Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by FL9er:
I don't understand how the media is ripping for the 49ers for benching Colin.

I'm not sure Blaine gives the 49ers a better chance of winning, but Colin was losing the locker room, there was a damn near mutiny. They had to do something.

The niners have had a target on their back, even when we were winning

Agreed. No matter what the 49ers do, they will get ripped...especially while we are down in the dumps

people are loving this right now, even some 9er fans are loving this

yeah well they've been holding it in for 4 season..... but eff them.

Originally posted by 49erfeeeever808:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by FL9er:

I don't understand how the media is ripping for the 49ers for benching Colin.

I'm not sure Blaine gives the 49ers a better chance of winning, but Colin was losing the locker room, there was a damn near mutiny. They had to do something.

The niners have had a target on their back, even when we were winning

Agreed. No matter what the 49ers do, they will get ripped...especially while we are down in the dumps

people are loving this right now, even some 9er fans are loving this

yeah well they've been holding it in for 4 season..... but eff them.

Holding it in for 4 years? Couldn't tell by reading this forum. lol

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by 49erfeeeever808:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by FL9er:
I don't understand how the media is ripping for the 49ers for benching Colin.

I'm not sure Blaine gives the 49ers a better chance of winning, but Colin was losing the locker room, there was a damn near mutiny. They had to do something.

The niners have had a target on their back, even when we were winning

Agreed. No matter what the 49ers do, they will get ripped...especially while we are down in the dumps

people are loving this right now, even some 9er fans are loving this

yeah well they've been holding it in for 4 season..... but eff them.

Holding it in for 4 years? Couldn't tell by reading this forum. lol

(poop)

Originally posted by TexasNiner84:
Is it possible that his teammates no longer wanted to play for him? And they were just giving up on plays?

If Vernon was the spokesman, sure seemed to be the case. Think of it from a WRs perspective. Many of our guys have played with other QBs. They bust their butts to get open play after play after play and yet it's rare to get a well placed pass for them to catch.

I predicted right after CK hit Torrey on the slant pattern that resulted in the TD that this would be Colin's best throw of the year. Problem is that it wasn't that difficult of a throw to make.

My guess is that yes the receivers were extremely frustrated but many won't voice their opinions because they are stand up guys. Vernon finally spoke up because he's no longer on the team.

It boils down to two things, you either get better or worse, Kap got worse. When times were good he should have picked up experience for the times when things got bad but he didn't. He was still making the EXACT same mistakes he had from the start. Gabbert isn't the answer by a long shot unless he has cast some sort of voodoo but Kap isn't either and at best will be a journeyman backup QB in this league.

Originally posted by 49erfeeeever808:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by FL9er:
I don't understand how the media is ripping for the 49ers for benching Colin.

I'm not sure Blaine gives the 49ers a better chance of winning, but Colin was losing the locker room, there was a damn near mutiny. They had to do something.

The niners have had a target on their back, even when we were winning

Agreed. No matter what the 49ers do, they will get ripped...especially while we are down in the dumps

people are loving this right now, even some 9er fans are loving this

yeah well they've been holding it in for 4 season..... but eff them.

Don't worry about 49ers fans. Worry about Kap, who has gotten progressively worse every year since he started into the league. Last year you could see Kaps struggles developing and this year it's finally boiled over. Kap is just plain bad this year. I mean God awful.

Originally posted by dea49:
It boils down to two things, you either get better or worse, Kap got worse. When times were good he should have picked up experience for the times when things got bad but he didn't. He was still making the EXACT same mistakes he had from the start. Gabbert isn't the answer by a long shot unless he has cast some sort of voodoo but Kap isn't either and at best will be a journeyman backup QB in this league.

The team around him has gotten worse as well. The only area that has gotten better (marginally) is WR.

Everything else has gotten worse:
OLine - Biggest cultprit
Play calling
Scheme
Game planning
Coaching staff (OC, DC, HC)
Running game

People trot out these buzzwords and sayings with 0 context.

You put your QB at a disadvantage, then bench him when he gets worse? Usually you bench your QB after you try to put him in the best position to win. There's a reason why the media is criticizing the team more than Kaep.

Is there any area of the team that has gotten better? Name one area. Who's to blame for that?

I'm beginning to think this organization never really believed in Kap to begin with. There are some actions or non-actions that raise some eyebrows:

1. Team friendly contract
2. After the contract, even Harbaugh's staff tries to make Kap a pocket passer. Wonder if this was to see if we should commit to him long term.
3. No one cared that he was not focusing on weak areas such as footwork and other fundamentals in the off season. Initially, Harbaugh didn't care but then he did make some remarks about focusing on things other than biceps.
4. Running more with Colin this year...the mantra of "letting Colin do what he does well" and Baalke saying we will be running the ball.

If Colin turns out to NOT be the guy, then the front office played this out very well. Some organizations allow middle of the road QB's to hold them hostage and they die by the QB.

