Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

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I'm only posting this because anti Kap posters make it sound like he's never made a deep pass or completed one with touch. I think the real problem is our horrible make shift coaching staff. He can make the throws. And its not that he can't read a defense, its that we are poorly schemed and prepared, so he problably doesn't really know what he's seeing. He's still a relatively young QB. He was only 4 years in at the start of the season and very raw out of college. My biggest issue with Kap has always been his pocket presence and movement though.

He made some really nice throws in that game.

Sums it up perfectly...

Originally posted by Buchy:

Originally posted by Crown:

Originally posted by ElephantHaley:

I don't blame Kap. Not that its worth anything because Kap knows he's a goner anyway. Man we had a great thing going from 2011-2013 but York and Baalke effed it all up

i grew sour on Kap through the first part of this season but yes...was a great thing going.

You don't win on the road in Green Bay in the playoffs and suck....(although not being able to beat seattle was a crime)

To be fair though dude, can you name one player on offense other than Kap who did something worthwhile vs Seattle? In that 2013 NFCCG there wasn't one other player on offense who showed up and made plays.

I think it's time to move on from Kaep, but I was at that NCCCG in 2013 and could not believe my eyes. Kaep was so far and away the best player on the field that day. I'll always respect and admire that.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
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I'm only posting this because anti Kap posters make it sound like he's never made a deep pass or completed one with touch. I think the real problem is our horrible make shift coaching staff. He can make the throws. And its not that he can't read a defense, its that we are poorly schemed and prepared, so he problably doesn't really know what he's seeing. He's still a relatively young QB. He was only 4 years in at the start of the season and very raw out of college. My biggest issue with Kap has always been his pocket presence and movement though.

He made some really nice throws in that game.

kap played some awesome games, but he was mentally checked out this year. and he has ALWAYS sacked himself whenever there is pressure. he never throws the ball away instead of running around in circles til he gets caught or just tucking in and waiting to get sacked.this year he had a horrible time throwing people open, he would wait til they were wide open and then throw it and the defense would correct and wait for the easy pick or deflection. that offseason with warner set him back, he over thunk everything instead of just being himself

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
kap played some awesome games, but he was mentally checked out this year. and he has ALWAYS sacked himself whenever there is pressure. he never throws the ball away instead of running around in circles til he gets caught or just tucking in and waiting to get sacked.this year he had a horrible time throwing people open, he would wait til they were wide open and then throw it and the defense would correct and wait for the easy pick or deflection. that offseason with warner set him back, he over thunk everything instead of just being himself

Sounds like a QB with no confidence. Kaep used to always throw his receivers open. He'd make backshoulder throws, etc. People are focussing on the wrong things IMO. It's not about Kaep playing like crap against good teams. It's about WHY Kaep's play has fallen off? Well, the head coach is getting sacked today so that's a huge reason among other things.

I thought he sucked during the season but he deserves one last chance. Not sure anyone can succeed with this staff and line.

There's something I don't understand - under what circumstances does it make sense for another team to trade for Kap? I can see how it would be a net positive for the Niners to make a trade, but why would another team trade for Kap given the big question mark about his play this year and the moderately hefty contract that the other team would have to take on?

It seems like the Niners would not want to pay Kap under those contract terms, either. It just seems like the most likely scenario is one where they let Kap go in the spring (assuming his shoulder is deemed healed up enough to let them do that), so why wouldn't a team that was interested in Kap just wait til he is let go? Most likely they could get Kap for a much lower contract than if they traded for him.

I suppose the Niners management could try to renegotiate their contract with Kap to much lower terms than the contract he has now, but I suspect they really aren't interested in keeping him and I don't see why Kap would be interested in coming back to the Niners under this management anyway even if the management wanted to renegotiate a new contract with him.

I just want to say that I think it is entirely possible that given the right situation with the right coaching that Kap can be a solid to very good starting NFL quarterback and would probably at least make a reasonably good backup quarterback, so I can see why another team would be interested in signing him up after he is released by the Niners. I just don't get the logic of why they would trade for him. Can someone explain to me why another team would trade for Kap?

Originally posted by 49erphan:

There's something I don't understand - under what circumstances does it make sense for another team to trade for Kap? I can see how it would be a net positive for the Niners to make a trade, but why would another team trade for Kap given the big question mark about his play this year and the moderately hefty contract that the other team would have to take on?

It seems like the Niners would not want to pay Kap under those contract terms, either. It just seems like the most likely scenario is one where they let Kap go in the spring (assuming his shoulder is deemed healed up enough to let them do that), so why wouldn't a team that was interested in Kap just wait til he is let go? Most likely they could get Kap for a much lower contract than if they traded for him.

I suppose the Niners management could try to renegotiate their contract with Kap to much lower terms than the contract he has now, but I suspect they really aren't interested in keeping him and I don't see why Kap would be interested in coming back to the Niners under this management anyway even if the management wanted to renegotiate a new contract with him.

I just want to say that I think it is entirely possible that given the right situation with the right coaching that Kap can be a solid to very good starting NFL quarterback and would probably at least make a reasonably good backup quarterback, so I can see why another team would be interested in signing him up after he is released by the Niners. I just don't get the logic of why they would trade for him. Can someone explain to me why another team would trade for Kap?

