Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by Blindfury:

I'll say one thing, there are some people here that have a deep, intense and undeniable hatred for Kaep. Pretty sad, really.

I have never hated a player to that degree.

It's pretty much exactly what Alex got until 2011, only Alex hadn't had the success Kap had.

The whole thing is sad, really. Kap makes for an easy scapegoat cause he regressed a bit, but so did the team & coaching staff. It is what it is.

We should all be hoping Kap rises from the ashes and balls out, just like Alex did.

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Wrong!!!

Point I'm making is simply stating that the 49ers were good on both sides of the ball and that one side didn't carry the other, they go hand in hand. But like I said let's disregard the 49ers defense you're right it was ALL Kap that carried the team. Smh

So they were top 5 for their postseason performance?

They were not very good in the postseason. Kap carried them through the GB game and that's not debatable. Our defense did put the clamps down in the 2nd half vs the Falcons though. And then looked like s**t again in the biggest game of their lives I don't think we even got close enough to breathe on Flacco

Please don't blame JUST the defense in that game, there were a lot of factors as to why the 49ers loss the Super Bowl. Again, unfrickin believable the bias opinions in here.

Definitely a lot of factors. Coming out unprepared (penalty on the 1st play of the game). The fumble by James killed some early momentum. Kap had a turnover. But our defense sucked, every time we needed to make a play, we couldn't get off of the field. We couldn't get anywhere close to Flacco all game and that's unacceptable for a "top 5" defense. The offense at least looked good quite a few times in that game. The defense looked bad, damn near all game

Again, you're throwing your opinion out there like it's a fact.

But our defense sucked, every time we needed to make a play, we couldn't get off of the field.

Fact is in the post season of 2012, the defense stepped up EXACTLY when the team needed them to, allowing only 23 points in the second half of 3 games:

vs. Green Bay, they only allowed 10 points in the second half.

vs. Atlanta, they did not allow any points not even a field goal in the second half.

vs. Baltimore, they only allowed 13 points in the second half. One touchdown in the 3rd quarter and two field goals in the 4th quarter.

How is that not stepping up in the playoffs?? Remember it's not how you start, it's how you finish.

Couldn't get off the field on 4th down, couldn't keep them out of FG range on their last drive that made us need a TD instead of a FG. How many points did our offense score in the 2nd half? Significantly more in the 2nd half than the 1st half, no? Too bad the defense couldn't get off the field when we needed it the most. No sacks in the entire game?

It seems that great defense had a pattern of not getting off the field when it counted or when we needed it to? In the Seattle Seahawk NFC championship game Russell had numerous 3rd and longs and we couldn't get off the field, so there is a track record of the defense not being able to get off the field in a couple of huge games. (Factoring in the injuries) If we were considered a defensive team in that run, why couldn't they win it for us in those 3 years? Broncos offense was trash towards the end of the season and Denvers's defense saved them? Seattles defense did rise to the occasion? In the Atlanta game our defense gave up a lot and early, In the Super Bowl they just couldn't touch Flacco. Imo our defense didn't do its job, if defense wins championships??? that defense owed us 1 at least 1.. And for whatever the reasons they didn't. Some here want to say they carried us through the regular season but when they didn't do their job and was suppose to step their game level in the playoffs or SB they are quick to point at the offense, Defense wins championships right? Our defense failed us when we needed it the most. Sadly

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Wrong!!!

Point I'm making is simply stating that the 49ers were good on both sides of the ball and that one side didn't carry the other, they go hand in hand. But like I said let's disregard the 49ers defense you're right it was ALL Kap that carried the team. Smh

So they were top 5 for their postseason performance?

They were not very good in the postseason. Kap carried them through the GB game and that's not debatable. Our defense did put the clamps down in the 2nd half vs the Falcons though. And then looked like s**t again in the biggest game of their lives I don't think we even got close enough to breathe on Flacco

Please don't blame JUST the defense in that game, there were a lot of factors as to why the 49ers loss the Super Bowl. Again, unfrickin believable the bias opinions in here.

Definitely a lot of factors. Coming out unprepared (penalty on the 1st play of the game). The fumble by James killed some early momentum. Kap had a turnover. But our defense sucked, every time we needed to make a play, we couldn't get off of the field. We couldn't get anywhere close to Flacco all game and that's unacceptable for a "top 5" defense. The offense at least looked good quite a few times in that game. The defense looked bad, damn near all game

Again, you're throwing your opinion out there like it's a fact.

But our defense sucked, every time we needed to make a play, we couldn't get off of the field.

