Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Has Alex ever accounted for 444 yards and 4 TDs on his own? I think Alex is the one that's never matched Kaps performances.

You know you're a POS QB when Troy Smith was auditioned to send you packing, and a Vince Young clone did send you packing.

Well he had 378 yards and 4 TDs PASSING + 57 yard rushing against the Colts in a Wildcard game they should have won if his defense showed up.

Stafford passes for tons of yards and TDs, but he too got benched and many Lions fans are done with him.

While we're talking about things one player has done that the other hasn't: Kaepernick has never earned any Pro Bowl appearances. Smith has.

He got benched?

So now nobody is arguing that kap should be benched. But in the start of his implosion, with 4 INTs , 2 for TDs, the $64 question is why was he not taken out BEFORE all that happened? JT will say he wanted to see kap "play his way out of it". The fact is, however, that the correct approach was to have taken kap out BEFORE all that fiasco was done happening. This was a major league F.U. by HC, and it presaged all that came after that. Good DL coach yes...but HC, no way. Regardless what happens from here on out, we need not a HC, but a spectacular HC, and that is not JT. He is adequate, but nowhere near the quality we need to climb out of this massive hole.

Our loss of 9 starters, via retirement, injury, or in ADs case, he just wanted time off....that is a lot more to overcome than most have stated. Among that group were mostly all pros, and you don't replace massive all pro losses with untried OLs, DL, RB, LBs, nor DBs. We are in a massive talent deficit at present, and need top flite coaching to help us return to a competitive team. JT is just not the guy to shepherd this rebuild. We need clever, experienced, and talented HC to get back to respectability.

Not recommending JT be fired now, as this season is lost ....well, almost. But JT has not business returning for next yr. Mishandling kap when he was obviously tanking is just one example of HC mismanagement. I understand it, but it was the wrong move....a horrible negligent move where kap was concerned. So please, no mor talk about JT being here next yr, because he better not be....or this franchise is going to be feckless for the next 5 yrs.

Originally posted by Jcool:
He got benched?

Yes

Originally posted by BuZzB05:
I dont interested on Stafford cuz he has with megan that Stafford was embarrassing and lost games that suck. He is not a great quarterback for leader team.

couldn't have said it better

In response to where kap is going to be next yr, there are 3 good possibilities. All require a top notch, OC/HC that is a proven builder of QBs. One has not proven that but runs a scheme where kap could do well. So top to bottom, the places where kap would have the best shot of doing well, which implies, learning from the ground up how to play Qb:

Best at #1: Bellichek

#2. Sean Payton

and #3 based on scheme plus an excellent coach, Chip Kelly.

and 4th would be Bruce Arians
Note that except for Philly, Kap would have to sit , learn and listen. He would be with great OC/HC in any of these places, and that is what he needs. Philly alone is the one place he might start, so that would be the least desirable place for him. He also would have in the other 3 teams , top notch QBs to learn from. Not so in Philly.

Now there are other franchises desperately in need of a QB :

Jets Jets and Bills he could start, but no OC/HC nor experienced QB to learn from. Both bad choices.

Bills see above

Cleveland might as well stay in SF than go here.

Redskins He could start here but no QB to learn from and not the OC/HC he requires to learn from.

Rams No OC/HC nor experienced QB to learn from

Dallas Tony Romo playing well, but injuries have been rough on him...and he is getting older quickly. Good learning place for kap.

Detroit Det and Chi both have starters, who may not be there next yr, and both would be starting opportunities for kap, but he should avoid both.

Chi see above.

So given the best of all worlds, there are at least 7 places he might be able to start, but all would be bad ideas for him. The very best places for kap to go would be the 4 up top plus Dallas would be a 5th possibility. The Philly deal would NOT be good for kap, but again, he could start there. His 3 best are bellichek, payton, and Bruce Arians. Kap is done here and it will be interesting, will he go for the experience, and learning, or will he go for the team where he starts.

