Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by bakefootball:

Originally posted by thl408:
I thought the world of Kap when he first started. Hasn't shown enough improvement when it comes to pocket presence or anticipation throws into zone coverage. I know he's had bad OLs lately, but he seems to panic in the pocket instead of trying to speed up his decision making. He may flip the switch later in his career and understand the nuances of being a QB, maybe.

On top of that the drama that seems to surround him. Locker room stuff, social media goofs, reports of not being a student of the game, that's a few intangible factors that aren't in his favor to the 49ers. I would have been fine with him sticking around another season - mainly because he's had big moments in pressure games, and not many QBs can say that. So in a way I am on the fence like you, but more and more I don't want him to return.

Agreed!

I think Kaep is a Diva!! In my opinion he is immature and unprofessional. He has a lot of growing up to do!! You can tell how immature he is by the way he has handled all of his press conferences, like a egotistical, entitled child. Sorry, but he could learn a thing or two from Russell Wilson, which handles everything with class and professionalism. I really don't think we did our homework/scouting very well on Kaep because his personality would have showed up somewhere. It probably can be blamed on Harbaugh since I think he's the one that really wanted him.

The postgame interviews didn't really bother me, and I didn't view him as entitled. I think he worked hard, but not on the things that made him a better thinking QB though.

Originally posted by Buchy:
See this is the kind of issue I have with the team right now regarding your point on intangible factors. Play wise, Kap has struggled for a couple of seasons and I largely believe it's because Geep Chryst is an inept QB coach and Kap has had Harbaugh as his first head coach who was not a technician, he believed that will alone was enough to win etc.


Leaving that aside though, let's get on to the intangibles. Who has leaked all these intangible stories? Who has now leaked the trade rumour? What is their agenda? It looks a lot like a personal grudge to me from someone in the front office but look at what that does to the franchise as a whole.

This is a f**king embarrassing and unprofessional situation. We have our GM and HC standing in front of the press saying that Kap is very much in their plans and part of the team. Now how much truth you want to put into that is up to you, but the point is they are relaying a consistent message and not revealing the team's plans. Now some moron leaks a story that makes them look like total idiots. The source I have seen cited is someone from the organisation who does not have the authority to go on record - that person should be found and fired because they do not have the organisation's interests at heart.


Look at what that guy has done to the franchise? The a*****e has essentially weakened our negotiating position in any trade and our draft position. Almost everyone on here is blasting Kap, I'll be very disappointed if he does want a trade and moves on because I think he has massive potential, but I am incredibly pissed off at a front office moron who seems to harbor a personal grudge against a player, has set out to disparage him through innuendo, leaks and unverifiable gossip and in doing so has made the team look incompetent and has seriously damaged the organisations strength in the draft and negotiation.

The social media tiffs he posted himself. For some reason, Crab's comments about hoping Kap hits the books is really alarming. Why an ex-team mate chooses to specifically mention that aspect is troubling. The leaks you speak of are alive and well. No idea what's up with that and it should be embarrassing for the franchise. I agree it doesn't make sense to leak info that can damage a player's trade value. Unless it helps to soften the blow with the fanbase once the player is removed from the team.

Kap really wore out his welcome. People just got sick of him and his attitude especially in his pressers. I'm glad he ask for a trade, because I don't know if I could have tolerated another year of him.

Originally posted by mayo49:
Kap really wore out his welcome. People just got sick of him and his attitude especially in his pressers. I'm glad he ask for a trade, because I don't know if I could have tolerated another year of him.

What if no one wants him?
IMO, If we can't part with him before April 1st, it would be stupid for the niners to play him and risk injury. Let him sit, get back to 100%, and cut ties with him next season.

Originally posted by thl408:
The postgame interviews didn't really bother me, and I didn't view him as entitled. I think he worked hard, but not on the things that made him a better thinking QB though.

Another thing that concerned me was the puzzled, confused look in his eyes when in the game. Almost like he lacked confidence and preparedness on the field. I don't think you get that look from Montana, Young, Brady, Wilson, Rogers, Manning (although Peyton had a rushed/hurried look at times), Brees, etc.... I think Alex Smith had the puzzled, confused look for a while but he looks a lot more confident in KC for sure (however it has been well known since he was drafted that it would take him a while to get going in the NFL - I think Urban Meyer said this).

