Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:

I think I found the bridge to explain Kap's success early on and failure now.....hear me out.

So there was an article on Niner Nation that alleges insider info from the Harbaugh administration (some assistant). He claims the team was fully on board with Kap back then and after the SB felt he could improve and become even better. They worked on him for two seasons and could not get any more out of him.

The claim wasn't that he couldn't read defenses or make the throws, but was never able to trust receivers to be open (throw them open....whatever you wanna call it).

Now the largest narrative in the media and casual fans is that defenses adjusted to Colin.

But I felt at best that takes away a bit and not a full destruction. After all, Wilson, RG3, Luck, Cam have all been ADJUSTED to and gotten worse statistically....

I think Kap's early success is as simple as this:

THAT FIRST YEAR, OUR BOY WAS PLAYING WITH HOUSE MONEY.

Life of an NFL backup....for the first few games is always house money. You're NOT supposed to be the starter........so hey, what's the risk of screwing up?

Ballin' out of control against teams that season because worst case scenario he sits. Team wise there was no risk because Alex was still seen as very capable....hell, it was a hard decision to make to begin with.

Finished that tie game ok. Came out blazin against Bears and just kept it up the rest of the way. Only losses were against St. Louis and Seattle prior to the post season. He really did not have a terrible game that season....even the Seahawk game our team was just overwhelmed in general.

So now the offseason........the inevitable trade of Alex Smith. No longer is Smith there for tutoring, but also to push Kap. He's the entrenched starter now, and now the real pressure begins.

That opener against the Packers we saw him play with house money still........and after that we've seen the slow decline we never wanted to see.

So the conclusion here IMHO is we drafted a talented QB in many ways but one that is sadly extremely important.......mental fortitude.

That 2012 team had offensive talent that was damn good. I get the house money angle, but when the team started to deteriorate (OL/WR speed), it greatly affected Kap's ability to find open WRs. The difference between 2012 and 2013 were: no Moss/Crabs/DWalker/Manningham, Goodwin regressed, Iupati injured knee. I agree with how he doesn't throw WRs open consistently. That area of his game has not improved as much as it should have after 2 years.

The main factors contributing to the 'regression' of 2012 Kap versus 2015 Kap is decline in offensive talent, lack of improvement in anticipation, and lack of pocket awareness. Anticipation and pocket awareness are the two things that would help offset the decline of OL and WR. I don't think he regressed as much as the team around him did. His fault, however, is that he also didn't improve as much as he should. imo

I agree the pieces around him regressed too. The problem with Kap was that he is such an oblivious ME ME ME kind of guy is that it swelled his head into believing that it was HIS play that elevated the team when it was the other way around. So because he believes HE'S the catalyst of this offense, he doesn't accept that he is the problem. And like a drunk, he can never get better til he accepts he's a drunk. You can see that attitude by saying, "I'm not out of breath." He still doesn't believe HE has a problem he needs to work on.

Hopefully he respond well when the opportunity to start is presented again.

Originally posted by thl408:
That 2012 team had offensive talent that was damn good. I get the house money angle, but when the team started to deteriorate (OL/WR speed), it greatly affected Kap's ability to find open WRs. The difference between 2012 and 2013 were: no Moss/Crabs/DWalker/Manningham, Goodwin regressed, Iupati injured knee. I agree with how he doesn't throw WRs open consistently. That area of his game has not improved as much as it should have after 2 years.

The main factors contributing to the 'regression' of 2012 Kap versus 2015 Kap is decline in offensive talent, lack of improvement in anticipation, and lack of pocket awareness. Anticipation and pocket awareness are the two things that would help offset the decline of OL and WR. I don't think he regressed as much as the team around him did. His fault, however, is that he also didn't improve as much as he should. imo

Interesting take!

I would say this year has one advantage (WR) but very significant disadvantages.

QB: Same, but played better in 2012 (due to many factors including OL)
RB: Hyde injured, Gore was a workhorse. 2012 wins due to health/stability
WR: 2015 beats 2012...Boldin, Smith, Simpson, Ellington and Patton are a much stronger group.
TE: 2012 wins...VD was healthy and Walker
OL: 2012 by a huge margin. Only two good players this year!
Coaching: 2nd year of the Harbaugh era and all arrows were pointing up...this year is a transition year and painful to watch.

So the only area where this year is stronger than 2012 is WR and that is somewhat debatable. Crabtree, Moss and Manningham were decent but Moss was over the hill...used more as a decoy.

does this guy still suck or what?

Originally posted by ChazBoner:
does this guy still suck or what?

no when gabbert stinks it up, kap will be the second coming again.

Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
The "i'm not out of breath" line doesn't sound good.....

Sounds like a douchebag who's unable to admit he has deficiencies in his game.

although I don't like that he preferred to joke about the comment.... it just sounds to me that he doesn't like the fact that Tomsula is his Head Coach.