My guess is he does the latter, starts immediately, and does a SF redux...ie, the places he starts immediately, would hasten the end of his career. Will be fascinating to see what kap decides. I might add, that is IF bellichek, payton, or ARians are even remotely interested in kap...and I wouldn't bet on any of the 3 being interested. Ergo outlook for kap...not very bright long term.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
So now nobody is arguing that kap should be benched. But in the start of his implosion, with 4 INTs , 2 for TDs, the $64 question is why was he not taken out BEFORE all that happened? JT will say he wanted to see kap "play his way out of it". The fact is, however, that the correct approach was to have taken kap out BEFORE all that fiasco was done happening. This was a major league F.U. by HC, and it presaged all that came after that. Good DL coach yes...but HC, no way. Regardless what happens from here on out, we need not a HC, but a spectacular HC, and that is not JT. He is adequate, but nowhere near the quality we need to climb out of this massive hole.

Our loss of 9 starters, via retirement, injury, or in ADs case, he just wanted time off....that is a lot more to overcome than most have stated. Among that group were mostly all pros, and you don't replace massive all pro losses with untried OLs, DL, RB, LBs, nor DBs. We are in a massive talent deficit at present, and need top flite coaching to help us return to a competitive team. JT is just not the guy to shepherd this rebuild. We need clever, experienced, and talented HC to get back to respectability.

Not recommending JT be fired now, as this season is lost ....well, almost. But JT has not business returning for next yr. Mishandling kap when he was obviously tanking is just one example of HC mismanagement. I understand it, but it was the wrong move....a horrible negligent move where kap was concerned. So please, no mor talk about JT being here next yr, because he better not be....or this franchise is going to be feckless for the next 5 yrs.

Bump.

I called for Tomsula to have the courage to make the move after the pre season, as he could clearly see his qb was playing in a fog. We ask our quarterbacks to believe what they see and act accordingly in this league. The good coaches believe what they see, and act accordingly, even if they have to make the case to the FO to get it done.

Best thing about Kaep getting bench is that maybe next year all this Kaep vs Alex, Alex vs Kaep stuff will be moot. Maybe as a fan base we can all get behind our QB instead of harbor feelings.

Here's my theory...

I think there are some that hold resentment towards Kaep for taking Alex's spot when he led the team to the NFCC and had the team rolling towards the playoffs. I feel some have wrongfully never gotten behind him because the way he lost his job was unjust, and they now never know what could've been.

I also think there are some who hold resentments towards Alex, and fail to see the whole picture that Kaep isn't getting it done. They were sick of Alex and his game manager status and wanted a star. They realize maybe this isn't the case but they have to stick up for him because they wanted that "elite" guy so bad. After years of watching mediocre Alex all they wanted was another Joe or Steve.

IMO

When it all comes down to it, both guys had their chances with the exact same team and both failed. Neither of the guys at their highest were ever statistically tops of the league. Both guys had some good runs in the playoffs but when a play needed to be made, they failed.

Funny thing is, is that both have complete opposite strengths, and complete opposite weaknesses. I think these strengths if utilized right, and a proper team can win a SB. I also think their weaknesses are to glaring for either to ever do it in their own.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by dea49:

Kap's best playoff game was

Yes, but Kap had 1 td, 1 int, was 1 of 5 for 24 yds on the last drive and went 0 for 3 with 1st and goal at the raven 7.
Alex had 3 td, 0 int, 5 of 6 for 85 yds and a td on last drive for the win. He also ran 28 yds for a td on the previous drive bringing the team back twice in the last 2 minutes against Brees and the saints.

And the Saints defense was ranked?

What did Alex do on his final drive(s) the next week?

Saints defense was terrible. The giants had a mean pass rush, alex had multiple chances to drive us downfield in the final minutes but could only throw the ball at a wide receivers feet or overthrow a WIDE open man downfield.

