Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by MannySoopa49ersnMD:

How dare u say Kaep needs to help the team? Did you watch the Super Bowl or any other game where the team only won or stayed competitive in a game because of Kap?

Some of you guys are completely delusional and arent half as smart as you think u are

In 4 years of playing how many games did we win solely because of him? A few dominant performances doesn't excuse everything else.

How many games did we lose solely because of him?

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by MannySoopa49ersnMD:

How dare u say Kaep needs to help the team? Did you watch the Super Bowl or any other game where the team only won or stayed competitive in a game because of Kap?

Some of you guys are completely delusional and arent half as smart as you think u are

In 4 years of playing how many games did we win solely because of him? A few dominant performances doesn't excuse everything else.

How many games did we lose solely because of him?

He wasn't able to really get anything going this year. If your QB is non functional you won't win. His play was a big reason why we couldn't win.

Get the ball out faster

Originally posted by sevenup3000:

In your honest opinion: you think Kaepernick could go 1 td 10 ints and even be on the roster the next year? You think Kaepernick could basically get what 3 or 4 OCs fired and still even be on the roster the following season? You think Kaepernick could have 5 straight seasons of sub 82 QB ratings and not get burned alive?

And more importantly, please answer this. Do you think Kaepernick, if he does leave the 49ers, would get the kind of well wishes and respect that Alex Smith got? There were a lot of 49ers that thought it was time to move on from Alex Smith after 2012 and didn't think much of his skill set, but very few disrespected Alex Smith, the man. Now ask yourself, will Kaepernick receive the same courtesy or will people in 49er land wish him nothing but the worse when the day comes?

Um, incorrect. This place was full of idiots posting about Alice Smith, Alex Leaf and all sorts of other s**t. The place got extremely unpleasant. Very few disrespected Alex Smith, the man? Sorry, absolutely wrong.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by BobS:
Funny how Kap fans complain about his receiving core yet Newton does fine with Ted Ginn as his #1 receiver.

It's his first year being fine and he has great pass blocking (shocking). Kap has always been rated higher than Newton and Newton had guys like Benjamin and Steve Smith.

lol at anyone trying to suggest that Newton has EVER had weapons.

Cam Newton was drafted in 2011. In 2010, the Carolina Panthers had a HISTORICALLY bad OFFENSE. The Carolina Panthers have done nothing since then to improve the overall talent of the Panthers since then. In fact, the Panthers talent on offense has actually gotten worse.

Last season Newton started the season with a raw rookie, about the 8th pass catcher taken at the end of the first round at WR as his No. 1. This season he began with a return specialist who couldn't even get on the field in AZ WR as his No. 1. Newton continues to be the most dynamic and athletic player on that offense...and he plays the QB position. As everyone knows, Newton has ONE weapon: Olsen, who couldn't get YAC if his life depended on it. Not saying Olsen is not a great, great TE. But Olsen isn't Gronk either. Or even Jimmy Graham or prime Gates/ Gonzalez.

Raiders have attempted to get more help for Derek Carr in year 2 than Newton's 5 year career
Blake Bortles got more help in his 1st year than Newton has gotten in his 5 years
Tannehill has gotten more help than Newton
Even Jameis Winston has gotten more help than Newton

And let's not talk about Luck, Cutler, Stafford, and Andy Dalton

Newton was drafted in 2011. Since that time the Panthers have drafted exactly ONE offensive player in the first round, Kelvin Benjamin. And again, he was taken at the end of the first and was like the 8th pass catcher taken.

EDIT: And also keep in mind that at the time Benjamin was drafted the Panthers literally had ZERO NFL caliber WRs. Remember after the playoff lost to the 49ers, the Panthers cut/traded Newton's top 4 WRs. So the Panthers HAD to draft a WR in the 1st otherwise they risk going into the season with nobody to throw to.

