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Originally posted by Afrikan:
to do that wouldn't Kap and the front office have to settle on a injury settlement o
for that to happen wouldn't there need to be an injury settlement, since he needs to pass his physical by April 1st?
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by okdkid:
There's going to be two major inflection points in regard to a Kaepernick trade:
1) The day before free agency officially opens.
2) 1-3 days after the last of Fitzpatrick, Griffin, Bradford and Osweiler are signed.
After that -- chances are very high that the teams left holding the bag without a true QB will maneuver to grab one in the draft.
So, if Kap gets traded, it'll happen before 4/1 -- but will have little to do with the guarantee on his contract.
to do that wouldn't Kap and the front office have to settle on a injury settlement o
Originally posted by okdkid:
There's going to be two major inflection points in regard to a Kaepernick trade:
1) The day before free agency officially opens.
2) 1-3 days after the last of Fitzpatrick, Griffin, Bradford and Osweiler are signed.
After that -- chances are very high that the teams left holding the bag without a true QB will maneuver to grab one in the draft.
So, if Kap gets traded, it'll happen before 4/1 -- but will have little to do with the guarantee on his contract.
for that to happen wouldn't there need to be an injury settlement, since he needs to pass his physical by April 1st?
Originally posted by Afrikan:he is not terrible.. in my opinion he , for whatever reason has not improved and has regressed. he came in and just wowed everyone. well the nfl caught up to him and whether its him, the coaches he has had, he has not adjusted to how the nfl has adjusted to him. we can blame coaches, supporting cast, offensive line etc and OF COURSE all of the above deserve it... but in the end, he has got to do more than just pull tires and lift weights. even when he did work out last summer, to his credit,,,,,,, warner even said ck did not put those things he worked on into practical application on the field in games. one issue that has always been with ck, in my opinion, is the fact he lets the other teams defensive players get into his head and when that happens you are f**ked as a football player
Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Has he been traded yet?
I keep hoping, not because I think he is as bad as some or as good as other but because I am tired of the constant bickering about him.
Since Kap is "turrible" folks who bash him here shouldn't have a problem with us trading him to the Rams for Nick Foles... to be reunited with Kelly?
finally get that PocketPasser some have wanted.
http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/27204/could-rams-pursue-colin-kaepernick
Originally posted by ninerfan4life:Niners aren't going to trade Kap in the division
Originally posted by Jcool:
How does Grbac fit that? He had a good run in KC including making the Pro-Bowl after a 28 TD season.
Originally posted by Jcool:Maybe that's a stretch his best year statistically was his 2nd in the league if you project it over 16 games. Then later on he does throw for 4,000 and make a Pro Bowl then follows it with one bad year and retires barely over 30 years of age. So maybe he was a "double" flash in the pan, but he did fall off a cliff.
Originally posted by BobS:
Originally posted by crake49:All of them showed promise out of college or were back-ups that tore it up their first year or two as a starter then fell flat on their face. It happens quite frequently. Elvis Grbac lit it up his first year playing here and I admit being fooled by him, I was livid when he was let go to the Chiefs.
Originally posted by BobS:
What do the QBs on this list have in common?
Scott Mitchell
Derek Anderson
Rick Mirer
Frank Reich
Rob Johnson
Elvis Grbac
I could rattle off dozens more, the phenomena is not unique. Why 50% of the zone doesn't think Kap can get added to that list is baffling.
"What do they have in common?"
I know, I know! None of them have ever done nearly as well as Kaepernick has in the playoffs? Do I get a cookie?
How does Grbac fit that? He had a good run in KC including making the Pro-Bowl after a 28 TD season.
Originally posted by cciowa:point, whatever
Originally posted by Jcool:
How does Grbac fit that? He had a good run in KC including making the Pro-Bowl after a 28 TD season.
i think the san fran mayor wanted him dead at one pint in time.... over throwing wide open people in the end zone in the playoffs
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by Jcool:
How does Grbac fit that? He had a good run in KC including making the Pro-Bowl after a 28 TD season.
i think the san fran mayor wanted him dead at one pint in time.... over throwing wide open people in the end zone in the playoffs
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by JohnMatrix:
It seems you misunderstood my point. Clearly I don't think Kap is as good as Brady or Rodgers, the point was that good Qbs can be inconsistent. I'm arguing that Kap can be a starter that wins for us, not that he's a shoe in HOFer. I just love that now after two bad seasons, his past good seasons have been white washed. Recency bias at its best.
I could argue that some folks are refusing to criticize him based on nostalgia. The team got to a SB with him as QB so therefore they can do it and he play just as he did in 2012 all over again. So no matter how much he struggles, there's always that light at the end of the tunnel that he'll suddenly figure it out and just run roughshod over NFL defenses again.
