Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by Buchy:

Originally posted by SundayTicket:
The only person not able to have a rational thought or listen to reasoning is you. I replied back to your post with counter discussion, and all you really reply back with is referring to my Philip rivers sentence which was one sentence out of the maybe 8-9 sentences i wrote up. Now the rest of your post is really just attacks, and rehashing the same sentence over and over, without even really bringing anything, as you put it, "logical" to the conversation. At least i think this is a conversation? So again, ill try to "reply" back to your post, but im sure your post will be more stupid nonsense, but your good at pulling me in for another time. Would Brady Struggle behind this O-line? Sure. I haven't denied that. once again your post is so stupid that it doesnt even know what its quoting because your so emotionally attached to kap you dont even actually read what your reading, your eyes are red reading this right now im sure as well. What i laughed at, and did laugh at, is anyone even thinking for a second, that if we had Tom Brady as our Quarterback we would be picking top 5 in the draft. That is the "thought" that i laughed and pointed at. But your very, very good at reading what you think your seeing, rather than reading whats actually put in front you. From what your insinuating, is that you agree with Ninerx, that if we did have Tom Brady, we would in fact be picking top 5. Im just curious though, why do none of the experts, or our front office agree with you? If that was the case, why arent they benching the O-line? Why are all the experts/articles, and now our staff calling for a kaepernick benching because hes playing so poorly. I mean, you must know something all these experts dont right? All i smell is emotional attachment with you being a little too emotionally attached to kaepernick and so you cant even discuss the topic. Ive run out of anything to say because like i said your post really has nothing to even reply back to because your post just has tears all over it and really nothing "logical" in it, except "Boo hoo they beneched my favorite player for sucking" Blame the O-line, Blame coaching, Blame WR's We got a new Defense just please please blame anyone but kap!! its not his fault!. lmfao get over it bro.

Dude you've spouted nothing but hate and nonsense for months now, you know exactly what you meant with the Brady comment because it was part of your whole "A good QB overcomes a bad OLine" fantasy which you've been expounding for months and indeed were using Brady as an example of someone who could do so. I'm excellent at reading between the lines thanks, but in this case it was particularly easy because every post you make is essentially the same. You're just bitter because I pointed out one of the many flaws in your rambling, overly emotional and hate filled rubbish but rather than be a man and admit it you're going to make some flimsy excuse about how that wasn't what you meant.

I'm fine with them benching Kap, at this stage it's better for him but it will make no difference to this organisation now long term. The team may win vs the Falcons with Gabbert, I doubt it, but that will not continue once teams have film on him. However I take issue with your inability to realise how much the OLine is responsible for the poor play all round - an opinion that's been expressed by Deion Sanders, Phil Simms, former Offensive Linemen, a number of former players and statistical analysis sites like PFF and Pro Football Focus. Kap shares the blame but he's not the sole cause, and at this point he's just a convenient scape goat for the front office to cover up the massive mistake they have made in the coaching hires and the way the organisation is run, and citing our coaching staff as experts in the know is at this stage a massive reach.

As for emotion, I think the only overly emotional one here is you - the schadenfreude and delight you take in blaming one sole person on the team is on display for everyone to see and is demonstrated clearly by your constant posting on the subject.

P.S. Not that I'm going to read or respond to one of your posts ever again, but the use of paragraphs would make your ill-conceived rants less painful for those who are more masochistic than I.

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To your first bolded, What am i admitting to again? I do believe Brady can overcome this terrible O-line, and im sure many others agree, that is why our Quarterback who couldnt overcome them is sitting on the bench. And again, Would brady struggle behind this O-line? Sure, Ive said that 3 times now, But that doesnt mean he still wouldnt win enough games for us to get us far away from a top 5 draft pick, which is what this all started over. So again, your post is again a stupid post. But i ask again, What am i admitting to? Because I dont see it, all i see is more crying and no facts.

To your 2nd bolded Ive said the O-line is responsible for some of the problems weve been having, But, kaepernick deserves more of the blame. Why? Well lets see you say the O-line is responsible for the poor play all around. Interesting seeing as Hyde's rushing average is 4.1 and he is beating out other elite RB's like Lesean Mccoy, Eddie Lacy, Matt Forte, oh and Marshawn Lynch. So IMO as well as probably 90% of the sane people out there, I think our O-line and Running game is actually doing quite well seeing as defenses have been stacking the box, blitzing most downs, daring our QB to make something happen in the air. I mean when our supposedly "terrible" O-line is blocking more defenders than they are blockers, how in the hell is Hyde averaging such great numbers? So in other words, lets praise hyde for a good rushing average, but not praise the O-line. But lets blame the O-line for kaepernick playing poorly in passing downs. Interesting and that is a sign that you are emotionally attached to him, and when you deny it and then try to say im the emotionally attached one just proves the point even further lol.. So when do we ever give credit to the O-line? Does hyde need to average over 5 yards a carry like jamaal charles in order for our O-line to get credit? I mean that may be hard seeing as our Quarterback cant pass the ball, so defenses will just keep stacking the box preventing the run anyways. You know what would be great? Maybe see a good passing game that can open up some running routes for our RB. I mean im not sure if you watched the game the other day, but You did see the rams brought literally every player into the box to stop the run with both of our wide outs on the outside waving their arms asking for kap to throw the ball and he didnt? I dont think you did, and even if you did, Theres probably some "logical" reason as to why he shouldnt have thrown that ball.

