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Sep 3, 2019 at 4:22 AM
Not super familiar with Matt Khalil do roast me if necessary but would he be worth bringing in to be the swing T? Starting LT experience and cut to make room for Tunsil.
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Sep 3, 2019 at 4:52 AM
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Khalil is done
Sep 3, 2019 at 5:38 AM
Sep 3, 2019 at 5:46 AM
Originally posted by NCommand:

Eh, they will still piss all that talent away and go 8-8
Sep 3, 2019 at 5:50 AM
Originally posted by NinerGM:
I never said you said our OL was elite NY. This is what I said:

People don't require elite, you're saying (we're requiring) elite.

In response to what you said:

People wanting elite PP at the guard positions who require high end contracts and top 50 picks probably need to realize it's not happing.

We're being realistic about not having or even wanting elite, that word was never used. How about average?

And then finally.... (from above)

The assumption is being made that we have average PP. That's okay. And here's where there's disagreement. You're calling (wanting) average, "elite."

As far as the LAR, pick a list any list - from PFF to ESPN to NFL.com, all rate the Rams OL in the top 8 in 2018.

Good question around how McVay was able to have one of the best offenses in the league without a top prospect. Coaching, execution and having an over-abundance of talent at skill positions, a great scheme that make up for any deficiencies that might evident within the team. Where was this effective where Kyle ran an offense? Atlanta - where he had an over-abundance of offense skill talent even before he arrived. Both Atlanta and LAR are IMHO, not the 49ers situation at all and comparing the two is apples/oranges. Kyle nor McVay didn't build either squad from the ground up and in Kyle's case wasn't responsible for all personnel decisions, particularly the 53 with the Falcons.

IF I'm building an organization from the ground up and I don't have a great coaching staff (yet), an overabundance of talent at the skill positions, a good, but unproven QB coming off of injury and I want to run the ball, there are two investments that I might have to over-invest until the other parts of the offense understand how to execute; QB and OL.

Again, he can do what he likes and follow the method he think is best, but up until now the path followed has yet to yield desired results.The real question for those still projecting success for this method is how long and what is the threshold under which you start to ask questions? I understand many aren't there yet and that's fine. I really really hope it works out, but like you, we've been watching, following and researching this game for a very long time and building squads isn't new. Innovative offense(s) aren't new either. I do know that if you don't have the coaching/development or durable talent to pull it off, it usually doesn't work. I so want to be wrong and will happily eat all the crow in the world about it.

Okay that first part makes more sense...It was a little confusing. Also I might add, I do disagree some in here do want elite PP guards and to that point, they need to realize who's running the team and how he (and his father) have made their OLs for yrs. That's been my point all along. My comment wasn't directed right to just you.

I do think overall we have an avg PP OL... BUT upgrading the skill positions/QB, not have a -25 turnover ratio (so kyle can run his offense), IMO that will make for a better PP line overall.

So can we use PFF as a list now? or no

Good question around how McVay was able to have one of the best offenses in the league without a top prospect. Coaching, execution and having an over-abundance of talent at skill positions, a great scheme that make up for any deficiencies that might evident within the team

What do you think SF did the past two yrs in regards to getting skilled position players? They used three top 67 picks on WR, They have Kittle now, They've invested in RB both yrs (got f**ked with Jet). Who was there in LA before McVay got there? Their two top WRs were Britt/Austin. The only skilled guy worth a damn with Gurley (who sucked at that pt). Goff looked like trash....it's amazing what some new skilled position players, a proper scheme, leading to better QB play can do for PP REGARDLESS of if the OL talent is just avg... AND that's why I pointed out LAR, because that's the talent level of that OL (AVG) outside of their LT....yet like you said they're top 8 in PFF lists.

Again, he can do what he likes and follow the method he think is best, but up until now the path followed has yet to yield desired results.The real question for those still projecting success for this method is how long and what is the threshold under which you start to ask questions

IMO I don't think you can have a proper assessment of that IOL because of injuries to the center, injury to the QB, a massive turnover ratio issue etc. Also I'm not sure what would be considered "success" to some of ya'll? All I see is QB hits, yet we got teams like ATL/KC/Dallas/Philly/GB all have over 100 QB hits last yr?
Sep 3, 2019 at 5:52 AM
Originally posted by NCommand:

2nd in the league in sacks allowed and 7th most QB hits with 107

FWIW Collins was the 31st ranked OT and will be a top 5 paid OT. Also Collins gave up 16 sacks last yr according to Voch Lombardi, thank god Dallas overpaid this dude
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Sep 3, 2019 at 6:24 AM ]
Sep 3, 2019 at 6:09 AM
Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
Originally posted by NCommand:

Eh, they will still piss all that talent away and go 8-8

yet miraculously they have the cap to resign zeke, dak, smith, cooper and jones
Sep 3, 2019 at 6:10 AM
Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
yet miraculously they have the cap to resign zeke, dak, smith, cooper and jones

If Jones balls out again...they might not have the cash for him. unless they don't plan on resigning Dak.
Sep 3, 2019 at 6:26 AM
They're bringing in Jordan Mills for a visit. 16 game starter for the Bills last year.
Sep 3, 2019 at 6:28 AM
Sep 3, 2019 at 6:30 AM
Originally posted by saniner:

Backup swing tackle with starter experience, he's not very good but it's about what you're gonna find at this pt.
Sep 3, 2019 at 6:42 AM
This unit sucks ass until proven. Not excited at all about this group. Will be telling to see how the interior group plays. 3 years into this this and they haven't addressed the need here. WTH?
Sep 3, 2019 at 6:44 AM
Originally posted by wailers15:
This unit sucks ass until proven. Not excited at all about this group. Will be telling to see how the interior group plays. 3 years into this this and they haven't addressed the need here. WTH?

huh? They drafted a OT top 10, spent $40M on the top center FA, brought in a former 1st rd pick at OG, and just gave an extension to probably our best LT in SF history.
Sep 3, 2019 at 6:47 AM
Originally posted by saniner:
They're bringing in Jordan Mills for a visit. 16 game starter for the Bills last year.

Was he good?
Sep 3, 2019 at 6:49 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by wailers15:
This unit sucks ass until proven. Not excited at all about this group. Will be telling to see how the interior group plays. 3 years into this this and they haven't addressed the need here. WTH?

huh? They drafted a OT top 10, spent $40M on the top center FA, brought in a former 1st rd pick at OG, and just gave an extension to probably our best LT in SF history.

If Richburg can stay healthy, and be the player he was in NY. Then with our C and 2 T's, our OL will be above average. We will just need our guards to be consistent. It all boils down to health.
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