Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by jvangeystel:

Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:
"throw receivers open" means anticipation throws where the receiver is covered when the throw is made but open by the time the ball gets there. Think a square in where the QB starts his throwing motion before the WR breaks.

A back shoulder catch is about ball placement, and those Walker plays you're talking about Kap had already dialed on him and didn't start his throwing motion in Walker was already on a straight line path.

Kap, to his detriment, is still scanning the field for already open receivers rather than playing chess and knowing where to throw before confirming that the receiver is already open. It's that extra quarter of a second that slows down his progressions and gets him in trouble (windows in the NFL close really quickly).

People say this but, when he starts making these anticipation throws and starts throwing more picks everybody will sing a different tune. Kap isn't a gunslinger type of qb. He has the arm but, is more like Alex in that he likes to be safe with the football. This shows up in the stat book when it comes to interception per touchdown. I'm okay with him protecting the rock while he's still developing that awareness.

There's no shortage of QBs who regularly make anticipation throws and don't have tons of picks (e.g. Manning, Brady, Rodgers), as well as no shortage of QBs who don't make anticipation throws and do throw a ton of picks (e.g. Cutler, Stafford).

Anticipation throwing is a skill-set that can exist largely independently from decision making and ball placement/accuracy.

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
When Aaron Rodgers lost his RT in the opening Seattle game, he looked like garbage when his line couldn't block anyone. He had a terrible game. Also when Tom Brady had oline troubles early last season, the media was calling him over-the-hill and said he was on the decline.

Both teams fixed their line issues. The Niners' got progressively worse.

This is very true.

we got worse.

on paper.

I interpreted the original post to mean we got worse this offseason, but I think he meant we got worse as 2014 went along.

Now I believe we are better or at the very least will at least perform better.

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
When Aaron Rodgers lost his RT in the opening Seattle game, he looked like garbage when his line couldn't block anyone. He had a terrible game. Also when Tom Brady had oline troubles early last season, the media was calling him over-the-hill and said he was on the decline.

Both teams fixed their line issues. The Niners' got progressively worse.

This is very true.

we got worse.

on paper.

we got worse on paper, plastic, aluminum, steel, organic, and wifi

burlap

Oh my gosh! We lost a 35 year old defensive lineman! We lost a 32 year old running back! What are we to do? Woe is us...

Seriously, Justin has been talking about retirment for several years so this was no surprise. Gore is old for a RB so losing him is not surprising. Willis has suffered injuries each of the last three or four years so that wasn't a surprise. Borland dropped in the draft due to injury concerns so that's not a surprise.

The only surprise is to lose all these players in one off season but after maintaining the roster pretty well over the four Harbaugh years (and even the previous year) the niners were due for some turnover. Having young unproven players take their place is unnerving but there is enough depth and competition to make it less scary.

The defensive backfield will be the youngest and fastest group we've had in years (1981?). The DL will be deep and talented though missing an all pro like Justin will be felt. The LBs are stronger overall than ever...even without Willis and Borland.

Primary concerns--defense:

• DBs making young mistakes
• Middle of the D being less stout against the run (though having a healthy Williams may make that moot)
• More agressive play may lead to more big plays by the opponent

Pimary concerns--offense:

• Can Hyde hold up as the primary RB?
• Will the young OL jell and be better, or will it struggle?
• Will Kaepernick blossom with the addition of T Smith and R Bush?

As usual for any team, they will go as far as Kaepernick takes them. If he plays to his 2012-3 level the team will do very well. If he struggles and the OL is a problem they will struggle to score enough points. I believe the offense has everything it needs to be great...but, as the expression goes, we won't know until they play the games!

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
When Aaron Rodgers lost his RT in the opening Seattle game, he looked like garbage when his line couldn't block anyone. He had a terrible game. Also when Tom Brady had oline troubles early last season, the media was calling him over-the-hill and said he was on the decline.

Both teams fixed their line issues. The Niners' got progressively worse.

This is very true.

we got worse.

on paper.

we got worse on paper, plastic, aluminum, steel, organic, and wifi

burlap

Oh my gosh! We lost a 35 year old defensive lineman! We lost a 32 year old running back! What are we to do? Woe is us...

Seriously, Justin has been talking about retirment for several years so this was no surprise. Gore is old for a RB so losing him is not surprising. Willis has suffered injuries each of the last three or four years so that wasn't a surprise. Borland dropped in the draft due to injury concerns so that's not a surprise.