To your 3rd bolded. Thats fine this "conversation" sucked and your posts were not funny, nor accurate, so I feel like you won in terms of stealing away minutes of my life ill never get back wasted on reading your emotion filled posts. So I dont think ill miss your posts anyways

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Zealot:

So is Kap basically just gonna swap roles with Gabbert on game day? He'll suit up, be in shot at those playcall conferences on the sideline, and be backup QB if needed?

Exactly

Does he get to do anything else exciting?

Originally posted by SJniner7:

Originally posted by Blindfury:
disingenuous post. Kaep has a good 2nd year. His 3rd year was where he faltered a bit but so did the entire team. The entire team has gotten worse since 2012...yet you put all of that on the QB. Well, you're going to get another QB to cry about.

Young, developing QBs are inconsistent. Vets are inconsistent. You have to look at what's out there. Culer, Stafford, Bradford, Tanenhill, all inconsistent, besides Cutler, can't hit deep balls with consistency (how many can?).

9er fans like to b***h about the QB with unreasonable expectations then cry about them when they're gone. The never ending cycle.

I haven't cried about Alex Smith once and he wayyyyy overstayed his welcome. Maybe that makes me (and likely the entire fanbase) less tolerant of Kap, because we don't want to deal with this for 8 years again... He has not improved since 2012, you could say he has gotten statistically worse each year, when "young, inconsistent QBs" are supposed to show improvement. He has relied heavily on a solid run game and fantastic defense. Without those two pieces, he is just another journeyman QB. We did not win because of him, we won in spite of him. He had control of the game at the end of the Superbowl and the end of the Seahawks game, and floundered both times...

You know what i like about Blindfury? You can actually have a conversation with this guy, and its actually an interesting conversation most times. AND hes only 200 posts in

Originally posted by Zealot:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Zealot:
So is Kap basically just gonna swap roles with Gabbert on game day? He'll suit up, be in shot at those playcall conferences on the sideline, and be backup QB if needed?

Exactly

Does he get to do anything else exciting?

He gets to wear a baseball cap on the sidelines. Nah he wont do anything unless they have some specific plays for him to run like he used to do when Alex Smith was our QB but I doubt they would do that, Kaep will be on the bench all game

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Zealot:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Zealot:

So is Kap basically just gonna swap roles with Gabbert on game day? He'll suit up, be in shot at those playcall conferences on the sideline, and be backup QB if needed?

Exactly

Does he get to do anything else exciting?

He gets to wear a baseball cap on the sidelines. Nah he wont do anything unless they have some specific plays for him to run like he used to do when Alex Smith was our QB but I doubt they would do that, Kaep will be on the bench all game

No wearing the beats on the sidelines, right?

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by 9inermaniac:
This team never supports its QB. Its disgusting.

It's funny. And the fans buy into it. Good luck to whichever rookie comes here and is expected to move mountains while the franchise bungles his development.

Here is the thing, yes there is a vocal minority that have irrational hate for the guy, but for most of us we were all in on Kap. We were all in on Alex too. We do back our QB, but we have reached a point where what we are doing now IS NOT WORKING. So to continue as we are and just hope he gets better is a lot like sitting on your couch and hoping your cancer goes away. Wish and pray all you want but at some point you have to do something about it. Playing Kap this year behind the same O-line with the same coaches and even less weapons is only going to make him worse. You keep suggesting firing coaches and fixing the line? well guess what you cant do that midseason, those are moves that have to wait until the year is over to find better replacements. But what you can do is what they do in hockey or baseball, when your goal tender or your pitcher are getting lit up you get them the hell out of there and save their confidence. We should have yanked him within a game weeks ago...now it is too late his confidence is completely gone. He is a shell of what he was. You simply have to get him out of there and see if there is anything left to salvage. If he responds and starts doing and saying the right things and Gabbert is more of the same maybe he gets a chance again by the end of the year to prove he belongs here. But we simply cannot continue how we are and expect things to get anything but worse. Most rational people do not expect much from Gabbert. But Kap is walking wounded right now and asking him to stay in the fight is a disservice to the man and the team around him.