Fact is in the post season of 2012, the defense stepped up EXACTLY when the team needed them to, allowing only 23 points in the second half of 3 games:

vs. Green Bay, they only allowed 10 points in the second half.

vs. Atlanta, they did not allow any points not even a field goal in the second half.

vs. Baltimore, they only allowed 13 points in the second half. One touchdown in the 3rd quarter and two field goals in the 4th quarter.

How is that not stepping up in the playoffs?? Remember it's not how you start, it's how you finish.

Couldn't get off the field on 4th down, couldn't keep them out of FG range on their last drive that made us need a TD instead of a FG. How many points did our offense score in the 2nd half? Significantly more in the 2nd half than the 1st half, no? Too bad the defense couldn't get off the field when we needed it the most. No sacks in the entire game?

I guess only the second halves of games count if you play defense. WTF?

All the points count regardless of when they are scored.

Agreed. If a team gives up 40 in the first half but nothing in the 2nd, do we blame the offense if they lose 40-35??? I hope not...

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
My main point to my argument is that someone claimed it was Kap who carried the team in 2012. I'm just disagreeing saying the defense should get credit too. Am I ignoring the fact that Kap lit it up in 2012 and even 2013, absolutely not dude was on fire, only I don't think it was all him, just like I don't think it was all Montana either. And that's all I'm getting at.

The problem is we were putting up 34 a game in the playoffs. That's ridiculously good offense. We were allowing 25 a game on defense. That's bad defense. When you make the SB with bad defense it's because they were carried by ridiculously good offense. When was the only time in the Harbaugh era our offense was ridiculously good? When Kap was on fire, meaning Kaps play was the difference. He is the reason we got where we did no matter how hard you try to deny it.

It's bad defense to allow two scores less than your offense scores per game? What?

An objective person looks at those numbers and wonders how anyone could say the defense was bad, with two major pieces injured, yet they held opposing offenses to two scores less than the offense put up... to the best offenses in the NFL...

Once you dig deeper into the surface level BS this nonsense "Kap carried" argument, you see those other points came from offensive ineptitude and special teams mistakes.

Which means it's absolutely ridiculous to say "Kap carried the team," when, in actuality, it is more accurate to say, "Kap is a reason why we almost lost those games, and the reason we lost the Super Bowl."

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Wrong!!!

Point I'm making is simply stating that the 49ers were good on both sides of the ball and that one side didn't carry the other, they go hand in hand. But like I said let's disregard the 49ers defense you're right it was ALL Kap that carried the team. Smh

So they were top 5 for their postseason performance?

They were not very good in the postseason. Kap carried them through the GB game and that's not debatable. Our defense did put the clamps down in the 2nd half vs the Falcons though. And then looked like s**t again in the biggest game of their lives I don't think we even got close enough to breathe on Flacco

Please don't blame JUST the defense in that game, there were a lot of factors as to why the 49ers loss the Super Bowl. Again, unfrickin believable the bias opinions in here.

Definitely a lot of factors. Coming out unprepared (penalty on the 1st play of the game). The fumble by James killed some early momentum. Kap had a turnover. But our defense sucked, every time we needed to make a play, we couldn't get off of the field. We couldn't get anywhere close to Flacco all game and that's unacceptable for a "top 5" defense. The offense at least looked good quite a few times in that game. The defense looked bad, damn near all game

Again, you're throwing your opinion out there like it's a fact.

But our defense sucked, every time we needed to make a play, we couldn't get off of the field.

Fact is in the post season of 2012, the defense stepped up EXACTLY when the team needed them to, allowing only 23 points in the second half of 3 games:

vs. Green Bay, they only allowed 10 points in the second half.

vs. Atlanta, they did not allow any points not even a field goal in the second half.

vs. Baltimore, they only allowed 13 points in the second half. One touchdown in the 3rd quarter and two field goals in the 4th quarter.

How is that not stepping up in the playoffs?? Remember it's not how you start, it's how you finish.

Couldn't get off the field on 4th down, couldn't keep them out of FG range on their last drive that made us need a TD instead of a FG. How many points did our offense score in the 2nd half? Significantly more in the 2nd half than the 1st half, no? Too bad the defense couldn't get off the field when we needed it the most. No sacks in the entire game?

