Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by Baldie:
Glancing to the left and right to check the coverage on your WR's isn't even a "gotta be a smart QB to do" kinda thing. Thats a common sense kinda of decision! I mean if you look at the play, the Rams were coming with an all out blitz and they were not afraid of Kaep because they knew what he was going to do. Obviously, Kaep is messed up in the head. He played better with Harbs, hate to admit it, but has regressed tremendously with this coaching staff. On this play, the OL isn't even to blame, This was all Kaep!! Maybe Gabbert doesn't see the open receivers either....but we'll never know unless Kaep is benched.

This is what I believe pundits are talking about when they say QBs are no longer being taught basic fundamental football in college. I've never heard of a QB not trained to look left and look right as he approaches the LOS. Just a natural automatic part of being a QB. Is this a one off? Or are there examples of his not looking over the past four years?

Since Fisher seemed to count on it I would think this is an area of consistent neglect...which goes back to coaching...or learning ability...or both.

Originally posted by Baldie:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:


Yep. Dewey's fault. Should have given Kaep more time to read the defense.

What does that one play have to do with anything? That play does not make Devey any better than the worst rated lineman in the league. Pears too. Martin is pretty low. Were you one of the astute people that were calling for Brady's benching last year too?

Point is, Kaep's problem goes even beyond the bad of Devey. Even with time that the offense line occasionally gave Kaep he took too long, late thrown balls, missed the open receiver/window, or forced a throw.

This play is more damning because BEFORE the ball is snapped, he can't even bother himself to glance at his receivers, BECAUSE THATS NOT THE PLAY CALLED! He got his play and he's gonna run it.
This can't be blamed on the line AT ALL because he's not even doing what an average NFL QB would do, glance at the defense PRE SNAP. No pressure to blame kaps shortcomings on with this play.

There is no overreaction to this play cause this guy is our franchise QB and this type of crap shouldn't even be a problem with a guy whose been in the league as long as he's been in.

Glancing to the left and right to check the coverage on your WR's isn't even a "gotta be a smart QB to do" kinda thing. Thats a common sense kinda of decision! I mean if you look at the play, the Rams were coming with an all out blitz and they were not afraid of Kaep because they knew what he was going to do. Obviously, Kaep is messed up in the head. He played better with Harbs, hate to admit it, but has regressed tremendously with this coaching staff. On this play, the OL isn't even to blame, This was all Kaep!! Maybe Gabbert doesn't see the open receivers either....but we'll never know unless Kaep is benched.

Gabbert was much more successful in the pre-season. Yeah pre-season doesn't matter to many of you but its all we got going right now. Kaep sucked and preseason and its now translating to the regular season.

Both WR's were wide open, the RCB blitzes. If he had checked to a pass looks like the LDE #97 was in good position to stop it. The entire defense knew the play before the snap. Besides Martin is totally holding #90, he went into his hold right on contact so ...

Originally posted by BuZzB05:

I dont understand why 49ers fans doubt me. They paid to kap for millions. They are stubborn. I told them.. i said hold it. Kap was not legend yet. Next time, they should listen me and trust me. Bro..

I hear you man. I was one of those guys who wanted the niners to not sign him and even franchise him for another year to see what happened when teams figured him out. If they would have done that they could have kept him for peanuts.

Originally posted by Kauaiguy:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
My god do some of you even read...once again nobody is saying Gab will be better. We are saying playing him is what is best for Kap and for the team long term. Leaving a guy who is shellshocked as you put it in the warzone and asking him to simply snap out of it is not going to fix anything. We aren't fixing the line or the coaching this year...so what good is leaving your QB in to continue to absorb hits and further regress going to do?

Yes, we do read:

" He will make the offense much better"
" He gets rid of the ball faster"
" He was good in pre-season"
" He reads defenses better"

I rest my case. Now I'm NOT saying that they should'nt change QB ... so don't READ me wrong!

The bolded statement would be true in context of the bolded and underlined statement which is a factual statement. Again...that was pre-season not a real game. I think most people are qualifying that.

It can only be speculation that he'll make the offense better. But, I can't see how he'll hurt it.

We could also argue that he reads pre-season defenses better. No one knows for sure how he'll do in a real game.

Wont watch another game he's starting

Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:

Originally posted by Baldie:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Yep. Dewey's fault. Should have given Kaep more time to read the defense.

What does that one play have to do with anything? That play does not make Devey any better than the worst rated lineman in the league. Pears too. Martin is pretty low. Were you one of the astute people that were calling for Brady's benching last year too?

Point is, Kaep's problem goes even beyond the bad of Devey. Even with time that the offense line occasionally gave Kaep he took too long, late thrown balls, missed the open receiver/window, or forced a throw.

This play is more damning because BEFORE the ball is snapped, he can't even bother himself to glance at his receivers, BECAUSE THATS NOT THE PLAY CALLED! He got his play and he's gonna run it.
This can't be blamed on the line AT ALL because he's not even doing what an average NFL QB would do, glance at the defense PRE SNAP. No pressure to blame kaps shortcomings on with this play.

There is no overreaction to this play cause this guy is our franchise QB and this type of crap shouldn't even be a problem with a guy whose been in the league as long as he's been in.

Glancing to the left and right to check the coverage on your WR's isn't even a "gotta be a smart QB to do" kinda thing. Thats a common sense kinda of decision! I mean if you look at the play, the Rams were coming with an all out blitz and they were not afraid of Kaep because they knew what he was going to do. Obviously, Kaep is messed up in the head. He played better with Harbs, hate to admit it, but has regressed tremendously with this coaching staff. On this play, the OL isn't even to blame, This was all Kaep!! Maybe Gabbert doesn't see the open receivers either....but we'll never know unless Kaep is benched.