Originally posted by Zealot:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Zealot:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Zealot:
So is Kap basically just gonna swap roles with Gabbert on game day? He'll suit up, be in shot at those playcall conferences on the sideline, and be backup QB if needed?

Exactly

Does he get to do anything else exciting?

He gets to wear a baseball cap on the sidelines. Nah he wont do anything unless they have some specific plays for him to run like he used to do when Alex Smith was our QB but I doubt they would do that, Kaep will be on the bench all game

No wearing the beats on the sidelines, right?

nope, i wouldnt put it passed Kaep to try it though

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Zealot:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Zealot:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Zealot:
So is Kap basically just gonna swap roles with Gabbert on game day? He'll suit up, be in shot at those playcall conferences on the sideline, and be backup QB if needed?

Exactly

Does he get to do anything else exciting?

He gets to wear a baseball cap on the sidelines. Nah he wont do anything unless they have some specific plays for him to run like he used to do when Alex Smith was our QB but I doubt they would do that, Kaep will be on the bench all game

No wearing the beats on the sidelines, right?

nope, i wouldnt put it passed Kaep to try it though

see these are the dumb comments that give firepower to everyone who is b***hing about benching him or talking about racism or ageism or whatever....seriously stick to football or walk away.

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
Here is the thing, yes there is a vocal minority that have irrational hate for the guy, but for most of us we were all in on Kap. We were all in on Alex too. We do back our QB, but we have reached a point where what we are doing now IS NOT WORKING. So to continue as we are and just hope he gets better is a lot like sitting on your couch and hoping your cancer goes away. Wish and pray all you want but at some point you have to do something about it. Playing Kap this year behind the same O-line with the same coaches and even less weapons is only going to make him worse. You keep suggesting firing coaches and fixing the line? well guess what you cant do that midseason, those are moves that have to wait until the year is over to find better replacements. But what you can do is what they do in hockey or baseball, when your goal tender or your pitcher are getting lit up you get them the hell out of there and save their confidence. We should have yanked him within a game weeks ago...now it is too late his confidence is completely gone. He is a shell of what he was. You simply have to get him out of there and see if there is anything left to salvage. If he responds and starts doing and saying the right things and Gabbert is more of the same maybe he gets a chance again by the end of the year to prove he belongs here. But we simply cannot continue how we are and expect things to get anything but worse. Most rational people do not expect much from Gabbert. But Kap is walking wounded right now and asking him to stay in the fight is a disservice to the man and the team around him.

Teams addres line issues all the time mid season though. I know you've seen this before. We saw it last year with Devey getting booted. Teams switch linemen around all the time. I get not making a coaching change midseason but why was the staff there to begin with? A complete cluster f**k.

Anyways, I respect your post.

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
see these are the dumb comments that give firepower to everyone who is b***hing about benching him or talking about racism or ageism or whatever....seriously stick to football or walk away.

All the non-football related posts about him are just

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Zealot:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Zealot:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Zealot:
So is Kap basically just gonna swap roles with Gabbert on game day? He'll suit up, be in shot at those playcall conferences on the sideline, and be backup QB if needed?

Exactly

Does he get to do anything else exciting?

He gets to wear a baseball cap on the sidelines. Nah he wont do anything unless they have some specific plays for him to run like he used to do when Alex Smith was our QB but I doubt they would do that, Kaep will be on the bench all game

No wearing the beats on the sidelines, right?

nope, i wouldnt put it passed Kaep to try it though

see these are the dumb comments that give firepower to everyone who is b***hing about benching him or talking about racism or ageism or whatever....seriously stick to football or walk away.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Fixed

Funny, when Brady was struggling, the line was at fault and they addressed it. With Kaep, it's mostly his fault.

The line is trash at pass blocking. They are trash at run blocking. The numbers are there to support that. the playcalling has been mediocre at best. I'd say the line is at fault maybe 40% coaching staff 30% and Kaep 30%.

Sooo let me get this straight. People questioned whether Brady should retire when he had one Devey in his line right? Well we have the equivalent of three Deveys starting for us and somehow Brady would mask that?

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Sooo let me get this straight. People questioned whether Brady should retire when he had one Devey in his line right? Well we have the equivalent of three Deveys starting for us and somehow Brady would mask that?

No one questioned Brady in that way. He's old. And they simply said when are you thinking about retiring? And he said I'd play another 10 years if I could. Now people can spin it as usual w.e way they want, but the majority of the media were not questioning his play in terms of retiring or not. Peyton manning though is a whole different discussion.

wonder if they ask him to restructure