Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by InsertNameHere:

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by jreff22:

He didn't play good last year. Played worse this year. The downward trend is obvious. If he pulls an Alex and drops his salary to say 8-10 mill I wouldn't mind him staying and getting another shot. But we can't keep him at 16? mill to possibly start. We need the cash to improve now.

Kaep's salary isn't keeping us from doing anything. This isn't like years past when we were so close to the cap. We have a massive amount of cap space.

Exactly.

It makes me laugh when dumb asses talk about his salary as if they are the one paying it. As long as he's not holding the team back from signing players then STFU!

No...it isn't dumb, this is the very basics of how a roster is constructed, every player has a value at which they are worth retaining. Kap has now reached a salary where his level of play demands that he be a kind of talent that makes players around him better. That is what it means to be a franchise QB, if he is going to get paid at that level there is going to be less money to pay for talent to surround him with. It means he will have to be the kind of guy who can do more with less. This is a fact...it is irrefutable. His cap figure is certainly going to hold the team back from signing players, to say it isn't is just foolish. Kap right now is the kind of guy who should be making low end starter money so that we can surround him with the kind of support he needs to be successful. It is possible a new coach can fix what has gone wrong with him and he can make it back to that upper echelon status but right now the guy is not an 18 million QB. Him getting paid like one though could be the difference between having another bargain basement O line next year once our roster is all complete and we come up 8 or 10 million short and can't land a couple of guys we want to sign.

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by jreff22:

You have 0 idea on how a new HC would view him. He either drops his salary or he's gone. We can get the same if not better production from Gabbert for a fraction of the cost. That's not being a capologist, it's being intelligent.

And neither do you. What has Gabbert EVER done? Please list his resume. He is paid what he is paid because of that. But who cares? He's cheap. Jed, is that you?

He is performing currently at the same level as a guy slated to make over ten million more than him which is enough scratch to sign at the very least a much better guard or center and still get the same level of QB play. This is the very basis for how a roster is constructed. The new coach has to decide right away, of he can fix Kap and get him back to being worth that money, great...but if he doesn't think Kap is the right fit for his offense or that Kap is truely done, you can't go into the offseason paying that bill because you will lose out on another talent who can actually help your team.

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Ok Einstein, why was Gore, Lee, Iupati, etc let go? Because we didn't have the cap room to sign them/keep them on bigger contracts. Would you rather have Gore and Lee back or Kap sitting on the bench?

*sigh*

Lee wanted to be near his child. Iupati wanted way too much money and Frank was old. Fitting that you are blaming all of that on Kaep. Kaep signed a team friendly deal so we could sign players. The space was there and look what we got. You should blame the GM, not the QB.

The deal is team friendly in that we can drop him without penalty...it is by no means cheap year to year.

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
The deal is team friendly in that we can drop him without penalty...it is by no means cheap year to year.

No. He left money on the table so the team would be able to use that free space to get players. They got crap. I mean, this is well known.

Originally posted by jreff22:
If we had another 10 mill on the books good chance we keep at least one of them. Would you rather have Gore or Mike Davis playing?

We had space this year, why didn't we use it to improve the team?

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

The deal is team friendly in that we can drop him without penalty...it is by no means cheap year to year.

No. He left money on the table so the team would be able to use that free space to get players. They got crap. I mean, this is well known.

What money? He is being paid 18 million and it goes up from there. It isn't well known....you just think he is a bargain because you love him so much.

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by jreff22:

If we had another 10 mill on the books good chance we keep at least one of them. Would you rather have Gore or Mike Davis playing?

We had space this year, why didn't we use it to improve the team?

It's long term cash. Kaps salary "erased" this year and next year would've been enough buffer to keep Gore. I'm not saying Kap can't stay, I'm saying his salary needs to come down to reality. A maybe starter doesn't get paid like that.

Would Payton want Kaep back? I know Chip Kelly would. I still feel its gonna be Chip Kelly

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
What money? He is being paid 18 million and it goes up from there. It isn't well known....you just think he is a bargain because you love him so much.

When did I ever call him a bargain? You seem to be arguing with ghosts. Hate it when other posters butt into conversations that they aren't apart of.

Originally posted by ElephantHaley:

Would Payton want Kaep back? I know Chip Kelly would. I still feel its gonna be Chip Kelly

Nobody wants Kelly. Trent needs to do 2 things to save his job. Have an A+ draft and get the best coach on the market.

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by jreff22:

If we had another 10 mill on the books good chance we keep at least one of them. Would you rather have Gore or Mike Davis playing?

We had space this year, why didn't we use it to improve the team?

We were much closer to the top before all the retirings and by then it was by and large too late to go after much in the way of high end replacements. We are actually in a pretty good place money wise for next year and should be able to be agressive...but that doesn't mean you throw away money on an 18 mil QB if you aren't absolutely certain you can fix him.

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

What money? He is being paid 18 million and it goes up from there. It isn't well known....you just think he is a bargain because you love him so much.

When did I ever call him a bargain? You seem to be arguing with ghosts. Hate it when other posters butt into conversations that they aren't apart of.

It is a public forum and you replied to me....get off your high horse.

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

What money? He is being paid 18 million and it goes up from there. It isn't well known....you just think he is a bargain because you love him so much.

When did I ever call him a bargain? You seem to be arguing with ghosts. Hate it when other posters butt into conversations that they aren't apart of.

It is a public forum and you replied to me....get off your high horse.

Also you litterally said he left money on the table

Originally posted by ElephantHaley:

Would Payton want Kaep back? I know Chip Kelly would. I still feel its gonna be Chip Kelly

Hard to say...it isn't like any of these guys are on record. We are just fans speculating.

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by jreff22:
The complexity of the system will be the main issue. A new HC won't dumb down a system for a guy making that kind of cash.

Stafford is playing miles better with a dummed down offense. Look. Unless you're a Brady, Brees, Rodgers, etc...basically guys who have played for many years in the same system, you're going to run some version of a dumbed down offense.

Wait a minute. Didn't we simplify the Offense for Kap? To the point where AZ S Mathieu said he was completely predictable?