Now that I think about it, Kaep reminds me of a rookie running back that just entered the league, he still thinks he can juke everyone out and run sideways to out run everyone (like Reggie Bush used to do when he first came in the league). Kaep is still relying on his athletic ability and hasn't realized yet that that won't get it done in the NFL. I also think Kaep and RG3 are very similar personality/ego wise. Bottom line, I think Kaep needs to work harder and study the playbook more, perfect his craft and check the ego at the door (but I'm not so sure he will actually ever be able to get over himself).

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
What if no one wants him?
IMO, If we can't part with him before April 1st, it would be stupid for the niners to play him and risk injury. Let him sit, get back to 100%, and cut ties with him next season.

That would be basically what Washington did with RG3. I just don't know if the want him being on the team if he doesn't want to be here. Will be an interesting couple of weeks to see what happens as far as trading him.

Random stuff about Kap that all adds up:

It's known around the league that Kap has issues within the locker room. Which makes sense that Gabbert so easily won over the same locker room when he took over for Kap last year.

And those Aldon Smith/ Kap/ Nessa love triangle or whatever you want to call it has some merit to it since Nessa and Kap are now official. How believable is it now that Aldon did mess up Kap's car over Nessa??? While we're at it is it possible Kap did other dirty things to teammates? His character would make you think yeah. Maybe so.

It's also known that Crabtree spoke volumes about his new QB after he left Kap. Ditto for Gore and Vernon. Then it came out last year how much time Kap actually spent studying the playbook compared to Gabbert.

These metaphors seems appropriate here for this situation: Where there's smoke there's fire & When the water boils the scum rises to the top

Bye, bye Kap. Let the door hit you on the way out

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:

What if no one wants him?
IMO, If we can't part with him before April 1st, it would be stupid for the niners to play him and risk injury. Let him sit, get back to 100%, and cut ties with him next season.

That would be basically what Washington did with RG3. I just don't know if the want him being on the team if he doesn't want to be here. Will be an interesting couple of weeks to see what happens as far as trading him.

He won't be healthy by April 1 anyways. Whether he likes it or not, there's a good chance he indeed gets RG3'd this year. He's got no leverage in the matter.

Originally posted by thl408:
I thought the world of Kap when he first started. Hasn't shown enough improvement when it comes to pocket presence or anticipation throws into zone coverage. I know he's had bad OLs lately, but he seems to panic in the pocket instead of trying to speed up his decision making. He may flip the switch later in his career and understand the nuances of being a QB, maybe.

On top of that the drama that seems to surround him. Locker room stuff, social media goofs, reports of not being a student of the game, that's a few intangible factors that aren't in his favor to the 49ers. I would have been fine with him sticking around another season - mainly because he's had big moments in pressure games, and not many QBs can say that. So in a way I am on the fence like you, but more and more I don't want him to return.

I think most of us all thought the world of Kap when he first came out since we had been starving of great quarterback play ever since we missed out on Aaron Rodgers. In that sense, I would rather just focus my criticisms on his game. He was brilliant when he first came out, but once teams had film on him they caught up with his game. Once teams had worked out the formula to neutralize his game, Kap's flaws were totally exposed. In short, aside from his big arm and straight line speed, Kap had none of the other more important required skills of a QB such as progression reads, reading the defense and pocket presence. As a QB if you don't possess such skills, you will never last in the NFL. That's pretty much it, is nothing personal.

so whats the market for Kap?

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
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Kaepernick- 1-6 total record vs Seattle.

Average PPG=9.

I'm sure guys like Sherman and Thomas will rest easier once Kaepernick is out of the division.

Yep, all on the QB. Kaep gotta be the only QB where the wins are in spite of him and the losses are because of him. But, put in another QB and it all changes. Damn Kaep for not being able to beat Seattle on the road!!!

Or at home, or on a neutral field, or in sandlot, probably can't even beat them on his Madden

Originally posted by Rascal:
I think most of us all thought the world of Kap when he first came out since we had been starving of great quarterback play ever since we missed out on Aaron Rodgers. In that sense, I would rather just focus my criticisms on his game. He was brilliant when he first came out, but once teams had film on him they caught up with his game. Once teams had worked out the formula to neutralize his game, Kap's flaws were totally exposed. In short, aside from his big arm and straight line speed, Kap had none of the other more important required skills of a QB such as progression reads, reading the defense and pocket presence. As a QB if you don't possess such skills, you will never last in the NFL. That's pretty much it, is nothing personal.

