Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by awp8912:

Originally posted by 49ers81:
Athleticism and mobility aren't the same thing. That is why Wilson has continued to be effective while Kaepernick has not. Wilson's ability to feel pressure and move laterally while still looking downfield is what makes him so dangerous. Once you take the edge away from Kaepernick and prevent him from turning the corner his long stride and straight line speed don't help him

If a defense focuses on doing the bolded above, then don't you think that gives him an advantage in Chip Kelly's system, more so than it did in Geep's System?

No, because Kaepernick hasn't demonstrated that he can process reads and get rid of the ball quick enough and with enough accuracy to make him a threat in the passing game. He's a long ball hitter. He strikes out a lot but every once in awhile he'll hit one out of the park and it will look spectacular. Sort of feast or famine. Personally I want a guy who keeps getting on base and moving the other runners along

Originally posted by awp8912:

Smh. Can you read? Please stop typing with emotions and try and comprehend what my points were before you type paragraphs back to me.

for example my whole point was that defenses ARE planning for Kap's mobility and NOT planning for Gabberts. Jeez louise.

Originally posted by Squirrel:
Try being polite in a conversation. You may not agree with the other guy, but you don't have to be a jerk about it.

Originally posted by awp8912:

Thank you for the wise words my friend. Thank you!

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by awp8912:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Athleticism and mobility aren't the same thing. That is why Wilson has continued to be effective while Kaepernick has not. Wilson's ability to feel pressure and move laterally while still looking downfield is what makes him so dangerous. Once you take the edge away from Kaepernick and prevent him from turning the corner his long stride and straight line speed don't help him

If a defense focuses on doing the bolded above, then don't you think that gives him an advantage in Chip Kelly's system, more so than it did in Geep's System?

No, because Kaepernick hasn't demonstrated that he can process reads and get rid of the ball quick enough and with enough accuracy to make him a threat in the passing game. He's a long ball hitter. He strikes out a lot but every once in awhile he'll hit one out of the park and it will look spectacular. Sort of feast or famine. Personally I want a guy who keeps getting on base and moving the other runners along

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by awp8912:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Ahh, yes. The Kaepernick is a great runner theory. Kaepernick has a huge stride that eats up a lot of ground and when he gets around the corner into open space his speed and strength make him hard to bring down. But he seems to lack any kind of lateral quickness and rarely do you ever see him cause people to miss. He isn't a shifty runner at all, just has that sort of straight ahead speed. If you take the edge away from him or surround him with bodies you really limit what he can do to hurt you with his legs which forces him to beat you with his arm, which he is unable to to do consistently. That is what the defenses figured out about him the last two years and that is why he has been so ineffective. He has a slow release and hasn't demonstrated that he can make quick decisions with the ball to get it out of his hands that's one of the reasons he was getting sacked so much last year. He holds the ball too long looking for some deep throw down the field because, well I guess it looks cooler to throw the ball fifty yards rather than five. But time after time after time you would see guys on the sports shows breaking down some play where Kaepernick got sacked or threw the ball away and pointing out, "well, this guy is open and this guy is open and this guy is open" on the underneath routes but he simply wouldn't pull the trigger in time to make it happen. Maybe this is something Kelly can fix, maybe not. I guess we'll find out in preseason.

Man so many people are getting it twisted. No one's saying Kap will rush for 1200 yards. We are saying Defenses HAVE to plan for Kap's mobility. They will NOT be planning for Gabbert at ALL! This is a certainty! No debate or opinion. That is Kap's advantage here in this offense and it's the first time since Mariota that this will happen.

Kap's threat to run will allow him to have more time to throw the football which again is an advantage compared to Gabbert.

