Colin Kaepernick Thread

Kelly s offense is simple pass concept with a read option, that is suited not for the quarterback to run but to open running lanes for running backs a running qb is a plus.
Sounds a lot like what Harbaugh did with a young developing qb.
Kelly has more experience and so does kaep I see this as a opportunity for greatness for both, even gabbert development will improve he ran a read option in college and is more mobile than many think
I see positive signs going into next year and anyone bashing kaep now is just going to remembered as being ignorant to football knowledge

Originally posted by Ninertex:
23 months back Kaepernick had just won nfc championship, and the same guys dissing him were calling him a franchise qb
I can't understand how the bandwagon trolls can go from supportING a qb to calling him a bust when he hasn't even had the chance to develop.
It takes 5 years for a qb to develop of course he misses receiver, of course he can't read a defense he is a project qb that needs to develop. Doesn't mean he can't play just means he needs better coaching and more patience from the franchise and fans.
His early success, hurt his future,may have gotten a ego and bad coaching hurt his development but doesn't mean a guy forgets to play overnight

He never knew how to play in the first place. His early success was based on his running and defense's fear of his running, and his flaws were not all known.

Originally posted by Buchy:

Originally posted by sevenup3000:

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:

Originally posted by SundayTicket:

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
I see a Cam Newton like turnaround with Kap

People were laughing at Cam too

Even at his worst, I still considered Cam a top 10 QB in the league. He hasn't always put up the most efficient passer ratings, but his team always moves the ball and he's the most effective runner at the position. He also has a horrible group of WR's around him and has had a poor offensive line most of his career. He's like Kaepernick with better vision and pocket awareness, better size and strength, and a little more accuracy. He also protects the ball better when rushing and doesn't play scared.

I don't know if Kaepernick is top 20 right now. It's debatable whether he's the best QB on this team. I'm rooting for Kaepernick or Gabbert to step up, but neither one of them have Cam's raw talent.

There were (and really still exists) a significant portion of Panther fans that absolutely did not consider Newton a franchise QB going into this season. I can point you to articles and Panthers fans that absolutely thought that giving Newton 100 million was a huge mistake and that he should be on a "prove it contract." In fact, I would say many considered Kaepernick a better passer AND better runner than Newton.

Go back and find those articles on Profootballtalk or the Carolina Huddle regarding Newton's contract extension.

Going into this season, many thought Kaepernick=Newton. Many saw Colin and Cam as one in the same, mediocre. Wilson as slightly better being carried by his defense. Dalton as a good starter. And Luck as a God.

Wilson and Newton are following the path of normal great QBs. BUT IT TAKES EXPERIENCE THEREFORE TIME. It takes repetition. Something the 49ers are, for whatever reason, unwilling to give Kaepernick. Yet the Tannehills, Ryans, Staffords, Lucks, Cutlers, and Cousins of the world will get that opportunity.

There is no doubt in my mind that Kaepernick was on this same path before the idiots that run the 49ers caved to the morons that demanded Kaepernick benched.

NBC's Rodney Harrison wanted Newton benched last year. There are Panthers fans that I can assure will want Newton benched next season if he doesn't have a MVP type season.

Buddy you're right but you're wasting your time with the guys on this thread. They're like impatient children, who can only focus on what they want right in this instance with no ability to consider circumstance or the future and then throw a tantrum when they don't get it.

The absolute irony in all of this is that apparently Kelly was desperate to trade for Kap, as was Hue Jackson. Both are considered extremely intelligent, gifted offensive coaches. But obviously they know nothing compared to the people on this thread who think Kap is the worst human being and football player ever

The sad thing about it is that if Kaepernick was Tannehill, or Ryan, or Stafford, or Cousins...both the franchise AND fanbase would be more than willing to be patient because at the end of the day...Kaepernick would be "their guy" and they would be rooting for him to succeed, personally. That is what separates Cousins from RGIII; a Kaepernick from Gabbert; a Bridgewater from Carr.

