Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by Blindfury:
Go back and watch the s**tstorm around Brady last year. He was missing open guys and was not comfortable at all in the pocket which is why there was so much drama around him being benched. They dropped Devey and the rest is history.

Still though, Kaep's off-target throws this year are 2nd worst in the NFL. Mix that with his inability to see the field, right now, and there's no way he can continue. He needs a step back to be able to clear his head, get out of the furnace for a little bit and learn to keep cool and relaxed on the field. Right now, he's no where close to being a cool, calm, collected QB and I don't think there's any playing through it.

Being benched on your 28th birthday is one he'll never forget. Hope he can regain his mojo and be the quarterback he used to be. If not hope he saved his cash.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Still though, Kaep's off-target throws this year are 2nd worst in the NFL. Mix that with his inability to see the field, right now, and there's no way he can continue. He needs a step back to be able to clear his head, get out of the furnace for a little bit and learn to keep cool and relaxed on the field. Right now, he's no where close to being a cool, calm, collected QB and I don't think there's any playing through it.

This. No matter what you think of him, at this point you'd have to be heavily drunk on the Kaepernick Kool-aid to argue that they should keep trotting him out there. Gabbert might even be worse but Kaepernick is playing in a fog and defenses are continually baiting him as they smell blood in the water.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Still though, Kaep's off-target throws this year are 2nd worst in the NFL. Mix that with his inability to see the field, right now, and there's no way he can continue. He needs a step back to be able to clear his head, get out of the furnace for a little bit and learn to keep cool and relaxed on the field. Right now, he's no where close to being a cool, calm, collected QB and I don't think there's any playing through it.

This. No matter what you think of him, at this point you'd have to be heavily drunk on the Kaepernick Kool-aid to argue that they should keep trotting him out there. Gabbert might even be worse but Kaepernick is playing in a fog and defenses are continually baiting him as they smell blood in the water.

the play at our goal line vs the rams finally made me see the light. i am still mad at the powers to be for not even trying to address the number one issue with this team but yes,,, this had to happen

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Still though, Kaep's off-target throws this year are 2nd worst in the NFL. Mix that with his inability to see the field, right now, and there's no way he can continue. He needs a step back to be able to clear his head, get out of the furnace for a little bit and learn to keep cool and relaxed on the field. Right now, he's no where close to being a cool, calm, collected QB and I don't think there's any playing through it.

I'm looking at the cause of that. No doubt Kaep is not playing well...but why? That's what I'm more concerned about. When you figure out why then you can figure out if it can be addressed or not. I personally think he is pressing because he is running for his life. Even with a clean pocket he's pressing. QBs getting hit constantly f**ks with their heads. If the Kaep right now playe din 2012 he would have never started when Smith was cleared to play. While I agree with you that he's not cool or calm...I don't think he gets to that point unless the line is improved and other changes are made on offense. So right now might as well just trade him. I don't see things improving right now. The single most dumbest decision was firing Harbaugh and then replacing him with JT. You put the franchise in the QB's hands, you go out and get a HC who is proven developing QB's. If he's not available you don't fire the previous coach. Too much dumb in this organization. Even the most vocal Kaep detractor has to admit that the organization completely goofed and did Kaep 0 favors. He didn't help his cause much but the org is lost.

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
Sooo let me get this straight. People questioned whether Brady should retire when he had one Devey in his line right? Well we have the equivalent of three Deveys starting for us and somehow Brady would mask that?

