Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by susweel:

I don't buy this "rest day" story because the team has not been practicing every day, they have already had several days off.

And it's a possibility it can be more, but how easy could he have said, "Kaeps been doing great, but he's day to day right now as a precaution since when he was rehabbing he wasn't throwing,especially with the velocity we demand ".

Anyways, I'm not worried. If this makes or breaks him starting then so be it. Could be a blessing in disguise, makes Blaine starting that much easier, and possibly with extra time he comes in during the season when we're still in the hunt and we unleash him like we did in 2012 out of nowhere(IF he makes Chip feel that certain type of way).

Still think he plays Sunday, even if it's for 2 drives.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
I'm not saying that Kap can't or wouldn't run the read option well. It's the amount of impact he would have running it compared to someone without the top flight speed - in Chip's NFL system. In College, there were times when Mariota would keep the ball or it was designed to keep him because he was such a far and above athlete over the guys trying to cover him, reads didn't really matter. In the NFL, DE's and LB's are so fast that, the QB has to make the correct read on the read-option, regardless of how fast CK is, he can't beat that defender if the guys is playing QB run...period. We've seen that the past 2 years.

What I'm saying is, the amount of times teams playing against Philly, with Vick, Foles and Bradford that they left the QB uncovered on a read-option was, maybe, 5% of the time - that included read-option and passing plays with read-option looks. Just because CK would be in there wouldn't mean there'd be more QB runs, because it's based off the defensive play, not the playcaller or QB. He's supposed to read the defense. If the defense was only willing to give that QB run so few times against the aforementioned QB's, now much less would they allow a guy like CK? Like I've said, we've already seen that the past 2 years.

My statement wasn't against CK's ability to run the read-option, but the defenses' willingness to allow the qb run on a read-option.

I don't even think he's made the wrong read when given the read option...in all he's been well at that in SF and college. It's the in the pocket progressions that have been his bugaboo IMO.

Facts are he's shown he is faster than those LBs and DEs when he breaks out on the read option. That does become a HUGE issue and also creates bigger lanes for the RB and helps the WRs as well. You don't think the defense would HAVE to game plan for Kap's runs vs say Blaine? IF they don't give Kap the option to run that means they will have better options when throwing the ball win win.

It does help if your QB can be a running threat in the read option it's not debatable and it's one of the reasons it's run if the defense tries to take it away it's a advantage to us in other areas. go look at 2012-2013 when we ran more read option concepts and the line was actually good.

That's all good IF defenses were afraid of his passing. The problem is that they started game planning specifically for him to run and our running game until Kap could beat them from the pocket. Kap has yet to show this.

Originally posted by smithgdwg:

Originally posted by Pinion:

Originally posted by susweel:
I don't buy this "rest day" story because the team has not been practicing every day, they have already had several days off.

I agree. Something's up. Throwing shoulder injuries are no bueno.

Kap going to milk the injury so that we have to keep him next year as well. Should just cut him to not have to deal with that scenario.

No way. Kap might not be a lot of things, but at the very least, he's a competitor on the field. And I'm sure he knows, the only way to guarantee that he gets paid well is to play and play well. This is a good chance for him. No way he just sabotages himself so he can maybe get an extra year on his deal.

Originally posted by susweel:
I don't buy this "rest day" story because the team has not been practicing every day, they have already had several days off.

Same
Could be serious

Kaepernick acknowledging the fans yesterday when he came onto the field yesterday.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by GNS1310:
Grant Cohn ‏@grantcohn 5m5 minutes ago
Anyone who was at Kezar yesterday knows something was off with Kaepernick. He missed some throws by a lot.

Yep. He's hurt.

Cohn has zero credibility.

99.9% of the time, you're right!

1% of the time, Cohn's right, every time.

Originally posted by jimrat:

Kaepernick acknowledging the fans yesterday when he came onto the field yesterday.

Damn, someone forget to water the grass?

Originally posted by Pinion:

Originally posted by smithgdwg:

Originally posted by Pinion:

Originally posted by susweel:
I don't buy this "rest day" story because the team has not been practicing every day, they have already had several days off.

I agree. Something's up. Throwing shoulder injuries are no bueno.

Kap going to milk the injury so that we have to keep him next year as well. Should just cut him to not have to deal with that scenario.

No way. Kap might not be a lot of things, but at the very least, he's a competitor on the field. And I'm sure he knows, the only way to guarantee that he gets paid well is to play and play well. This is a good chance for him. No way he just sabotages himself so he can maybe get an extra year on his deal.

Um, sort of didn't compete last year and wanted out after.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Pinion:

Originally posted by smithgdwg:

Originally posted by Pinion:

Originally posted by susweel:
I don't buy this "rest day" story because the team has not been practicing every day, they have already had several days off.

I agree. Something's up. Throwing shoulder injuries are no bueno.

Kap going to milk the injury so that we have to keep him next year as well. Should just cut him to not have to deal with that scenario.