Not saying that he's bitter that Harbaugh is not around anymore...but more so, maybe those little one liners that Tomsula likes to use..instead of getting into detail wears on some players.

I don't know, I just see alot of Rodgers in Kap...personality wise (not on the field).... I just get the feeling if Rodgers was presented with this exact question if he were on this team and struggled...he'd answer the same way.

it's like when Nolan was our coach and asked Rodgers and Alex some off the wall s**t.... Rodgers was like WTF?...umm Why?

so if some of us get tired of Tomsulaisims...especially when losing...I just wonder if the players don't look at coach the same way if he is constantly throwing weird short phrases about how to improve...yet they are still losing.

same thing like with Singletary and his ways....after a while, it comes off as b******t if there are no results.

so again, although I'd prefer Kap to leave that out...it does seem like he's tired of it. (in my head, he's wondering why the f**k are we not making changes to the right side of the Oline Coach...with Tomsula responding with his stuttering babel, with no real explanation...and Kap has to stick to being a team player.)

Matt M, asked Kap a good question.... about with so many players struggling, why were you the first to be benched? Kap obviously gave a PC answer.

RIP Blaine Gabbert


#7SACKSCOMING

Dam Kaep was Arrogant in that interview this week. "I'm not out of breath so that comment I don't understand"

LOL Tim Ryan does not like Kaep and puts All Blame on him for offense sputtering.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/tim-ryans-guess-gabbert-wont-be-short-leash-49ers

Originally posted by ElephantHaley:
Dam Kaep was Arrogant in that interview this week. "I'm not out of breath so that comment I don't understand"

Ya, just saw that. Almost basically telling his coach to stfu. Not liking that at all.

Funny thing is he took that literally. Cam Inman had to correct him on what Tomsula was saying. Made Kap look retarded.

Originally posted by NorthBay49er:
KAPS LOCKEROOM PRESSER

Questions, asked by local reporters, are paraphrased and in bold.

Q: What was the conversation like Monday when you found out about the decision?

Colin Kaepernick: "They told me they were going to sit me. That was about the extent of the conversation."

Q: Did you ask why, or were there any reasons given?

CK: "That decision's out of my control and I left it at that. I respect their authority."

Q: Tomsula said Wednesday it was to give you an opportunity to breathe, to take a step back and refocus. Do you think you needed that opportunity?

CK: "I'm not out of breath so I don't understand that reference."

Q: I think he meant mentally and stuff. Did you need a break from all the pressure that's been building up?

CK: "No. I don't believe in pressure. The pressure's not being prepared for what you want to do. To me, I played full seasons, I've played full seasons and been successful. It's something that mentally, I've been through before. I'm not incapable of going through things."

Q: Has this been a hard week for you knowing you're not the starter?

CK: "No. To me that's selfish. To put that on myself on take away from my teammates and away from Blaine. I'll support my teammates, I'll support Blaine, in everything they do because they support me."

Q: A year and a half ago, you had a press conference where you talked about signing a team friendly deal where you could get some of your teammates signed. Do you feel like the team held of its end of the bargain?

CK: "That's not something for me to say. I just try to do my part to try to help this organization, help this team, and do everything I can to try to help us be successful."

Q: Geep Chryst was saying that he didn't think you had the same supporting cast as in 2012, what's your take on that?

CK: "We have a very different team than we did then. We had a lot of veterans, a lot of very experienced players. That had been through a lot of different things and had been through a lot of struggles. So when they stepped on the field, it was with a passion that they didn't want to go back to where they were at before. And that's something, we haven't faced those struggles as a team until now. We have a lot of young players."

Q: It seems like a lot of guys on this team are underperforming, but you're the first person that's really been benched. Do you feel like you're being made the scapegoat?

CK: "I don't pass judgement on that. I do everything I can to try to help this team win, try to support my teammates and try to go out and help us get a W on Sunday."

Q: Looking back on this season, do you go back and think there were times you could have played better?

CK: "Yeah. There's always times you think you can play better. Even in wins, there's things you can do better. I haven't seen a quarterback play a perfect game yet. I'm very critical of myself, I'm very critical of what I feel I can do to help this team. And that's just kind of what it is."

Q: In the back up role are you spending more time going back and looking at yourself, or are you preparing for Atlanta like you would a regular week?

CK "No. I'm still game planning for Atlanta. Still mentally focused and locked in."

Q: Geep Chryst said he thought when you came in 2012, you looked like someone wanting to make some plays, where this year he thought the mentality was to avoid making mistakes. Is that accurate, do you know what he's getting at?

No. I don't believe that's accurate. Every time I step on the field, I step on the field to make plays. But that's just the matter of opinion.

http://www.scout.com/nfl/49ers/story/1608473-transcript-kaepernick-talks-getting-benched

This right here is pure gold.