Honestly have to say I never liked him. Thought he was overrated from the get go. The defense carried him the first year, he had the one good game against the Pats, and two good games against the Pack but got his ass kicked constantly by the Seahawks and was never much better than .500 against the other teams in the division. The idea that he was somehow better before the league's defenses "exposed his flaws" has always seemed like a peculiar argument to me. If his flaws were exposed then it stands to reason that they existed in his game all along and when measured by that metric I'm not sure how it can be argued that he was ever any good at all. He had some good games obviously but in the end he lost most of the games that really mattered. If it's true that he wants to be traded than all I can say is good riddance.

Over 60% from the poll wanted him to start. Now he's garbage and gtfo. Lol.

Just looks like another player who doesn't want to play for Jed/Trent.

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by Rascal:
I think most of us all thought the world of Kap when he first came out since we had been starving of great quarterback play ever since we missed out on Aaron Rodgers. In that sense, I would rather just focus my criticisms on his game. He was brilliant when he first came out, but once teams had film on him they caught up with his game. Once teams had worked out the formula to neutralize his game, Kap's flaws were totally exposed. In short, aside from his big arm and straight line speed, Kap had none of the other more important required skills of a QB such as progression reads, reading the defense and pocket presence. As a QB if you don't possess such skills, you will never last in the NFL. That's pretty much it, is nothing personal.

Honestly have to say I never liked him. Thought he was overrated from the get go. The defense carried him the first year, he had the one good game against the Pats, and two good games against the Pack but got his ass kicked constantly by the Seahawks and was never much better than .500 against the other teams in the division. The idea that he was somehow better before the league's defenses "exposed his flaws" has always seemed like a peculiar argument to me. If his flaws were exposed then it stands to reason that they existed in his game all along and when measured by that metric I'm not sure how it can be argued that he was ever any good at all. He had some good games obviously but in the end he lost most of the games that really mattered. If it's true that he wants to be traded than all I can say is good riddance.

Pretty much, my alarm bell first sounded when I saw how he went into total meltdowns against the Seahawks like clockwork in every single game ever since the beatdown in the second game in 2012. Now I understood the Seahawks were rising at the time and were probably the better team, however beating us was one thing but to totally destroy our offense was something else. At that point which was 2013, I was already thinking may be Kap just didn't have it which was why I wanted Baalke to take Garoppolo in the 2nd in the 2014 draft. Needless to say, as usual not only did Baalke do nothing but he went on to give Kap his big contract. Let's face it, Kap's game all along has been one read and run, it is just too deeply ingrained. As such, he had never tried to hone in his skills in progression reads, reading defenses, pocket presence and so forth. Yes, he is a hard worker, but if you have noticed, all he has been doing are lifting weights and running, but nothing on the mental part of the game such as watching film. I remember watching a micc'd up clip and Vernon was asking Kap in the huddle how he wanted him to run the route and guess what Kap said? "Just run to an open area", LOL. The guy never had a concept of how to play the game of football and more importantly the position of quarterback. Basically, he has been able to get away with it at both high school and college level with his physical gifts, but that won't work at the pro level.

Originally posted by thl408:
The social media tiffs he posted himself. For some reason, Crab's comments about hoping Kap hits the books is really alarming. Why an ex-team mate chooses to specifically mention that aspect is troubling. The leaks you speak of are alive and well. No idea what's up with that and it should be embarrassing for the franchise. I agree it doesn't make sense to leak info that can damage a player's trade value. Unless it helps to soften the blow with the fanbase once the player is removed from the team.

I don't understand why some comments are considered while others are brushed aside. Look at our own coach. There are so many comments from past players that accuse him of some pretty troubling things. But that's OK....people brush those comments because it doesn't fit with whatever agenda they've created. But any negative comment about Kaep seems to be treated like gospel. Again, I hope he goes to an organization that actually backs him up. None of the sort ever happened here except with Harbaugh. The amount of leaks is troubling. You think they will go away when Kaep leaves? He is just a fall guy just like Harbaugh.

This organization knows its fans and they know they can leak anything and get the fans on their side. It has been their strategy for a long time.