Gabbert was much more successful in the pre-season. Yeah pre-season doesn't matter to many of you but its all we got going right now. Kaep sucked and preseason and its now translating to the regular season.

Both WR's were wide open, the RCB blitzes. If he had checked to a pass looks like the LDE #97 was in good position to stop it. The entire defense knew the play before the snap.

First thing I thought of after this play was Brady had a similar play and quick snapped and quick passed to gronk. Does Brady audible out of the run or does he just see a mismatch and quickly take advantage of it?

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:

First thing I thought of after this play was Brady had a similar play and quick snapped and quick passed to gronk.

Lets not compare trash to gold

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:

Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:

Originally posted by Baldie:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:


Yep. Dewey's fault. Should have given Kaep more time to read the defense.

What does that one play have to do with anything? That play does not make Devey any better than the worst rated lineman in the league. Pears too. Martin is pretty low. Were you one of the astute people that were calling for Brady's benching last year too?

Point is, Kaep's problem goes even beyond the bad of Devey. Even with time that the offense line occasionally gave Kaep he took too long, late thrown balls, missed the open receiver/window, or forced a throw.

This play is more damning because BEFORE the ball is snapped, he can't even bother himself to glance at his receivers, BECAUSE THATS NOT THE PLAY CALLED! He got his play and he's gonna run it.
This can't be blamed on the line AT ALL because he's not even doing what an average NFL QB would do, glance at the defense PRE SNAP. No pressure to blame kaps shortcomings on with this play.

There is no overreaction to this play cause this guy is our franchise QB and this type of crap shouldn't even be a problem with a guy whose been in the league as long as he's been in.

Glancing to the left and right to check the coverage on your WR's isn't even a "gotta be a smart QB to do" kinda thing. Thats a common sense kinda of decision! I mean if you look at the play, the Rams were coming with an all out blitz and they were not afraid of Kaep because they knew what he was going to do. Obviously, Kaep is messed up in the head. He played better with Harbs, hate to admit it, but has regressed tremendously with this coaching staff. On this play, the OL isn't even to blame, This was all Kaep!! Maybe Gabbert doesn't see the open receivers either....but we'll never know unless Kaep is benched.

Gabbert was much more successful in the pre-season. Yeah pre-season doesn't matter to many of you but its all we got going right now. Kaep sucked and preseason and its now translating to the regular season.

Both WR's were wide open, the RCB blitzes. If he had checked to a pass looks like the LDE #97 was in good position to stop it. The entire defense knew the play before the snap.

First thing I thought of after this play was Brady had a similar play and quick snapped and quick passed to gronk.

It's basically a free play. Smith beats one guy and it's a TD.

There's more talk about the QB than the trash line brought in to protect him.

https://twitter.com/PFF_Jeff/status/661246459963027456

" Jordan Devey's -19.5 overall grade on the year now ranks last out of 80 qualifying guards."

The QB is broken....thanks in large part to the line.

Sad. Funny. But sad

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Originally posted by Blindfury:
There's more talk about the QB than the trash line brought in to protect him.

https://twitter.com/PFF_Jeff/status/661246459963027456

" Jordan Devey's -19.5 overall grade on the year now ranks last out of 80 qualifying guards."

The QB is broken....thanks in large part to the line.

The fracture was already there at qb. Kaep broken since the Cards game.

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
Yeah... we will definitely want a guy who is playing a more pro style of ball...Cook and Hackenberg come to mind. If they are not throwing from the pocket at all being asked to read at least half field coverage we need to take a pass.

I can see it now. We'll reach for a statue that plays in a pro style offense and then look bewildered when he struggles. Rinse and repeat. If we get a player with promise I won't have an issue with it. But my god if we reach for a pro style QB just because, I'll be pissed.

You don't reach...you draft them in the spot where they are slotted...I swear you try to find a b***h about anything that isn't your idea. Which is apparently do nothing about our floundering QB for another 6 months or so and see if he survives and try again next year with a little more protection and a different OC.

Originally posted by InTherapySinceDonahu:

Sad. Funny. But sad

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Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by Baldie:
Glancing to the left and right to check the coverage on your WR's isn't even a "gotta be a smart QB to do" kinda thing. Thats a common sense kinda of decision! I mean if you look at the play, the Rams were coming with an all out blitz and they were not afraid of Kaep because they knew what he was going to do. Obviously, Kaep is messed up in the head. He played better with Harbs, hate to admit it, but has regressed tremendously with this coaching staff. On this play, the OL isn't even to blame, This was all Kaep!! Maybe Gabbert doesn't see the open receivers either....but we'll never know unless Kaep is benched.

This is what I believe pundits are talking about when they say QBs are no longer being taught basic fundamental football in college. I've never heard of a QB not trained to look left and look right as he approaches the LOS. Just a natural automatic part of being a QB. Is this a one off? Or are there examples of his not looking over the past four years?

Since Fisher seemed to count on it I would think this is an area of consistent neglect...which goes back to coaching...or learning ability...or both.

I have to think its learning ability first then coaching. Isn't looking left and right one of the first things about reading defenses? I mean I'm just a die-hard niner fan watching on my couch but most of us know that. Look to see how the CB's are playing your WR's and where the safeties/LB's are at and adjust accordingly. It almost seems like that on every play though. Some QB's just have the passion to get better or they just have the IQ for playing the position. Kaep to me just doesn't have either. Derek Carr, who I hate the team that he's on, is lights out better than Kaep right now. Maybe he's under better coaching or he just has the passion for it...I don't know.