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2014/09/21/time-lower-expectations-for-patriots/eaFM5gkSvTbQ2dHZoDbaaP/story.html

I mean, people don't read because they want to push their narrative but Brady and the Pats struggled at the beginning of last season with the same junk we have now. So all the "Brady would have been unaffected" crap can end because he was and the Pats dumped Devey and revamped their Oline midseason (something I was told wasn't possible). Good teams find solutions. I have way more stories too. Can't believe people don't remember this. It was a gig issue. Even Belicheck was questioned if he was going to bench Brady. Imagine that. An Oline making arguably the GOAT look like Ken Dorsey.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2014/09/29/patriots-embarrassed-chiefs/XsWjzeH0fHQS2JWccSF2QO/story.html

Devey was inactive for the worst loss of the Bellicheck era. The Patriots' O-line was horrendous last year, even worse than ours. Guys who were top tier were missing routine plays. Like when Nate Solder didn't even touch Thamba Hali who came around and had a strip sack. But, they found a way to correct that mistake after that game and began rolling. Their O-line issues were about more than Devey - although he didn't help matters. Oh, and this was also the game where they questioned Bellicheck about benching Brady, because he pulled Brady out late in the game a la George Seiftert to Young in 94.

You are right, the Pats did find a way to fix things and get rolling, they started running the ball more effectively and letting Brady call more run plays at the LOS - one thing Kaepernick has struggled with. You could see it on film, that A. Smith would check plays, then we would have effective runs against run stopping fronts. I have yet to see that from Kaepernick.

They also started utilizing some 2 RB sets to let Brady get the ball out quicker and stopped relying on WR's getting open because their receivers were having trouble getting open. Gronk was still recovering from knee surgery and they weren't using Kembrall Thompkins at all. When Thompkins came in, he was able to get a couple big catches down the field and it started to open things up(think of the game against NO). We should already have that with TS. But, when I watched the film of the game yesterday, the Rams challenged us to throw the ball accurately down the sidelines. They played a bump and run single high safety with man-coverage most game, spying Kaep. It was very effective.

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Still though, Kaep's off-target throws this year are 2nd worst in the NFL. Mix that with his inability to see the field, right now, and there's no way he can continue. He needs a step back to be able to clear his head, get out of the furnace for a little bit and learn to keep cool and relaxed on the field. Right now, he's no where close to being a cool, calm, collected QB and I don't think there's any playing through it.

I'm looking at the cause of that. No doubt Kaep is not playing well...but why? That's what I'm more concerned about. When you figure out why then you can figure out if it can be addressed or not. I personally think he is pressing because he is running for his life. Even with a clean pocket he's pressing. QBs getting hit constantly f**ks with their heads. If the Kaep right now playe din 2012 he would have never started when Smith was cleared to play. While I agree with you that he's not cool or calm...I don't think he gets to that point unless the line is improved and other changes are made on offense. So right now might as well just trade him. I don't see things improving right now. The single most dumbest decision was firing Harbaugh and then replacing him with JT. You put the franchise in the QB's hands, you go out and get a HC who is proven developing QB's. If he's not available you don't fire the previous coach. Too much dumb in this organization. Even the most vocal Kaep detractor has to admit that the organization completely goofed and did Kaep 0 favors. He didn't help his cause much but the org is lost.

Oh yes, agree 200% there.

Originally posted by Blindfury:

I'd be willing to put money down on that. I'd even go as far as to say the same group that are making everything about Kaep will do their best to still make it about Kaep when (not if) Gabbert fails.

Lol I agree...Kap needs to sit though just because he has lost all confidence not because he's a awful QB IMO.

This team top to bottom is just garbage and I don't think it's all to do with the QB. Got to blame someone and the QB is the easiest. It's funny because when we were winning people ( mainly Kap haters) would say it wasn't because of Kap but because we are losing its because of him lol.

The ONLY reason this move makes sense is because now we are assured a top 5 pick and if Kap does gets injured SF would have to pay the man.

I don't think anyone is arguing in favor of continually starting Kap. When we talk about o line and coaching issues were not trying to make excuses for him. More so, just trying to say that if we don't get those issues fixed, it doesn't matter who's back there. We're gonna end up ruining another career.

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Still though, Kaep's off-target throws this year are 2nd worst in the NFL. Mix that with his inability to see the field, right now, and there's no way he can continue. He needs a step back to be able to clear his head, get out of the furnace for a little bit and learn to keep cool and relaxed on the field. Right now, he's no where close to being a cool, calm, collected QB and I don't think there's any playing through it.