Originally posted by Joecool:
I'm beginning to think this organization never really believed in Kap to begin with. There are some actions or non-actions that raise some eyebrows:

1. Team friendly contract
2. After the contract, even Harbaugh's staff tries to make Kap a pocket passer. Wonder if this was to see if we should commit to him long term.
3. No one cared that he was not focusing on weak areas such as footwork and other fundamentals in the off season. Initially, Harbaugh didn't care but then he did make some remarks about focusing on things other than biceps.
4. Running more with Colin this year...the mantra of "letting Colin do what he does well" and Baalke saying we will be running the ball.

If Colin turns out to NOT be the guy, then the front office played this out very well. Some organizations allow middle of the road QB's to hold them hostage and they die by the QB.

Well, Kaepernick is a Harbaugh project. Maybe that's an issue. I always doubt that anyone in the NFL does anything that hurts the prospect of winning, but you're right - there is some circumstantial evidence for that theory.

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by Joecool:
I'm beginning to think this organization never really believed in Kap to begin with. There are some actions or non-actions that raise some eyebrows:

1. Team friendly contract
2. After the contract, even Harbaugh's staff tries to make Kap a pocket passer. Wonder if this was to see if we should commit to him long term.
3. No one cared that he was not focusing on weak areas such as footwork and other fundamentals in the off season. Initially, Harbaugh didn't care but then he did make some remarks about focusing on things other than biceps.
4. Running more with Colin this year...the mantra of "letting Colin do what he does well" and Baalke saying we will be running the ball.

If Colin turns out to NOT be the guy, then the front office played this out very well. Some organizations allow middle of the road QB's to hold them hostage and they die by the QB.

Well, Kaepernick is a Harbaugh project. Maybe that's an issue. I always doubt that anyone in the NFL does anything that hurts the prospect of winning, but you're right - there is some circumstantial evidence for that theory.

I don't think they are hurting the prospect of winning. I think they want to see if Kap is a long term solution. Each year Kap is tested in a long term solution role, he has failed.

Originally posted by Joecool:
I'm beginning to think this organization never really believed in Kap to begin with. There are some actions or non-actions that raise some eyebrows:

1. Team friendly contract
2. After the contract, even Harbaugh's staff tries to make Kap a pocket passer. Wonder if this was to see if we should commit to him long term.
3. No one cared that he was not focusing on weak areas such as footwork and other fundamentals in the off season. Initially, Harbaugh didn't care but then he did make some remarks about focusing on things other than biceps.
4. Running more with Colin this year...the mantra of "letting Colin do what he does well" and Baalke saying we will be running the ball.

If Colin turns out to NOT be the guy, then the front office played this out very well. Some organizations allow middle of the road QB's to hold them hostage and they die by the QB.

I don't think the FO gets credit for this. Kaepernick was very happy with his contract. He wanted to get paid handsomely if he was successful, but not get paid if he wasn't. He is a stand up guy like that. He was concerned about leaving enough money to sign good players around him and talked about it at the time. He had confidence in his abilities. He wasn't looking for a big payday unless he had earned it.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by Joecool:
I'm beginning to think this organization never really believed in Kap to begin with. There are some actions or non-actions that raise some eyebrows:

1. Team friendly contract
2. After the contract, even Harbaugh's staff tries to make Kap a pocket passer. Wonder if this was to see if we should commit to him long term.
3. No one cared that he was not focusing on weak areas such as footwork and other fundamentals in the off season. Initially, Harbaugh didn't care but then he did make some remarks about focusing on things other than biceps.
4. Running more with Colin this year...the mantra of "letting Colin do what he does well" and Baalke saying we will be running the ball.

If Colin turns out to NOT be the guy, then the front office played this out very well. Some organizations allow middle of the road QB's to hold them hostage and they die by the QB.

Well, Kaepernick is a Harbaugh project. Maybe that's an issue. I always doubt that anyone in the NFL does anything that hurts the prospect of winning, but you're right - there is some circumstantial evidence for that theory.

I don't think they are hurting the prospect of winning. I think they want to see if Kap is a long term solution. Each year Kap is tested in a long term solution role, he has failed.

And using Gabbert for a few weeks will tell them how average Kaepernick is. If BG plays reasonably well even with the current OL then CK is short for this team. If Gabbert gets killed and can't get a first down then attention might turn to the OL.

As Ann Killian said, yes that Ann Killian, the team hasn't drafted serious competition for Kaepernick since they traded Smith away, which is a terrible lack of planning! That's a great point and perhaps the biggest endictment of Baalke as GM. Trading for Gabbert was a good risk, and we will see this weekend how that's paying off. But leaving it up to one failed backup is hardly a way to build a championship team.

Cossell said it right. Kapernick is very talented...just not talented for what is needed from the QB position.

Originally posted by Joecool:
Cossell said it right. Kapernick is very talented...just not talented for what is needed from the QB position.

Kaepernick's body with Montana's brain would be a nice addition to the team.

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Cossell said it right. Kapernick is very talented...just not talented for what is needed from the QB position.

Kaepernick's body with Montana's brain would be a nice addition to the team.

Montana would pass on that. Think he had a good enough career.