It seems that great defense had a pattern of not getting off the field when it counted or when we needed it to? In the Seattle Seahawk NFC championship game Russell had numerous 3rd and longs and we couldn't get off the field, so there is a track record of the defense not being able to get off the field in a couple of huge games. (Factoring in the injuries) If we were considered a defensive team in that run, why couldn't they win it for us in those 3 years? Broncos offense was trash towards the end of the season and Denvers's defense saved them? Seattles defense did rise to the occasion? In the Atlanta game our defense gave up a lot and early, In the Super Bowl they just couldn't touch Flacco. Imo our defense didn't do its job, if defense wins championships??? that defense owed us 1 at least 1.. And for whatever the reasons they didn't. Some here want to say they carried us through the regular season but when they didn't do their job and was suppose to step their game level in the playoffs or SB they are quick to point at the offense, Defense wins championships right? Our defense failed us when we needed it the most. Sadly

Agree 100%.

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Agreed. If a team gives up 40 in the first half but nothing in the 2nd, do we blame the offense if they lose 40-35??? I hope not...

Lol such a fking stupid argument.

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Wrong!!!

Point I'm making is simply stating that the 49ers were good on both sides of the ball and that one side didn't carry the other, they go hand in hand. But like I said let's disregard the 49ers defense you're right it was ALL Kap that carried the team. Smh

So they were top 5 for their postseason performance?

They were not very good in the postseason. Kap carried them through the GB game and that's not debatable. Our defense did put the clamps down in the 2nd half vs the Falcons though. And then looked like s**t again in the biggest game of their lives I don't think we even got close enough to breathe on Flacco

Please don't blame JUST the defense in that game, there were a lot of factors as to why the 49ers loss the Super Bowl. Again, unfrickin believable the bias opinions in here.

Definitely a lot of factors. Coming out unprepared (penalty on the 1st play of the game). The fumble by James killed some early momentum. Kap had a turnover. But our defense sucked, every time we needed to make a play, we couldn't get off of the field. We couldn't get anywhere close to Flacco all game and that's unacceptable for a "top 5" defense. The offense at least looked good quite a few times in that game. The defense looked bad, damn near all game

Again, you're throwing your opinion out there like it's a fact.

But our defense sucked, every time we needed to make a play, we couldn't get off of the field.

Fact is in the post season of 2012, the defense stepped up EXACTLY when the team needed them to, allowing only 23 points in the second half of 3 games:

vs. Green Bay, they only allowed 10 points in the second half.

vs. Atlanta, they did not allow any points not even a field goal in the second half.

vs. Baltimore, they only allowed 13 points in the second half. One touchdown in the 3rd quarter and two field goals in the 4th quarter.

How is that not stepping up in the playoffs?? Remember it's not how you start, it's how you finish.

Couldn't get off the field on 4th down, couldn't keep them out of FG range on their last drive that made us need a TD instead of a FG. How many points did our offense score in the 2nd half? Significantly more in the 2nd half than the 1st half, no? Too bad the defense couldn't get off the field when we needed it the most. No sacks in the entire game?

It seems that great defense had a pattern of not getting off the field when it counted or when we needed it to? In the Seattle Seahawk NFC championship game Russell had numerous 3rd and longs and we couldn't get off the field, so there is a track record of the defense not being able to get off the field in a couple of huge games. (Factoring in the injuries) If we were considered a defensive team in that run, why couldn't they win it for us in those 3 years? Broncos offense was trash towards the end of the season and Denvers's defense saved them? Seattles defense did rise to the occasion? In the Atlanta game our defense gave up a lot and early, In the Super Bowl they just couldn't touch Flacco. Imo our defense didn't do its job, if defense wins championships??? that defense owed us 1 at least 1.. And for whatever the reasons they didn't. Some here want to say they carried us through the regular season but when they didn't do their job and was suppose to step their game level in the playoffs or SB they are quick to point at the offense, Defense wins championships right? Our defense failed us when we needed it the most. Sadly

Agree 100%.

LMAO.

0 point 1st quarter against the Falcons.
6 point 1st half against the Ravens.

Looks like the offense did'nt show up either.

Funny how after Green Bay got destroyed by the Zone Read and people figured out the concept, Kap's success level in the NFL started to fade... almost as if... people figured him out or something.

Originally posted by jedediahyork:

It's bad defense to allow two scores less than your offense scores per game? What?

An objective person looks at those numbers and wonders how anyone could say the defense was bad, with two major pieces injured, yet they held opposing offenses to two scores less than the offense put up... to the best offenses in the NFL...

Once you dig deeper into the surface level BS this nonsense "Kap carried" argument, you see those other points came from offensive ineptitude and special teams mistakes.

Which means it's absolutely ridiculous to say "Kap carried the team," when, in actuality, it is more accurate to say, "Kap is a reason why we almost lost those games, and the reason we lost the Super Bowl."

