult to rate but it is frustrating how the ratings are skewed for OLmen. Iupati being a top five or top ten guard is just laughable when figuring in his pass blocking deficiencies. Staley is the only lineman last year that did a decent job staying with his guy and protecting Kaepernick. I excuse all the backups but not the guys who are highly rated.

When you watch another QB stand behind his line for over 5 seconds with little to no threat it irks me! A few years ago Brees could have made a sandwich behind his line while waiting for the receivers to uncover. Yet Kaepernick seldom has any pocket let alone a prolonged one. Some of that may be on him...not being predictable behind center...but then we get into chicken egg territory.
[ Edited by dtg_9er on Jul 8, 2015 at 11:28 PM ]
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