For some odd reason, their fanbases only want to be associated with RGIII, Kaepernick, Bridgewater, Newton, Wilson, etc. IF THEY ARE WINNING AND PLAYING WELL. The minute they are not...their fan bases are completely done with them. They are not INVESTED in the INDIVIDUAL. They do not particularly desire for them to be successful, and already have their preconceived notions regarding them, which is dramatically different from the way Cousins, Tannehill, Cutler, Luck, Carr etc. fan base feel about them. Despite the fact it could be argued that the former has accomplished 10x more than the later.

And the same will hold true for Winston. Let Tampa Bay fail to get to the playoffs next year. I promise you there will be LOUD voices in Tampa Bay screaming to bench Winston...the same as Kaepernick.

How many games do you think Kaepernick would last if he were Alex Smith in the first part of his career? What about Carr? Tannehill? Eli Manning?

I really hope the season of RGIII and Kaepernick, and how quickly and decisively their fan bases turned the backs on them, allowed FAR FAR greater leeway for their less talented, less accomplished backups, really opens a lot of eyes--both NFL fans and NFL players.

I disagree. People knew his flaws, but overlooked them; and they did so because we were winning. As soon as the wheels started to come off, when we went 8-8, it gave fuel to those that noticed the problems Kaep had with certain aspects of his position. This season that crowd pointed out and crowed about his apparent lack of skills or regression. Part of this is Kaep, part of it was Harbaugh and Tomsula, and part of it was ownership. I think the guy can straighten up parts of his game and I will cheer for him to do so. I find it disappointing folks abandoned him so quickly, but it is typical of our fan base to do so. We have a history of being highly skeptical of the QB position because most only remember our recent history of past QB success. They ignore the pre-championship era where we struggled to find one.

If you do not like Kaep. If you think he isn't going to make it. You are entitled to your opinion, but I, and others likely, are entitled to ours as well. One other thing. There are a lot of silent digs in this thread toward the Kaep fans. I suspect the Kaep fans are doing it toward the anti-Kaep fans as well. We need to cut that s**t out. This forum will be here long after most of us stop posting. It is bigger than all of us. If we all keep that in mind, we will all be better for it.

Originally posted by BobS:

Originally posted by Ninertex:

23 months back Kaepernick had just won nfc championship, and the same guys dissing him were calling him a franchise qb
I can't understand how the bandwagon trolls can go from supportING a qb to calling him a bust when he hasn't even had the chance to develop.
It takes 5 years for a qb to develop of course he misses receiver, of course he can't read a defense he is a project qb that needs to develop. Doesn't mean he can't play just means he needs better coaching and more patience from the franchise and fans.
His early success, hurt his future,may have gotten a ego and bad coaching hurt his development but doesn't mean a guy forgets to play overnight

He never knew how to play in the first place. His early success was based on his running and defense's fear of his running, and his flaws were not all known.

I agree completely he never knew how too play got away on pure talent, my point exactly, he is not developed. He deserves his time to develop. He is a immense talent. Willie mcginest said he is mariota on steroids and I agree.

I would take him over Ken dorsey, Tim rattay, Shaun hill, jt osullivan, Trent dilfer Cody picket.

My case in point is a qb has to develop, look at how Matt ryan has struggled, he has tons of talent around him but you don't give up on talent.
No way a rookie comes in and is successful, build with what you got its going to be a 3 yr process.

But you would have to be crazy or ignorant to give up on a talent like Kaepernick.

Sems that one play vs. the Rams have some people messed up about Kap. Do we really know the context behind hat happened.

How dare u say Kaep needs to help the team? Did you watch the Super Bowl or any other game where the team only won or stayed competitive in a game because of Kap?

Some of you guys are completely delusional and arent half as smart as you think u are

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
Sems that one play vs. the Rams have some people messed up about Kap. Do we really know the context behind hat happened.

That's a good point. It was just a horrible play, but the idea that this one play is some kind of defining moment is kind of silly IMO.

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
Sems that one play vs. the Rams have some people messed up about Kap. Do we really know the context behind hat happened.

That's a good point. It was just a horrible play, but the idea that this one play is some kind of defining moment is kind of silly IMO.

