Colin Kaepernick Thread

If Harbaugh is given credit for developing a quarterback, it makes sense to blame him for a quarterback's "regression."

If Geep is given credit for the development of a quarterback, it makes sense to blame him for a quarterback's "regression."


I know that Harbaugh has been given credit.

Has anyone given Geep any credit?

Originally posted by jreff22:
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Problem is we didn't make the playoffs last year. You can't bring up that point if you aren't actually in it. Most don't expect us to be back in the playoffs this year either. So you're using a stat that's kind of useless for his ranking.

I have not read the MMQB article.

Does anyone have a link to the article?

Does the article only rank the quarterback's based on last year's play?

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/07/03/nfl-quarterback-rankings/

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by jreff22:
^^^^^

Problem is we didn't make the playoffs last year. You can't bring up that point if you aren't actually in it. Most don't expect us to be back in the playoffs this year either. So you're using a stat that's kind of useless for his ranking.

If a guy can play that well in the playoffs then he obviously has it in him to play that well in the regular season if the coaches allow him to do the things they did in the playoffs.

Under Harbaugh we were very careful not to run Colin much during the regular season and then he'd gash teams in the playoffs once they let him go. It sounds like this coaching staff will not necessarily save things just for the playoffs.

And it's stupid to hold a guy back because you think his team won't make the playoffs. Almost every year a team makes the playoffs when nobody expected them. Is Oakland expected to make the playoffs? So why is Carr rated ahead of Kap with a worse completion %, less passing yards, 2 more TDs and 2 more picks, worse Y/A, Y/C, QB rating, QBR...you name it?

CK was 2nd in the league last year for the most rushing attempts by a QB with 104. Only 14 rushes behind the leader Wilson.

In 6 playoff games CK has averaged 8.5 rushes per game.

In 40 regular season games CK has averaged 6.15 rushes per game.

CK's regular season per rush avg is 6.0 yds.

CK's playoff game per rush avg is 9.5 yds.

Could it be possible that CK was holding himself back in the regular season games and not Harbaugh?

Originally posted by buck:
If Harbaugh is given credit for developing a quarterback, it makes sense to blame him for a quarterback's "regression."

If Geep is given credit for the development of a quarterback, it makes sense to blame him for a quarterback's "regression."


I know that Harbaugh has been given credit.

Has anyone given Geep any credit?

He's the only coach I can think of that nobody ever mentioned.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by jreff22:
^^^^^

Problem is we didn't make the playoffs last year. You can't bring up that point if you aren't actually in it. Most don't expect us to be back in the playoffs this year either. So you're using a stat that's kind of useless for his ranking.

In your eyes but not mine. Playoff performances weigh much more heavily to me than regular season stats. First of all any franchise wants a QB that can get them to the playoffs and secondly they want a guy with the mettle to win when they get there. No one but random fans writers andsports agents rely on regular season stats to assign player worth more so than playoff runs. True greatness is defined postseason!

But if we aren't getting there who really cares? Sure being clutch when it really counts is great but those first 16 games count too. If we fail to make the playoffs again this year the whole playoff argument is kind of pointless.

Originally posted by aTx49er:
CK was 2nd in the league last year for the most rushing attempts by a QB with 104. Only 14 rushes behind the leader Wilson.

In 6 playoff games CK has averaged 8.5 rushes per game.

In 40 regular season games CK has averaged 6.15 rushes per game.

CK's regular season per rush avg is 6.0 yds.

CK's playoff game per rush avg is 9.5 yds.

Could it be possible that CK was holding himself back in the regular season games and not Harbaugh?

IMO it speaks to the teams lack of urgency during the regular season. Every game is a must win until we know we've won enough to lock in a playoff spot. Once in the playoffs we tend to take it up another level.

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by aTx49er:
CK was 2nd in the league last year for the most rushing attempts by a QB with 104. Only 14 rushes behind the leader Wilson.

In 6 playoff games CK has averaged 8.5 rushes per game.

In 40 regular season games CK has averaged 6.15 rushes per game.

CK's regular season per rush avg is 6.0 yds.

CK's playoff game per rush avg is 9.5 yds.

Could it be possible that CK was holding himself back in the regular season games and not Harbaugh?

IMO it speaks to the teams lack of urgency during the regular season. Every game is a must win until we know we've won enough to lock in a playoff spot. Once in the playoffs we tend to take it up another level.

True.

Playing to win by a FG certainly has it's consequences.

Originally posted by HomerJ:
http://mmqb.si.com/2015/07/03/nfl-quarterback-rankings/

Thank you..

It looks like the article is not just talking about last year.

I would have to believe that Kaepernick's play off record should be included in the analysis and the discussion of that analysis.

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Originally posted by jreff22:
But if we aren't getting there who really cares? Sure being clutch when it really counts is great but those first 16 games count too. If we fail to make the playoffs again this year the whole playoff argument is kind of pointless.

Not if we are talking about a quarterback's career.

And, next year's play-offs are a long ways away.

I can not wait for the season to start.

Originally posted by HomerJ:
http://mmqb.si.com/2015/07/03/nfl-quarterback-rankings/

That was a load of s**t if I've ever seen one. 20 other QBs ranked higher than Kap is laughable...I don't put him in the top 10 but he's closer to 10 than 21.

Originally posted by ltrain:

Originally posted by HomerJ:
http://mmqb.si.com/2015/07/03/nfl-quarterback-rankings/

That was a load of s**t if I've ever seen one. 20 other QBs ranked higher than Kap is laughable...I don't put him in the top 10 but he's closer to 10 than 21.

Who cares. One writers opinion. Its July, they need to write something. Fans on .nut are probably upset that Jesus, er.... Wilson isnt higher, people in GB likely think that Brady shouldnt be number 1, and people in DAL are delusional if Romo is top ten.

Its the offseason. Lets see what Kap does with some real playcalling before we start ranking people.

QBs receive much of the blame when coaches are fired...or depart with mutual agreement. The NFL wags no doubt blame CK for not carrying out Harbaugh's offense successfully. Few of them actually watch all the games nor do they pay attention to the local media pointing out problems with the offense. When even his nemisis from Seattle supports JH people have to put the blame somewhere. Jed received some, Baalke a bit but it's easier to say the QB let him down.

Of course, that flies in the face of his moniker as "QB Whisperer." He started with a QB who has/had unbelievable physical gifts but didn't develop him. CK sought private help this offseason after three years with the Whisperer...enough said.

The Whisperer sucked and that's that.

Don't forget Alex either. Better in KC than he was in SF, IMO.

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
The Whisperer sucked and that's that.

Don't forget Alex either. Better in KC than he was in SF, IMO.

Yup on both counts!