No way. Kap might not be a lot of things, but at the very least, he's a competitor on the field. And I'm sure he knows, the only way to guarantee that he gets paid well is to play and play well. This is a good chance for him. No way he just sabotages himself so he can maybe get an extra year on his deal.

Um, sort of didn't compete last year and wanted out after.

Huh? He got benched then had season ending surgery for injuries that needed season ending surgery. "Hey doc, I really don't wanna compete, can you just stick your knife in me so I don't have to."

Originally posted by jimrat:

Kaepernick acknowledging the fans yesterday when he came onto the field yesterday.

His injured shoulder looks ok. Still no friends on the team within 5yds of him

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
I'm not saying that Kap can't or wouldn't run the read option well. It's the amount of impact he would have running it compared to someone without the top flight speed - in Chip's NFL system. In College, there were times when Mariota would keep the ball or it was designed to keep him because he was such a far and above athlete over the guys trying to cover him, reads didn't really matter. In the NFL, DE's and LB's are so fast that, the QB has to make the correct read on the read-option, regardless of how fast CK is, he can't beat that defender if the guys is playing QB run...period. We've seen that the past 2 years.

What I'm saying is, the amount of times teams playing against Philly, with Vick, Foles and Bradford that they left the QB uncovered on a read-option was, maybe, 5% of the time - that included read-option and passing plays with read-option looks. Just because CK would be in there wouldn't mean there'd be more QB runs, because it's based off the defensive play, not the playcaller or QB. He's supposed to read the defense. If the defense was only willing to give that QB run so few times against the aforementioned QB's, now much less would they allow a guy like CK? Like I've said, we've already seen that the past 2 years.

My statement wasn't against CK's ability to run the read-option, but the defenses' willingness to allow the qb run on a read-option.

I don't even think he's made the wrong read when given the read option...in all he's been well at that in SF and college. It's the in the pocket progressions that have been his bugaboo IMO.

Facts are he's shown he is faster than those LBs and DEs when he breaks out on the read option. That does become a HUGE issue and also creates bigger lanes for the RB and helps the WRs as well. You don't think the defense would HAVE to game plan for Kap's runs vs say Blaine? IF they don't give Kap the option to run that means they will have better options when throwing the ball win win.

It does help if your QB can be a running threat in the read option it's not debatable and it's one of the reasons it's run if the defense tries to take it away it's a advantage to us in other areas. go look at 2012-2013 when we ran more read option concepts and the line was actually good.

I'm not trying to be a grump here, but if you looked at what I wrote that's what I'm saying. Defenses already game plan Chip's offense for a running QB with the other guys. I've seen it on film. I've never said CK made wrong reads in the read-option or that he wouldn't run it very well. What I'm saying is - that running element, because of what defenses will do against Chip's offense is a much, much smaller portion of what the QB does in his offense than passing.

The whole thing started when I was saying that CK's running ability shouldn't be much of a determining factor to him starting. Because the passing element is so much more prominent for a QB in his system. The read-option was always an element with Vick/Foles/Bradford. They didn't, not run the ball because they couldn't or because they didn't have Ck's speed, it was because the D-end was playing QB run. That's part of Chip's offense. He uses that D-end or OLB playing run to stretch defenses horizontally.

Which shoulder did colon injure?

Originally posted by Joecool:
That's all good IF defenses were afraid of his passing. The problem is that they started game planning specifically for him to run and our running game until Kap could beat them from the pocket. Kap has yet to show this.

who says they won't be? chip's pass plays are stupid crazy and don't require him to go through a ton of progressions after the snap...you said it yourself it's all presnap reads which take advantage of miss matches.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by GNS1310:
Grant Cohn ‏@grantcohn 5m5 minutes ago
Anyone who was at Kezar yesterday knows something was off with Kaepernick. He missed some throws by a lot.

Yep. He's hurt.

Cohn has zero credibility.

99.9% of the time, you're right!

1% of the time, Cohn's right, every time.

That was quite the string we had the other day!

Originally posted by jonnydel:
I'm not trying to be a grump here, but if you looked at what I wrote that's what I'm saying. Defenses already game plan Chip's offense for a running QB with the other guys. I've seen it on film. I've never said CK made wrong reads in the read-option or that he wouldn't run it very well. What I'm saying is - that running element, because of what defenses will do against Chip's offense is a much, much smaller portion of what the QB does in his offense than passing.

The whole thing started when I was saying that CK's running ability shouldn't be much of a determining factor to him starting. Because the passing element is so much more prominent for a QB in his system. The read-option was always an element with Vick/Foles/Bradford. They didn't, not run the ball because they couldn't or because they didn't have Ck's speed, it was because the D-end was playing QB run. That's part of Chip's offense. He uses that D-end or OLB playing run to stretch defenses horizontally.

They game planed for a Bradfor/Foles/Sanchez read option not the same you throw Vick out there but the dude was a old man and still had over 300 yards running on 36 attempts (that's well over 600 yards in a full season for his old ass lol).