Yes it is, our offense playing out of this world doesn't mean 25 points a game is good. Actually makes what the offense did even more incredible with the D playing bad.

Originally posted by jedediahyork:

LMAO.

0 point 1st quarter against the Falcons.
6 point 1st half against the Ravens.

Looks like the offense did'nt show up either.

Funny how after Green Bay got destroyed by the Zone Read and people figured out the concept, Kap's success level in the NFL started to fade... almost as if... people figured him out or something.

Unfortunately they hadn't figured him out yet and he carried us

Gabbert is by far the more superior QB between the two. I'll point out what I believe are obvious points. Kap doesn't move his feet well and doesn't work the pocket the way a QB is taught and never will he is who he is. I think joe cool is saying kap is "unathletic" because he has very slow feet unlike Rogers, romo, Wilson, cam, brees, rothlessburger lol and even Brady. They all have quick feet unlike kap. A few more reasons kap cannot succeed in this league is because he has zero touch, below average accuracy and has the slowest throwing motion in the NFL. Gabbert on the other hand has elusive feet, he's got hidin speed and He has a super quick release with above average accuracy. Another big difference of the two is kap seems to have the best memory in the NFL and he lets things eat at him it could be from bad play, fans, not wearing his favorite headphones etc. gabbert seems to have amnesia! gabbert could throw a pick then the next drive keep his head up and throw some strikes down the middle of the field and outside the numbers. Watch tape and you will see the poise he has. His 3-5 record as a starter last year is astonishing to me. Our team was ran by a mall cop last year and he still managed to bring a spark and players were playing for him unlike the pick6kap. They always wanted to fight for gabbert because they see the work he puts in during the week and they see the progression in him so it puts belief in the team (you'll know if you've ever played sports before no matter what level). I believe gabbert can be the future for us or another team if we don't realize his potential. I'm not saying he's all pro and this and that I'm saying he's no Trent dilfer. He can take an offense down Field and score touchdowns. He's Alex smith without the safe in him. Don't let those check downs fool you. Our offense was terrible and he took what the defense gave him. All I'm saying is 3-5 with a makeshift offense is a plus

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Agreed. If a team gives up 40 in the first half but nothing in the 2nd, do we blame the offense if they lose 40-35??? I hope not...

Lol such a fking stupid argument.

Yes, why could they only score 35 points? Lol at the people agreeing to one side of the argument but blind to the other. Smfh

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

My main point to my argument is that someone claimed it was Kap who carried the team in 2012. I'm just disagreeing saying the defense should get credit too. Am I ignoring the fact that Kap lit it up in 2012 and even 2013, absolutely not dude was on fire, only I don't think it was all him, just like I don't think it was all Montana either. And that's all I'm getting at.

The problem is we were putting up 34 a game in the playoffs. That's ridiculously good offense. We were allowing 25 a game on defense. That's bad defense. When you make the SB with bad defense it's because they were carried by ridiculously good offense. When was the only time in the Harbaugh era our offense was ridiculously good? When Kap was on fire, meaning Kaps play was the difference. He is the reason we got where we did no matter how hard you try to deny it.

How is that not biased? I'm done with this round about.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Agreed. If a team gives up 40 in the first half but nothing in the 2nd, do we blame the offense if they lose 40-35??? I hope not...

Lol such a fking stupid argument.

Absurd. That 2012 defense was very good, until the end of the season. Can't understand how this is even debatable. No elite defense is giving up 25+ a game. Not happening

2013 Seahawks: gave up 15, 17, and then 8 in the SB (vs the top offense in the league)

2015 Broncos: gave up 16, 18 and then 10 in the SB (vs the top offense in the league)

THAT is what an elite defense carrying an offense should look like

Originally posted by Kolohe:

How is that not biased? I'm done with this round about.

Im trying to figure out how saying a bad defense wasn't carried by a really good offense isn't biased.

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Agreed. If a team gives up 40 in the first half but nothing in the 2nd, do we blame the offense if they lose 40-35??? I hope not...

Lol such a fking stupid argument.

Absurd. That 2012 defense was very good, until the end of the season. Can't understand how this is even debatable. No elite defense is giving up 25+ a game. Not happening

2013 Seahawks: gave up 15, 17, and then 8 in the SB (vs the top offense in the league)

2015 Broncos: gave up 16, 18 and then 10 in the SB (vs the top offense in the league)

THAT is what an elite defense carrying an offense should look like

2011 defense was an elite defense. Historically great.
In still mad that we couldn't win the SB with that squad. That was the best chance of all Harbaugh years.

Too bad our qb couldn't convert a couple of third downs