The only surprise is to lose all these players in one off season but after maintaining the roster pretty well over the four Harbaugh years (and even the previous year) the niners were due for some turnover. Having young unproven players take their place is unnerving but there is enough depth and competition to make it less scary.

The defensive backfield will be the youngest and fastest group we've had in years. The DL will be deep and talented though missing an all pro like Justin will be felt. The LBs are stronger overall than ever...even without Willis and Borland.

Primary concerns--defense:

• DBs making young mistakes
• Middle of the D being less stout against the run (though having a healthy Williams may make that moot)
• More agressive play may lead to more big plays by the opponent

Pimary concerns--offense:

• Can Hyde hold up as the primary RB?
• Will the young OL jell and be better, or will it struggle?
• Will Kaepernick blossom with the addition of T Smith and R Bush?

As usual for any team, they will go as far as Kaepernick takes them. If he plays to his 2012-3 level the team will do very well. If he struggles and the OL is a problem they will struggle to score enough points. I believe the offense has everything it needs to be great...but, as the expression goes, we won't know until they play the games!

he was just talking about the Oline

Originally posted by defenderDX:
he was just talking about the Oline

Yes, this wasn't a criticism of one poster but was toward a general group of posters who are declaring a state of panic. Sorry if it appeared too pointed.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
When Aaron Rodgers lost his RT in the opening Seattle game, he looked like garbage when his line couldn't block anyone. He had a terrible game. Also when Tom Brady had oline troubles early last season, the media was calling him over-the-hill and said he was on the decline.

Both teams fixed their line issues. The Niners' got progressively worse.

This is very true.

we got worse.

on paper.

we got worse on paper, plastic, aluminum, steel, organic, and wifi

burlap

Oh my gosh! We lost a 35 year old defensive lineman! We lost a 32 year old running back! What are we to do? Woe is us...

S

i guess i was wrong then because i wasn't talking about anything other than how the line performed specifically last season. i wasn't talking about an outlook into this season. just how the line went from alright to average to bad this past season. nothing more. nothing to reflect this current roster which i think has the chance with the right coaching...which we seem to be getting to hoist up the trophy in our stadium.

that's my fault i guess.

Originally posted by jonesadrian:
i guess i was wrong then because i wasn't talking about anything other than how the line performed specifically last season. i wasn't talking about an outlook into this season. just how the line went from alright to average to bad this past season. nothing more. nothing to reflect this current roster which i think has the chance with the right coaching...which we seem to be getting to hoist up the trophy in our stadium.

that's my fault i guess.

No, my comments were more general...not aimed at you or any individual's comments. I see no point in assuming either a Super Bowl victory or total collapse next season. Instead I see many changes that are exciting to anticipate. They may all work beautifully or they may all fall flat. This time of year you can be as optimistic or as pessimistic as you wish to be but neither is a proven position. That's the fun!

The line lost four centers last year, the RT, a late to camp RG and played poorly. That should have been expected given the circumstances. But the line was also built for power running and never put much emphasis on pass blocking. So while the new line may not be as powerful in the run game, they are very likely to be better at pass blocking.

But we don't even know who the starters will be so all is in flux and I prefer to think the new coaches will find a way to get the line in shape by midseason. Hope they can do it sooner! If Thomas is as good as advertised then Martin, Thomas and Kilgore will make a very strong group in the middle with Boone. RT was J Martin last year so that position will be better!

Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:

Originally posted by jvangeystel:

Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:
"throw receivers open" means anticipation throws where the receiver is covered when the throw is made but open by the time the ball gets there. Think a square in where the QB starts his throwing motion before the WR breaks.

A back shoulder catch is about ball placement, and those Walker plays you're talking about Kap had already dialed on him and didn't start his throwing motion in Walker was already on a straight line path.

Kap, to his detriment, is still scanning the field for already open receivers rather than playing chess and knowing where to throw before confirming that the receiver is already open. It's that extra quarter of a second that slows down his progressions and gets him in trouble (windows in the NFL close really quickly).

People say this but, when he starts making these anticipation throws and starts throwing more picks everybody will sing a different tune. Kap isn't a gunslinger type of qb. He has the arm but, is more like Alex in that he likes to be safe with the football. This shows up in the stat book when it comes to interception per touchdown. I'm okay with him protecting the rock while he's still developing that awareness.