I'm looking at the cause of that. No doubt Kaep is not playing well...but why? That's what I'm more concerned about. When you figure out why then you can figure out if it can be addressed or not. I personally think he is pressing because he is running for his life. Even with a clean pocket he's pressing. QBs getting hit constantly f**ks with their heads. If the Kaep right now playe din 2012 he would have never started when Smith was cleared to play. While I agree with you that he's not cool or calm...I don't think he gets to that point unless the line is improved and other changes are made on offense. So right now might as well just trade him. I don't see things improving right now. The single most dumbest decision was firing Harbaugh and then replacing him with JT. You put the franchise in the QB's hands, you go out and get a HC who is proven developing QB's. If he's not available you don't fire the previous coach. Too much dumb in this organization. Even the most vocal Kaep detractor has to admit that the organization completely goofed and did Kaep 0 favors. He didn't help his cause much but the org is lost.

This organization was a QB killer for a while until Jim Harbaugh arrived. Alex smith's career was almost totally ruin, but thank Harbaugh his career went back to track. Now the organization fired Harbaugh and went back to the QB killing mode. Kaep might know it, but in a way, he is lucky (career wise not financially) to be able to get away so quickly rather than stuck here for another three four seasons like Alex Smith pre Harbaugh era.

what's the probability Kap gets traded today?

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

I don't think anyone is arguing in favor of continually starting Kap. When we talk about o line and coaching issues were not trying to make excuses for him. More so, just trying to say that if we don't get those issues fixed, it doesn't matter who's back there. We're gonna end up ruining another career.

Exactly

Originally posted by jonnydel:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2014/09/29/patriots-embarrassed-chiefs/XsWjzeH0fHQS2JWccSF2QO/story.html

Devey was inactive for the worst loss of the Bellicheck era. The Patriots' O-line was horrendous last year, even worse than ours. Guys who were top tier were missing routine plays. Like when Nate Solder didn't even touch Thamba Hali who came around and had a strip sack. But, they found a way to correct that mistake after that game and began rolling. Their O-line issues were about more than Devey - although he didn't help matters. Oh, and this was also the game where they questioned Bellicheck about benching Brady, because he pulled Brady out late in the game a la George Seiftert to Young in 94.

You are right, the Pats did find a way to fix things and get rolling, they started running the ball more effectively and letting Brady call more run plays at the LOS - one thing Kaepernick has struggled with. You could see it on film, that A. Smith would check plays, then we would have effective runs against run stopping fronts. I have yet to see that from Kaepernick.

They also started utilizing some 2 RB sets to let Brady get the ball out quicker and stopped relying on WR's getting open because their receivers were having trouble getting open. Gronk was still recovering from knee surgery and they weren't using Kembrall Thompkins at all. When Thompkins came in, he was able to get a couple big catches down the field and it started to open things up(think of the game against NO). We should already have that with TS. But, when I watched the film of the game yesterday, the Rams challenged us to throw the ball accurately down the sidelines. They played a bump and run single high safety with man-coverage most game, spying Kaep. It was very effective.

It just goes to show you how the GOAT* still struggled. To be honest, if Kaep checked into run plays more, would they really help? Have you seen our line's grades in run blocking? They're putrid.

I think the problem here is Kaep is playing badly but his play is a symptom of a bigger issue.

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
what's the probability Kap gets traded today?

Considering the knock on Kap is that the offense has to be simplified for him to functional, what is the probability that he'd be able to pick up another team's offense in half of season?

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Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
I don't think anyone is arguing in favor of continually starting Kap. When we talk about o line and coaching issues were not trying to make excuses for him. More so, just trying to say that if we don't get those issues fixed, it doesn't matter who's back there. We're gonna end up ruining another career.

Exactly

Well hopefully you are fixing those things while someone cheaper is teaching the future guy. That is the ideal. Do I have faith we will do that? absolutely not.