Originally posted by Team49ers:
Saints defense was terrible. The giants had a mean pass rush, alex had multiple chances to drive us downfield in the final minutes but could only throw the ball at a wide receivers feet or overthrow a WIDE open man downfield.

still had a better qb rating than rodger and brees against the same defense

and the reason we lost was ST

kyle williams fumbled twwice

1st fumble let them move the ball 30 yards for a TD - this TD tied the game to put them intoOT

2nd fumble they jut ran 3 times kicked game winining FG in OT

and btw its clear why were talking about a 2011 game some people were catastrophically wrong on kap and now we need a punching bag

Jiks, I don't think resentment toward kap because of alex or the vice versa have anything to do wth kap's lackluster ( to be generous) play. He is playing badly and that is because he lacks the basic QB skills of reading Ds, throwing before the break, finding his receivers, being consistently inaccurate, failure to throw the short pass....and so on. I think the resentment is because of how crappy he has played, and to some extent, the fact that until last week he WAS STILL playing. Obviously he shouldn't have been, so if there is resentment, it is to a HC who is in way over his head.

Realistically, after the first game of the season, kap played like dreck, and did not earn the right to be Qb starter. Yet he remained. This is failure at the top, HC, GM, and if any of us owned the team, Owner. 2-5, and he should not have played past game 4. Three games ago before his complete meltdown he should have been yanked.

Originally posted by harryj:

still had a better qb rating than rodger and brees against the same defense

and the reason we lost was ST

kyle williams fumbled twwice

1st fumble let them move the ball 30 yards for a TD - this TD tied the game to put them intoOT

2nd fumble they jut ran 3 times kicked game winining FG in OT

and btw its clear why were talking about a 2011 game some people were catastrophically wrong on kap and now we need a punching bag

He had the chance to put the game away and he couldn't move the ball at all. Period.

You might wanna go back to see which posters brought Alex's name up. It was the Alex fanboys like it always is.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by dea49:

The biggest choker did it against the ravens in the superbowl!

Culliver? Whitner? Which one?

Culliver was biggest for choke and cost too much s**t. Then 2nd is Brook when he was trying to go that was foul then the throw the TD. I was piss off! And the ref was b******t when someone hit on Crabtree for head to head that legal and foul. The refs stand near there and saw it.. i was like wtf.. ref was pretend not see it.

Originally posted by harryj:

Originally posted by Team49ers:

Saints defense was terrible. The giants had a mean pass rush, alex had multiple chances to drive us downfield in the final minutes but could only throw the ball at a wide receivers feet or overthrow a WIDE open man downfield.

still had a better qb rating than rodger and brees against the same defense

and the reason we lost was ST

kyle williams fumbled twwice

1st fumble let them move the ball 30 yards for a TD - this TD tied the game to put them intoOT

2nd fumble they jut ran 3 times kicked game winining FG in OT

and btw its clear why were talking about a 2011 game some people were catastrophically wrong on kap and now we need a punching bag

If the blame is on special teams, i might as well blame the niners D and specials teams for giving up 28 points to the ravens up until the third quarter. Putting kap and the niners in a position to climb a huge deficit but they still managed to get close enough. Also Lamichaels fumble and randy moss alligator arms for causing the interception to reed.

Even with those mistakes in the giants game, its overtime, tie game and alex had a couple of chances to come up with a drive just to get into FG range but couldnt. At least kap overcame that huge deficit and put us in a position to win it, if we just needed a FG, it would have been game set match.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
He had the chance to put the game away and he couldn't move the ball at all. Period.

You might wanna go back to see which posters brought Alex's name up. It was the Alex fanboys like it always is.

even that rational doesnt make much sense

so did kaepernick against the raven or against seahawks or any other qb

we lost 2 possessions that literally gave giants the win

anyway im done talking about this its not gaining us anywhere the qb in question is not on this team anymore and still has a job

Originally posted by harryj:

even that rational doesnt make much sense

so did kaepernick against the raven or against seahawks or any other qb

we lost 2 possessions that literally gave giants the win

anyway im done talking about this its not gaining us anywhere the qb in question is not on this team anymore and still has a job

All he needed was 18 points. He didn't get it done. He had multiple tries before the losing fumble. He failed when it mattered most.