It doesn't make sense, except that if someone was keeping an eye towards wanting him, they wouldn't want to wait till June to start negotiations with him as an FA. His agent is smart. If someone wants him, Kaep will make it known he would agree to renegotiate his salary to go to specific situations. No one will pay him what his current contract is worth. If he understands that, and I know they do, it would be in everyone's best interest to have him do a smooth transition so he could get into a new TV on time. Going into the open market for him could be a crap shoot.

I look at it this way, what the difference between kaepernick and can newton? Nothing. They are the same type of QB but Carolina installed an offense that plays to his strengths and the things he does best. The 49ers are not doing that. If a coach would come in and let kaepernick do what he does best and not force him into something he's not, he could be very successful.

Originally posted by steiber:
I look at it this way, what the difference between kaepernick and can newton? Nothing. They are the same type of QB but Carolina installed an offense that plays to his strengths and the things he does best. The 49ers are not doing that. If a coach would come in and let kaepernick do what he does best and not force him into something he's not, he could be very successful.

Two years ago almost everyone on this board thought Kap was much better than Cam. Cam had one or two pretty poor seasons, yet now he's the league MVP. Like I said, even great players have down years. And like another poster said, Kap completly lost his confidence this year. You could see it on his face. Imagine being coached by Harbs the winner, then JT the Dline neandertal.

Originally posted by steiber:
I look at it this way, what the difference between kaepernick and can newton? Nothing. They are the same type of QB but Carolina installed an offense that plays to his strengths and the things he does best. The 49ers are not doing that. If a coach would come in and let kaepernick do what he does best and not force him into something he's not, he could be very successful.

They're similar but different as well if that makes sense, but you're right. Carolina installed an offense built around Cam's strengths. 9ers tried to force Kaep into an offense that does the opposite. IMO that's BAD coaching and management. I have never understood why people had such hard ons for drop back, mediocre pocket passers. There are maybe 10 above average pocket passers in the league. The rest are mediocre/bad. If you look at the successful QB's, they play in offenses that are built around them.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Two years ago almost everyone on this board thought Kap was much better than Cam. Cam had one or two pretty poor season, yet now he's the league MVP. Like I said, even great players have down years. And like another poster said, Kap just checked out this year. Probably for the same reasons so many players left or retired. Poor coaching and poor moral.

I think what's sad is we have all pretty much come to the conclusion that management is terrible. Oline is terrible, virtually every part of the offense is terrible and the offense is in shambles...yet we expected Kaep to have a good year? Kaep had an up and down year where the lack of perparation and gameplanning really hurt him against good defenses. Kaep has always been good against Arizona. In comes JT and Geep and he has the worst game of his career. Kaep isn't blameless, but in the NFL you need structure, he had none this year.

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Two years ago almost everyone on this board thought Kap was much better than Cam. Cam had one or two pretty poor season, yet now he's the league MVP. Like I said, even great players have down years. And like another poster said, Kap just checked out this year. Probably for the same reasons so many players left or retired. Poor coaching and poor moral.

I think what's sad is we have all pretty much come to the conclusion that management is terrible. Oline is terrible, virtually every part of the offense is terrible and the offense is in shambles...yet we expected Kaep to have a good year? Kaep had an up and down year where the lack of perparation and gameplanning really hurt him against good defenses. Kaep has always been good against Arizona. In comes JT and Geep and he has the worst game of his career. Kaep isn't blameless, but in the NFL you need structure, he had none this year.

sorry I totally changed up my post....LOL

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
sorry I totally changed up my post....LOL

I still agree, though. Kaep lost his confidence. Lost his confidence, then the team took a dump on him. Poor guy.

the same people keep yelling from the mountain tops that Kaepernick is not worth 12mil or whatever....and some other posters after hearing that over and over, along with media "reports"/opinions that he will not be here next year bla bla bla...seem to believe it as well.

2015 Kap might not be worth that much, and some can argue about last year... even though far more worse QBs have been paid more.

But a QB who has won in the playoffs....is worth that much. Yall can hate Kap, or maybe you just don't believe in him....but that is the truth. You see these same Top QBs make the playoffs and win none... to maybe one playoff game.

if the new HC or GM feel that this 2015 had more to do with these inexperienced coaches and horrible Oline...than Kaepernick being the reason. Then I'm sure the new people in charge (including Baalke, who might be back..and had his little private convo with Colin) would rather pay Kaepernick regular starter money and see what they really have.....while still trying to see what they have in Gabbert and a draft pick (mid round)

and this is all without taking into consideration that Kaepernick was playing injured because the coaching/medical staff didn't take it serious.

Yall can call me a fanboy or the usual "Kap is gone" responses....and frankly I don't think it matters to Kaepernick if he is gone... but I'm just saying, just don't be too surprised if that is not the case.

this is not a post about what we should do...and you shouldn't respond with what you would do.... but more so what do you think the next Head Coach who needs to look out for himself, would do.

Originally posted by steiber:
I look at it this way, what the difference between kaepernick and can newton? Nothing. They are the same type of QB but Carolina installed an offense that plays to his strengths and the things he does best. The 49ers are not doing that. If a coach would come in and let kaepernick do what he does best and not force him into something he's not, he could be very successful.

ridiculous laep has never been a good pocket passer who went through reads and read defenses well he dominated due to superior athletic ability and dont get me wrong he has had his moments in the pocket but he was never consistant at this and now teams have found out how to guard those type of qbs(not just kaep) to keep his edge he had to round his game out and has failed to do so