EDIT 2: Keep in mind that Newton has only played with a rookie Benjamin and a past his prime Steve Smith. And Newton didn't even have a training camp with Benjamin because of his off season ankle surgery---

Again, Newton has NEVER EVER had talent around him. Heck, he really didn't have talent around him at Auburn.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by sevenup3000:

The sad thing about it is that if Kaepernick was Tannehill, or Ryan, or Stafford, or Cousins...both the franchise AND fanbase would be more than willing to be patient because at the end of the day...Kaepernick would be "their guy" and they would be rooting for him to succeed, personally. That is what separates Cousins from RGIII; a Kaepernick from Gabbert; a Bridgewater from Carr.

For some odd reason, their fanbases only want to be associated with RGIII, Kaepernick, Bridgewater, Newton, Wilson, etc. IF THEY ARE WINNING AND PLAYING WELL. The minute they are not...their fan bases are completely done with them. They are not INVESTED in the INDIVIDUAL. They do not particularly desire for them to be successful, and already have their preconceived notions regarding them, which is dramatically different from the way Cousins, Tannehill, Cutler, Luck, Carr etc. fan base feel about them. Despite the fact it could be argued that the former has accomplished 10x more than the later.

And the same will hold true for Winston. Let Tampa Bay fail to get to the playoffs next year. I promise you there will be LOUD voices in Tampa Bay screaming to bench Winston...the same as Kaepernick.

How many games do you think Kaepernick would last if he were Alex Smith in the first part of his career? What about Carr? Tannehill? Eli Manning?

I really hope the season of RGIII and Kaepernick, and how quickly and decisively their fan bases turned the backs on them, allowed FAR FAR greater leeway for their less talented, less accomplished backups, really opens a lot of eyes--both NFL fans and NFL players.

You appear to be very cautiously playing the race card. All of the QBS receiving patience in your example are white, all of those that you assert have not (or will not, lol) received a fair degree of patience are not.

I find this assertion lazy and weak. SF fans sh1t on Steve Young for years, and doesn't get any whiter than BYU. Obviously, he deserved more patience than he received from this fanbase. He was the best QB in the league, and he still got crapped on by 49er fans who thought Joe won a SB everytime he picked up a football.

There were as many 49er fans killing Alex Smith than there have been piling on Kap. Attitude matters, too. I think Kap's a real good (but shy) dude who's trying too damn hard to look cool and hard, and he comes off like a childish a55hole. Fans put up with it while he was winning, but that sh1t grates while the team is losing and fans want answers.

The best indication of how much more time and experience will help is not how much time a quarterback has, but how much progress he's making. Guys like Cousins, Winston, Bridgewater, Wilson, Newton and Carr all showed significant improvement early on. Guys like Cutler, Kaepernick, and RGIII never do.

It all gets back to Bill Walsh's number one required trait: athletic instincts. Not athleticism. Athletic instincts means understanding what those fellows on the other side of the ball are doing, and quickly knowing what you need to do to counter that. The guys named above have all been accurately described as only seeing half the field, as you have to keep their reads simple, or have a spectacular OL to give them time to figure it out. To be successful, they all require a great defense and running game. It's a matter of aptitude, for which more time will do little, not ethnic heritage.

Originally posted by sevenup3000:

lol at anyone trying to suggest that Newton has EVER had weapons.

Cam Newton was drafted in 2011. In 2010, the Carolina Panthers had a HISTORICALLY bad OFFENSE. The Carolina Panthers have done nothing since then to improve the overall talent of the Panthers since then. In fact, the Panthers talent on offense has actually gotten worse.

Last season Newton started the season with a raw rookie, about the 8th pass catcher taken at the end of the first round at WR as his No. 1. This season he began with a return specialist who couldn't even get on the field in AZ WR as his No. 1. Newton continues to be the most dynamic and athletic player on that offense...and he plays the QB position. As everyone knows, Newton has ONE weapon: Olsen, who couldn't get YAC if his life depended on it. Not saying Olsen is not a great, great TE. But Olsen isn't Gronk either. Or even Jimmy Graham or prime Gates/ Gonzalez.