Originally posted by sevenup3000:

The sad thing about it is that if Kaepernick was Tannehill, or Ryan, or Stafford, or Cousins...both the franchise AND fanbase would be more than willing to be patient because at the end of the day...Kaepernick would be "their guy" and they would be rooting for him to succeed, personally. That is what separates Cousins from RGIII; a Kaepernick from Gabbert; a Bridgewater from Carr.

For some odd reason, their fanbases only want to be associated with RGIII, Kaepernick, Bridgewater, Newton, Wilson, etc. IF THEY ARE WINNING AND PLAYING WELL. The minute they are not...their fan bases are completely done with them. They are not INVESTED in the INDIVIDUAL. They do not particularly desire for them to be successful, and already have their preconceived notions regarding them, which is dramatically different from the way Cousins, Tannehill, Cutler, Luck, Carr etc. fan base feel about them. Despite the fact it could be argued that the former has accomplished 10x more than the later.

And the same will hold true for Winston. Let Tampa Bay fail to get to the playoffs next year. I promise you there will be LOUD voices in Tampa Bay screaming to bench Winston...the same as Kaepernick.

How many games do you think Kaepernick would last if he were Alex Smith in the first part of his career? What about Carr? Tannehill? Eli Manning?

I really hope the season of RGIII and Kaepernick, and how quickly and decisively their fan bases turned the backs on them, allowed FAR FAR greater leeway for their less talented, less accomplished backups, really opens a lot of eyes--both NFL fans and NFL players.

You appear to be very cautiously playing the race card. All of the QBS receiving patience in your example are white, all of those that you assert have not (or will not, lol) received a fair degree of patience are not.

I find this assertion lazy and weak. SF fans sh1t on Steve Young for years, and doesn't get any whiter than BYU. Obviously, he deserved more patience than he received from this fanbase. He was the best QB in the league, and he still got crapped on by 49er fans who thought Joe won a SB everytime he picked up a football.

There were as many 49er fans killing Alex Smith than there have been piling on Kap. Attitude matters, too. I think Kap's a real good (but shy) dude who's trying too damn hard to look cool and hard, and he comes off like a childish a55hole. Fans put up with it while he was winning, but that sh1t grates while the team is losing and fans want answers.

Originally posted by fropwns:
I disagree. People knew his flaws, but overlooked them; and they did so because we were winning. As soon as the wheels started to come off, when we went 8-8, it gave fuel to those that noticed the problems Kaep had with certain aspects of his position. This season that crowd pointed out and crowed about his apparent lack of skills or regression. Part of this is Kaep, part of it was Harbaugh and Tomsula, and part of it was ownership. I think the guy can straighten up parts of his game and I will cheer for him to do so. I find it disappointing folks abandoned him so quickly, but it is typical of our fan base to do so. We have a history of being highly skeptical of the QB position because most only remember our recent history of past QB success. They ignore the pre-championship era where we struggled to find one.

If you do not like Kaep. If you think he isn't going to make it. You are entitled to your opinion, but I, and others likely, are entitled to ours as well. One other thing. There are a lot of silent digs in this thread toward the Kaep fans. I suspect the Kaep fans are doing it toward the anti-Kaep fans as well. We need to cut that s**t out. This forum will be here long after most of us stop posting. It is bigger than all of us. If we all keep that in mind, we will all be better for it.

In your honest opinion: you think Kaepernick could go 1 td 10 ints and even be on the roster the next year? You think Kaepernick could basically get what 3 or 4 OCs fired and still even be on the roster the following season? You think Kaepernick could have 5 straight seasons of sub 82 QB ratings and not get burned alive?

And more importantly, please answer this. Do you think Kaepernick, if he does leave the 49ers, would get the kind of well wishes and respect that Alex Smith got? There were a lot of 49ers that thought it was time to move on from Alex Smith after 2012 and didn't think much of his skill set, but very few disrespected Alex Smith, the man. Now ask yourself, will Kaepernick receive the same courtesy or will people in 49er land wish him nothing but the worse when the day comes?