There's no shortage of QBs who regularly make anticipation throws and don't have tons of picks (e.g. Manning, Brady, Rodgers), as well as no shortage of QBs who don't make anticipation throws and do throw a ton of picks (e.g. Cutler, Stafford).

Anticipation throwing is a skill-set that can exist largely independently from decision making and ball placement/accuracy.

So according to you Kaep doesn't make 'anticipation throws' then cite QBs who don't and their INTs. Yet Kaep doesn't throw a bunch of INTs. Which one is it because the logic doesn't make sense.

Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:

There's no shortage of QBs who regularly make anticipation throws and don't have tons of picks (e.g. Manning, Brady, Rodgers), as well as no shortage of QBs who don't make anticipation throws and do throw a ton of picks (e.g. Cutler, Stafford).

Anticipation throwing is a skill-set that can exist largely independently from decision making and ball placement/accuracy.

Jesus man give it a rest. None of those guys were making all these anticipation throws when they were still young in their careers. Anticipation throws also call for extreme trust in your receivers and play calling.

How the hell did you expect Kap to excel or even attempt these throws given what we had to work with?

We had teams telling us that they knew what we were going to run and you want to blame Kap for not throwing anticipation throws??? Are you high?

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:

Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:
There's no shortage of QBs who regularly make anticipation throws and don't have tons of picks (e.g. Manning, Brady, Rodgers), as well as no shortage of QBs who don't make anticipation throws and do throw a ton of picks (e.g. Cutler, Stafford).

Anticipation throwing is a skill-set that can exist largely independently from decision making and ball placement/accuracy.

So according to you Kaep doesn't make 'anticipation throws' then cite QBs who don't and their INTs. Yet Kaep doesn't throw a bunch of INTs. Which one is it because the logic doesn't make sense.

The logic makes perfect sense if you accept the basic premise that "Anticipation throwing is a skill-set that can exist largely independently from decision making and ball placement/accuracy."

Id take kaepernick in a play off game over manning, he looked alot better vs seattle in 2013 then manning did.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Oh my gosh! We lost a 35 year old defensive lineman! We lost a 32 year old running back! What are we to do? Woe is us...

Seriously, Justin has been talking about retirment for several years so this was no surprise. Gore is old for a RB so losing him is not surprising. Willis has suffered injuries each of the last three or four years so that wasn't a surprise. Borland dropped in the draft due to injury concerns so that's not a surprise.

The only surprise is to lose all these players in one off season but after maintaining the roster pretty well over the four Harbaugh years (and even the previous year) the niners were due for some turnover. Having young unproven players take their place is unnerving but there is enough depth and competition to make it less scary.

The defensive backfield will be the youngest and fastest group we've had in years (1981?). The DL will be deep and talented though missing an all pro like Justin will be felt. The LBs are stronger overall than ever...even without Willis and Borland.

Primary concerns--defense:

• DBs making young mistakes
• Middle of the D being less stout against the run (though having a healthy Williams may make that moot)
• More agressive play may lead to more big plays by the opponent

Pimary concerns--offense:

• Can Hyde hold up as the primary RB?
• Will the young OL jell and be better, or will it struggle?
• Will Kaepernick blossom with the addition of T Smith and R Bush?

As usual for any team, they will go as far as Kaepernick takes them. If he plays to his 2012-3 level the team will do very well. If he struggles and the OL is a problem they will struggle to score enough points. I believe the offense has everything it needs to be great...but, as the expression goes, we won't know until they play the games!

Exactly, i remember in 85-86 all the older guys leaving, and everybody acting like walsh was a idiot, then we got murdered in the play offs, choked in 87, walsh looked like a idiot to a few, better to lose a player 2 years early then 2 years late, we should have kept all those over played old players, and then lost aldon :rolleyes:.

I hated watching him get sacked so much last year, sometimes it seemed like the rush, beat the ball

Since he's had so much early success, people forget that he's a young QB still learning how to be better at the position.

A lot of 49ers "fans" hate Kap and think he's no good, but it makes me wonder how these people dealt with Alex Smith for so long...

Originally posted by 49erChica:
Since he's had so much early success, people forget that he's a young QB still learning how to be better at the position.

A lot of 49ers "fans" hate Kap and think he's no good, but it makes me wonder how these people dealt with Alex Smith for so long...

You either weren't here then or have forgotten the war zone that was the Alex Smith threads.