Raiders have attempted to get more help for Derek Carr in year 2 than Newton's 5 year career
Blake Bortles got more help in his 1st year than Newton has gotten in his 5 years
Tannehill has gotten more help than Newton
Even Jameis Winston has gotten more help than Newton

And let's not talk about Luck, Cutler, Stafford, and Andy Dalton

Newton was drafted in 2011. Since that time the Panthers have drafted exactly ONE offensive player in the first round, Kelvin Benjamin. And again, he was taken at the end of the first and was like the 8th pass catcher taken.

Greg Olsen and Steve Smith are very good players. Good RBs. Let's not act like he's never had anything

Originally posted by sevenup3000:

lol at anyone trying to suggest that Newton has EVER had weapons.

Cam Newton was drafted in 2011. In 2010, the Carolina Panthers had a HISTORICALLY bad OFFENSE. The Carolina Panthers have done nothing since then to improve the overall talent of the Panthers since then. In fact, the Panthers talent on offense has actually gotten worse.

Last season Newton started the season with a raw rookie, about the 8th pass catcher taken at the end of the first round at WR as his No. 1. This season he began with a return specialist who couldn't even get on the field in AZ WR as his No. 1. Newton continues to be the most dynamic and athletic player on that offense...and he plays the QB position. As everyone knows, Newton has ONE weapon: Olsen, who couldn't get YAC if his life depended on it. Not saying Olsen is not a great, great TE. But Olsen isn't Gronk either. Or even Jimmy Graham or prime Gates/ Gonzalez.

Raiders have attempted to get more help for Derek Carr in year 2 than Newton's 5 year career
Blake Bortles got more help in his 1st year than Newton has gotten in his 5 years
Tannehill has gotten more help than Newton
Even Jameis Winston has gotten more help than Newton

And let's not talk about Luck, Cutler, Stafford, and Andy Dalton

Newton was drafted in 2011. Since that time the Panthers have drafted exactly ONE offensive player in the first round, Kelvin Benjamin. And again, he was taken at the end of the first and was like the 8th pass catcher taken.

EDIT: And also keep in mind that at the time Benjamin was drafted the Panthers literally had ZERO NFL caliber WRs. Remember after the playoff lost to the 49ers, the Panthers cut/traded Newton's top 4 WRs. So the Panthers HAD to draft a WR in the 1st otherwise they risk going into the season with nobody to throw to.

EDIT 2: Keep in mind that Newton has only played with a rookie Benjamin and a past his prime Steve Smith. And Newton didn't even have a training camp with Benjamin because of his off season ankle surgery---

Again, Newton has NEVER EVER had talent around him. Heck, he really didn't have talent around him at Auburn.

Steve Smith had another 1000 yard season in 2014. Not so sure he was past his prime while playing with Cam.

Originally posted by jreff22:

He wasn't able to really get anything going this year. If your QB is non functional you won't win. His play was a big reason why we couldn't win.

We didn't win with the "functional" qb either... The problems with our team went far beyond the Qb position, otherwise Gabbert's better play would've translated to more than one more win in his 8 games. Though he played decent football, had three special teams plays (gould's two missed fgs and Dontae Johnson's blocked fg) not gone our way we could have easily went 1-7 over the last 8 games despite his better play. If your team is not functional you don't win...

Originally posted by Irish40Niner:

Originally posted by jreff22:

He wasn't able to really get anything going this year. If your QB is non functional you won't win. His play was a big reason why we couldn't win.

We didn't win with the "functional" qb either... The problems with our team went far beyond the Qb position, otherwise Gabbert's better play would've translated to more than one more win in his 8 games. Though he played decent football, had three special teams (gould's two missed fgs and Dontae Johnson's blocked fg)plays not gone our way we could have easily went 1-7 over the last 8 games despite his better play. If your team is not functional you don't win...