Originally posted by MannySoopa49ersnMD:

How dare u say Kaep needs to help the team? Did you watch the Super Bowl or any other game where the team only won or stayed competitive in a game because of Kap?

Some of you guys are completely delusional and arent half as smart as you think u are

In 4 years of playing how many games did we win solely because of him? A few dominant performances doesn't excuse everything else.

Originally posted by fropwns:
I disagree. People knew his flaws, but overlooked them; and they did so because we were winning. As soon as the wheels started to come off, when we went 8-8, it gave fuel to those that noticed the problems Kaep had with certain aspects of his position. This season that crowd pointed out and crowed about his apparent lack of skills or regression. Part of this is Kaep, part of it was Harbaugh and Tomsula, and part of it was ownership. I think the guy can straighten up parts of his game and I will cheer for him to do so. I find it disappointing folks abandoned him so quickly, but it is typical of our fan base to do so. We have a history of being highly skeptical of the QB position because most only remember our recent history of past QB success. They ignore the pre-championship era where we struggled to find one.

If you do not like Kaep. If you think he isn't going to make it. You are entitled to your opinion, but I, and others likely, are entitled to ours as well. One other thing. There are a lot of silent digs in this thread toward the Kaep fans. I suspect the Kaep fans are doing it toward the anti-Kaep fans as well. We need to cut that s**t out. This forum will be here long after most of us stop posting. It is bigger than all of us. If we all keep that in mind, we will all be better for it.

Good post!

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by sevenup3000:
The sad thing about it is that if Kaepernick was Tannehill, or Ryan, or Stafford, or Cousins...both the franchise AND fanbase would be more than willing to be patient because at the end of the day...Kaepernick would be "their guy" and they would be rooting for him to succeed, personally. That is what separates Cousins from RGIII; a Kaepernick from Gabbert; a Bridgewater from Carr.

For some odd reason, their fanbases only want to be associated with RGIII, Kaepernick, Bridgewater, Newton, Wilson, etc. IF THEY ARE WINNING AND PLAYING WELL. The minute they are not...their fan bases are completely done with them. They are not INVESTED in the INDIVIDUAL. They do not particularly desire for them to be successful, and already have their preconceived notions regarding them, which is dramatically different from the way Cousins, Tannehill, Cutler, Luck, Carr etc. fan base feel about them. Despite the fact it could be argued that the former has accomplished 10x more than the later.

And the same will hold true for Winston. Let Tampa Bay fail to get to the playoffs next year. I promise you there will be LOUD voices in Tampa Bay screaming to bench Winston...the same as Kaepernick.

How many games do you think Kaepernick would last if he were Alex Smith in the first part of his career? What about Carr? Tannehill? Eli Manning?

I really hope the season of RGIII and Kaepernick, and how quickly and decisively their fan bases turned the backs on them, allowed FAR FAR greater leeway for their less talented, less accomplished backups, really opens a lot of eyes--both NFL fans and NFL players.

You appear to be very cautiously playing the race card. All of the QBS receiving patience in your example are white, all of those that you assert have not (or will not, lol) received a fair degree of patience are not.

I find this assertion lazy and weak. SF fans sh1t on Steve Young for years, and doesn't get any whiter than BYU. Obviously, he deserved more patience than he received from this fanbase. He was the best QB in the league, and he still got crapped on by 49er fans who thought Joe won a SB everytime he picked up a football.

There were as many 49er fans killing Alex Smith than there have been piling on Kap. Attitude matters, too. I think Kap's a real good (but shy) dude who's trying too damn hard to look cool and hard, and he comes off like a childish a55hole. Fans put up with it while he was winning, but that sh1t grates while the team is losing and fans want answers.

Excellent points.

Steve was really hated by many until he won.

Alex was blasted and mocked in the Zone on an hourly basis.

IMO, Kap is a very immature guy and needs a mentor to guide him

As a QB - if he can get us back to promenance and win a SB then great!

If not

Bottom line is, I fully believe that Chip will welcome and allow everyone to compete.. now, if any player can not meet the expectation, then we can all just sit here, post, and wish them the best of luck..

Baalke may still be in total control, but that wont stop Kelly from building his type of team together..