I got to the point where I just stopped buying into that. Looking back at game film each week and every week there were examples of him doing stuff that was the result of very basic mental errors. It isn't even that he is making mistakes, its that the same mistakes keep showing up, lack of awareness about the game clock or situation, regularly not seeing open receivers, moving right into the pass rush instead of away from it, teams were even baiting him to run up the middle, right into the arms of a waiting defensive lineman. Yes the OL was bad, really bad at times but that still doesn't excuse him making so many basic errors.
Its frustrating to watch because he has potential that is through the roof, he could definitely be a top 5 QB in the NFL but I don't ever see him reaching it. He'll have huge games in the future, no doubt about it, the issue is that they'll likely be bookended by some average to mediocre performances. Consistent inconsistency.
I think the best chance for him to have success would be in a vertical passing offense, like what the Cards run, or like Hue Jackson runs. An offense with a strong run game where Kaepernick doesn't have to be especially accurate, just hit a few big passes down the field, pick up some big chunks of yardage and let the run game chew up yard and clock. I think he could do very well with the Browns, enough to help them win some games at least.
I think even if he were to stay he wouldn't work out in Kelly's offense which is heavily dependent on having a consistently accurate passer at quarterback. I think he either gets traded this year or ends up cut next. I don't think Gabbert is a valid answer either, he's a guy I see as turnover prone and can actually be more careless with his throws than Kaepernick. I think he could do okay as a stopgap but nothing more than that.
Originally posted by JohnMatrix:
You could very well be right. I just think it would be a shame if the issue was the o-line. You seem to see this as close to impossible but I think it's a reasonable hypothesis. What I'm proposing is simple. You bring him into camp, you let him compete with Gabbert and if Kelly loves a guy in the draft, you take him. If Kap can't beat those guys out, then we know he's not our guy. If he beats everyone out and we have a good o-line and he still stinks, then we know he's not our guy. However if he actually played back to his 2012/13 standard, which everyone seems out to retroactively dismiss, we have a quality starting QB that can win games in the NFL. Again, it may not happen, but I think it would be pretty reactionary to assume this is impossible.
Originally posted by jimmythegreekjr:ok..i over reacted. like that has never happened before
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by Jcool:
How does Grbac fit that? He had a good run in KC including making the Pro-Bowl after a 28 TD season.
i think the san fran mayor wanted him dead at one pint in time.... over throwing wide open people in the end zone in the playoffs
Brown was criticized in 1996 for his comments that 49ers backup quarterback Elvis Grbac was "an embarrassment to humankind."
i was really pissed to when he was over throwing wide open people in the end zone, throwing picks and overall messing up a important game for us. play off game? i want to say it involved the steelers in a key regular season game?? oh well. now i think later it came out elvis had a sick kid so maybe his mind was not on the game, but i still hated him from that now forgotten game
Originally posted by Joecool:
This is what's so confusing. Kap signed a sort of performance based contract but he hasn't improved in the small things required to make him a consistent QB.
I don't think he doesn't want to compete. I think he wants to compete for the job AND wants to play for Chip Kelly but his problems in the locker room is what is driving his decision to no longer want to be on the team.
Originally posted by Joecool:
This is what's so confusing. Kap signed a sort of performance based contract but he hasn't improved in the small things required to make him a consistent QB.
I don't think he doesn't want to compete. I think he wants to compete for the job AND wants to play for Chip Kelly but his problems in the locker room is what is driving his decision to no longer want to be on the team.
Originally posted by MannySoopa49ersnMD:
Originally posted by Joecool:
This is what's so confusing. Kap signed a sort of performance based contract but he hasn't improved in the small things required to make him a consistent QB.
I don't think he doesn't want to compete. I think he wants to compete for the job AND wants to play for Chip Kelly but his problems in the locker room is what is driving his decision to no longer want to be on the team.
if he doesn't wanna deal with the locker room, then he's definitely not the leader we need.
He should have already pulled together the core locker room guys, and apologized for creating a rift in the locker room by dating a former player's ex girlfriend and whatever else he's done.
It takes a certain level of integrity to fall on the sword and be accountable for your actions. If he doesn't see that or think its worth doing, then he needs to go.
Originally posted by jimmythegreekjr:
Originally posted by MannySoopa49ersnMD:
Originally posted by Joecool:
This is what's so confusing. Kap signed a sort of performance based contract but he hasn't improved in the small things required to make him a consistent QB.
I don't think he doesn't want to compete. I think he wants to compete for the job AND wants to play for Chip Kelly but his problems in the locker room is what is driving his decision to no longer want to be on the team.
if he doesn't wanna deal with the locker room, then he's definitely not the leader we need.
He should have already pulled together the core locker room guys, and apologized for creating a rift in the locker room by dating a former player's ex girlfriend and whatever else he's done.
It takes a certain level of integrity to fall on the sword and be accountable for your actions. If he doesn't see that or think its worth doing, then he needs to go.
Kaepernick has shown nothing in terms for leadership on this team.