I think you are incorrect about this... Having Kap back there with a quickly collapsing pocket due to not having extra blockers is a recipe for disaster. He won't have "extra time to throw the ball" lol. He will have less. Seriously less than he used to have, and he will have that on every play. Defenses will be able to penetrate, but if they aren't careful that opens up Kelly's passing lanes, abd again having a quick decision about who is the open guy, us much more important to keep the chains moving than a one read and do I run, situation. Having a great straight ahead run 4 or 5 times a season isn't what we need. We need a QB with quick accurate strikes that is mobile enough to get some yards when he has to. Not the other way around.

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
Gabbert has a 6.84 3 cone,Kaep 6.85. Kaep had a 4.18 20 yard, Gabbert 4.24. IMO, both players are now more explosive than they were coming out, but Gabbert a lil more so from the looks of it.

We'll find out Sunday how they look in the pocket.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NorthBay49er:

Would u rather have kap get playing time 1st or 2nd in preseason?

2nd

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Gabbert has a 6.84 3 cone,Kaep 6.85. Kaep had a 4.18 20 yard, Gabbert 4.24. IMO, both players are now more explosive than they were coming out, but Gabbert a lil more so from the looks of it.

We'll find out Sunday how they look in the pocket.

Can't measure pocket instinct and release time. At this point, Gabbert is far ahead of Kap in the categories.

I can't say which is more accurate. Kap has been jaw-dropping pin-point his first couple of years.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Gabbert has a 6.84 3 cone,Kaep 6.85. Kaep had a 4.18 20 yard, Gabbert 4.24. IMO, both players are now more explosive than they were coming out, but Gabbert a lil more so from the looks of it.

We'll find out Sunday how they look in the pocket.

Can't measure pocket instinct and release time. At this point, Gabbert is far ahead of Kap in the categories.

I can't say which is more accurate. Kap has been jaw-dropping pin-point his first couple of years.

Originally posted by jedediahyork:

Blaine goes hunting for the kill, kap goes out to the field for the pick.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by awp8912:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Ahh, yes. The Kaepernick is a great runner theory. Kaepernick has a huge stride that eats up a lot of ground and when he gets around the corner into open space his speed and strength make him hard to bring down. But he seems to lack any kind of lateral quickness and rarely do you ever see him cause people to miss. He isn't a shifty runner at all, just has that sort of straight ahead speed. If you take the edge away from him or surround him with bodies you really limit what he can do to hurt you with his legs which forces him to beat you with his arm, which he is unable to to do consistently. That is what the defenses figured out about him the last two years and that is why he has been so ineffective. He has a slow release and hasn't demonstrated that he can make quick decisions with the ball to get it out of his hands that's one of the reasons he was getting sacked so much last year. He holds the ball too long looking for some deep throw down the field because, well I guess it looks cooler to throw the ball fifty yards rather than five. But time after time after time you would see guys on the sports shows breaking down some play where Kaepernick got sacked or threw the ball away and pointing out, "well, this guy is open and this guy is open and this guy is open" on the underneath routes but he simply wouldn't pull the trigger in time to make it happen. Maybe this is something Kelly can fix, maybe not. I guess we'll find out in preseason.

Man so many people are getting it twisted. No one's saying Kap will rush for 1200 yards. We are saying Defenses HAVE to plan for Kap's mobility. They will NOT be planning for Gabbert at ALL! This is a certainty! No debate or opinion. That is Kap's advantage here in this offense and it's the first time since Mariota that this will happen.

Kap's threat to run will allow him to have more time to throw the football which again is an advantage compared to Gabbert.

I think you are incorrect about this... Having Kap back there with a quickly collapsing pocket due to not having extra blockers is a recipe for disaster. He won't have "extra time to throw the ball" lol. He will have less. Seriously less than he used to have, and he will have that on every play. Defenses will be able to penetrate, but if they aren't careful that opens up Kelly's passing lanes, abd again having a quick decision about who is the open guy, us much more important to keep the chains moving than a one read and do I run, situation. Having a great straight ahead run 4 or 5 times a season isn't what we need. We need a QB with quick accurate strikes that is mobile enough to get some yards when he has to. Not the other way around.

Who dat?