Way to play right into the current media and fans perception in him. The media couldnt have written a better transcript from fiction to play into the perception of him right now.

In that interview He comes off as a foolish douche bag that has no desire to see and improve on his shortcomings. The very real shortcomings that caused him to be benched. Now that's not to say he doesnt "work" hard. The guy is an athlete and works incredibly hard to maintain that athleticism. I just don't think he knows or has the ability to work hard in the right ways to be a successful NFL QB. Pounding the gym more than anyone else in the building does not mean you are working hard to be a QB.

Running around all stubborn and saying "i played seasons before, im not breathing hard, i don't worry about being benched" does not scream professional QB.

A professional QB would say something to the effect of "yea im pissed i got benched. I know its mostly my fault due to my play, but you know what? I know im a damn good QB and im going to prove it. Im gonna live in the film room and work after hours with my coaches until i earn the starting role back and work my ass off to put Gabbert out of a starting QB job. Me and Gabbert are friends, but im gonna take his job. No, correction, Im going to take MY job BACK"

He seems disinterested in anything outside of pumping up his own ego and telling himself he has no control over his situation.

I know he is a bright kid. Really smart even. But i don't think he has the right mental capacity or makeup to be an NFL QB.

Im sure he will be successful at other things in his life, im just not certain NFL QB will ever be one of them.

Originally posted by Afrikan:
although I don't like that he preferred to joke about the comment.... it just sounds to me that he doesn't like the fact that Tomsula is his Head Coach.

Not saying that he's bitter that Harbaugh is not around anymore...but more so, maybe those little one liners that Tomsula likes to use..instead of getting into detail wears on some players.

I don't know, I just see alot of Rodgers in Kap...personality wise (not on the field).... I just get the feeling if Rodgers was presented with this exact question if he were on this team and struggled...he'd answer the same way.

it's like when Nolan was our coach and asked Rodgers and Alex some off the wall s**t.... Rodgers was like WTF?...umm Why?

so if some of us get tired of Tomsulaisims...especially when losing...I just wonder if the players don't look at coach the same way if he is constantly throwing weird short phrases about how to improve...yet they are still losing.

same thing like with Singletary and his ways....after a while, it comes off as b******t if there are no results.

so again, although I'd prefer Kap to leave that out...it does seem like he's tired of it. (in my head, he's wondering why the f**k are we not making changes to the right side of the Oline Coach...with Tomsula responding with his stuttering babel, with no real explanation...and Kap has to stick to being a team player.)

Matt M, asked Kap a good question.... about with so many players struggling, why were you the first to be benched? Kap obviously gave a PC answer.

This bolded part is the most nonsensical post i have read on the zone this week. Congrats.

Two things about Kaepernick's answers--1) he is not willing to evaluate himself in public, no problem with this as long as he does with the coaches, and 2) he won't take the easy way out by agreeing with the coaches about needing a breather. He holds himself responsible which is great.

I have no idea if CK can accurately self-evaluate but it seems he is a very straight line thinker who doesn't venture far from his focused path...sort of like his vision on the field...no peripheral ability.

So looking forward to seeing what Gabbert will do with this OL!

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
This right here is pure gold.

Way to play right into the current media and fans perception in him. The media couldnt have written a better transcript from fiction to play into the perception of him right now.

In that interview He comes off as a foolish douche bag that has no desire to see and improve on his shortcomings. The very real shortcomings that caused him to be benched. Now that's not to say he doesnt "work" hard. The guy is an athlete and works incredibly hard to maintain that athleticism. I just don't think he knows or has the ability to work hard in the right ways to be a successful NFL QB. Pounding the gym more than anyone else in the building does not mean you are working hard to be a QB.

Running around all stubborn and saying "i played seasons before, im not breathing hard, i don't worry about being benched" does not scream professional QB.

A professional QB would say something to the effect of "yea im pissed i got benched. I know its mostly my fault due to my play, but you know what? I know im a damn good QB and im going to prove it. Im gonna live in the film room and work after hours with my coaches until i earn the starting role back and work my ass off to put Gabbert out of a starting QB job. Me and Gabbert are friends, but im gonna take his job. No, correction, Im going to take MY job BACK"

He seems disinterested in anything outside of pumping up his own ego and telling himself he has no control over his situation.

I know he is a bright kid. Really smart even. But i don't think he has the right mental capacity or makeup to be an NFL QB.

Im sure he will be successful at other things in his life, im just not certain NFL QB will ever be one of them.

LOL .. .no professional QB would say anything of the sort.

I didn't like his answer to the "step back and breath", but the rest of it was honest answers.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Yeah agreed. Kap needs an OL that can protect him for at least 20 sec.

LMFAO