I never said Gabbert was a long term answer either. But Kap was designated the franchise QB, he should be functional.

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:

Sems that one play vs. the Rams have some people messed up about Kap. Do we really know the context behind hat happened.

Even the great Peyton Manning has 3 interception games, and Tom Brady misses open receivers all the time we are dealing with imperfect men.
The regression is part of the development, the failure to overcome flaws is bad coaching, 2015 was a team without a vision. I would call for a mulligan this year.

Imagine if kaep, and Kelly worked the possibilities of a functional offense plus the ability to take it 60+ yards at any time.
The ceiling is way too high to overlook kaps talent. "Mariota on steroids" w. Mcginest said

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by sevenup3000:

lol at anyone trying to suggest that Newton has EVER had weapons.

Cam Newton was drafted in 2011. In 2010, the Carolina Panthers had a HISTORICALLY bad OFFENSE. The Carolina Panthers have done nothing since then to improve the overall talent of the Panthers since then. In fact, the Panthers talent on offense has actually gotten worse.

Last season Newton started the season with a raw rookie, about the 8th pass catcher taken at the end of the first round at WR as his No. 1. This season he began with a return specialist who couldn't even get on the field in AZ WR as his No. 1. Newton continues to be the most dynamic and athletic player on that offense...and he plays the QB position. As everyone knows, Newton has ONE weapon: Olsen, who couldn't get YAC if his life depended on it. Not saying Olsen is not a great, great TE. But Olsen isn't Gronk either. Or even Jimmy Graham or prime Gates/ Gonzalez.

Raiders have attempted to get more help for Derek Carr in year 2 than Newton's 5 year career
Blake Bortles got more help in his 1st year than Newton has gotten in his 5 years
Tannehill has gotten more help than Newton
Even Jameis Winston has gotten more help than Newton

And let's not talk about Luck, Cutler, Stafford, and Andy Dalton

Newton was drafted in 2011. Since that time the Panthers have drafted exactly ONE offensive player in the first round, Kelvin Benjamin. And again, he was taken at the end of the first and was like the 8th pass catcher taken.

Greg Olsen and Steve Smith are very good players. Good RBs. Let's not act like he's never had anything

Exactly

Olsen could catch a piece of ice in hell

Originally posted by Ninertex:

Imagine if kaep, and Kelly worked the possibilities of a functional offense plus the ability to take it 60+ yards at any time.
The ceiling is way too high to overlook kaps talent. "Mariota on steroids" w. Mcginest said

Maybe that's his problem. Kap's on steroids

Originally posted by Ninertex:

Originally posted by BobS:

Originally posted by Ninertex:
23 months back Kaepernick had just won nfc championship, and the same guys dissing him were calling him a franchise qb
I can't understand how the bandwagon trolls can go from supportING a qb to calling him a bust when he hasn't even had the chance to develop.
It takes 5 years for a qb to develop of course he misses receiver, of course he can't read a defense he is a project qb that needs to develop. Doesn't mean he can't play just means he needs better coaching and more patience from the franchise and fans.
His early success, hurt his future,may have gotten a ego and bad coaching hurt his development but doesn't mean a guy forgets to play overnight

He never knew how to play in the first place. His early success was based on his running and defense's fear of his running, and his flaws were not all known.

I agree completely he never knew how too play got away on pure talent, my point exactly, he is not developed. He deserves his time to develop. He is a immense talent. Willie mcginest said he is mariota on steroids and I agree.

I would take him over Ken dorsey, Tim rattay, Shaun hill, jt osullivan, Trent dilfer Cody picket.

My case in point is a qb has to develop, look at how Matt ryan has struggled, he has tons of talent around him but you don't give up on talent.
No way a rookie comes in and is successful, build with what you got its going to be a 3 yr process.

But you would have to be crazy or ignorant to give up on a talent like Kaepernick.

That is a glowing endorsement, and along the same lines I would rather lose a finger in an industrial accident instead of both arms.