49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by libertyforever:

I was trying to see when you said in your original post that the OL needs to be great in certain things for the Shanahan offense to run properly, if you actually did your research to reach that conclusion. I guess not. That can be your homework for the day.

Ha. Cute.

Originally posted by littleken:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
For those of you who think our oline is bad

#Chargers Week 1 Offensive Line:

LT Trent Scott (2nd-year UDFA, 125 career snaps)
LG Dan Feeney (PFF's No. 80 OG out of 81 last yr)
C Mike Pouncey (No. 29 out of 39 centers)
RG Michael Schofield (Negatively graded in both pass & run block)
RT Sam Tevi (No. 78 out of 80 OTs)

— Evan Silva (@evansilva) September 2, 2019

I don't think collectively, anybody thinks our OL is "bad." Probably rank around in the low 20's personally. It is bad at the things it needs to be great at to properly run the offense Kyle wants except zone blocking to set up play action - really good at that run blocking. But yeah, Chargers have been pounded with OL injuries and poor personnel moves there and it always catches up to them despite how explosive their offense can be at times.

In the 2016-2017 season, what was so great about the Falcons offensive line? That Shanahan offense led the league in scoring and yards per play.

I am pretty sure NCommand meant the OL has to be great in PP. However the Falcons OL gave up 106 QB hits in 2016. That is no way great in PP. Mediocre at best. The Falcons still was great if the the best offense that year. But NCommand somehow complains that our OL should be the priority and is the biggest issue.

Besides Alex Mack that Oline really was nothing special.

Check out @MaioccoNBCS's Tweet: https://twitter.com/MaioccoNBCS/status/1168672204503961601?s=09

Interesting, hope it pays off

Thought I could get the tweet visible, oh well

Says Pope had offers from 4 other teams and ultimately chose the 49ers

Originally posted by 49ersFanCJinPA:

Check out @MaioccoNBCS's Tweet: https://twitter.com/MaioccoNBCS/status/1168672204503961601?s=09

Interesting, hope it pays off

Thought I could get the tweet visible, oh well

Says Pope had offers from 4 other teams and ultimately chose the 49ers

He saw Brunskill, Garland and Skule and said, "That's my team! That one."

Good move.

Originally posted by NCommand:

He saw Brunskill, Garland and Skule and said, "That's my team! That one."

Good move.

You might be right

Originally posted by Hopper:

Besides Alex Mack that Oline really was nothing special.

Who started that year?

Chris Chester, Andy Levitre, Alex Mack, Jake Matthews & Ryan Schraeder?

Yes, please.

Ironically, Mack playing on one leg was, IMHO, the real reason they lost that Superbowl. By the second half, he couldn't physically do anything anymore and BB, the mad scientist he was, started exploiting it.

Originally posted by 49ersFanCJinPA:

Originally posted by NCommand:

He saw Brunskill, Garland and Skule and said, "That's my team! That one."

Good move.

You might be right

Path of least resistance, right? LOL

Sounds like someone did their research when Skule is the only one he'd need to eventually beat out to earn a roster spot. And if this kid has talent, that shouldn't be too hard.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49ersFanCJinPA:

Originally posted by NCommand:
He saw Brunskill, Garland and Skule and said, "That's my team! That one."

Good move.

You might be right

Path of least resistance, right? LOL

Sounds like someone did their research when Skule is the only one he'd need to eventually beat out to earn a roster spot. And if this kid has talent, that shouldn't be too hard.

Skule has not looked great from what I saw. :/ I think we could be in trouble with our lack of depth at OT.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by dj43:

We all know that replacing Joe Staley is in our near-term future. How? When? We don't know.

I am going to suggest the FO has moved on that. Here is why I think that:

What has made Staley so good for so long is that he is really a bulked-up TE. He had the agility/footwork of a TE coming out of college. He added enough muscle to play the power game when needed. However, the key to his game is his feet. It not only works in PP but is ideal for outside ZBS.

So, the 49ers went looking for a converted TE that had good footwork and now needs to build into the pro game. With the signing of Ryan Pope to the PS, the 49ers now have two guys that fit the Staley mold. The other guy is Daniel Brunskill. Both are former TEs. The scouting report on Brunskill is that he has better feet than Pope but needs to add lower body strength to make power moves. That is nearly identical to Staley. The difference with Brunskill is that while Staley had multiple years at TE in college, Brunskill only has one. However, he showed great promise in that one year.

Pope is similar but according to scouting reports, does not have the foot skills of Brunskill. However, he has a bit more power. The choices made by Shanahan's staff confirms that Brunskill is ahead of Pope, but both have potential for the team.

In both cases, there is a pattern that has shown success and fits the Shanahan offense better than some bulldozer-type brought in just to fill a back-up roster spot. Now that all the camp fodder is gone, and reps are more concentrated, expect both of these guys to continue to improve and fill a legit role on the team.

Terrific post , DJ. Think about this...two studs at OT that can move, (with Brunskill and Pope in the pipeline, and both like Joe S in a former life, played TE.), added to 4 TEs, who are all good blockers, kittle being the exception as a 1st class blocker and best receiving TE in the league,, added to Au Jus and Hurd, who both can both block, run and catch passes.....and what do you have?

It sounds like a machine that blocks well, catches, well, runs well, paired with an OC who has no equal in today's game, and ends up being a bunch of heavies that can move, block, catch, and run. But they aren't Trent Brown heavies. They are in the fast but sturdy group, which makes it sound like an O none of us have seen before.

Really ,we have the equivalent of 6 TEs, all blockers, and 4 of which are known as good receivers. We also have 2 OTs who can move and block. Then we have a WR who is a TE and RB, plus a FB who can block like a TE , run like a RB and catch like a WR.

Now i ask you: what does this sound like in the very early beginnings? RZ? Goal line? I just don't see those as problems anymore. Sure there will be exceptions, but...when the RZ Defense loads the box we will have 4 guys on the field who can block or run...or receive a pass.

But mainly, if the above is true, this is starting to sound like the beginning of a juggernaut...and one not easily stopped. And strange as it seems it is based on TEs, not WRs, even tho we have 3 very good WRs...ok, exquisite ones. So a running based offense based on guys who also are great receivers. And at OT, we have not only Joe and McG who can move but also BRunskill and Pope, two OLs who were former TEs to work into the lineup when Joe hangs 'em up.

We all have been trying to figure out what kind of O kyle is running, and now DJ has kindly shown us the way.

If this isn't kyle's Plan, i bet it is darn close. Really well done, DJ. If this is truly kyle's Plan, remember DJ figured it out first. And...it just makes sense. Ok, i am finessing the QB protection here, but i bet all this is based on the ball being gone in under 2.0 seconds.

Let's keep this mutual back-patting going here for a bit...

I have read/heard several NFL observers noting that the current rules favoring the passing game have made the days of the 250+ pound LB a thing of the past. Those big guys just cannot keep up with the speed of RBs/TEs that have become favorite targets in offenses like Shanahan's. Today's LB is

Terrific succinct discussion. But it does remind me of what my dear old Mom used to say about fashions. Everything comes back again.

Bill Walsh dumped talented linebackers to go lighter and faster to keep up with the new breed of running backs. Speed counts.

I wonder if any Shanahan ever knew Bill?

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Skule has not looked great from what I saw. :/ I think we could be in trouble with our lack of depth at OT.

Legit concern. And it's not his fault either. He looked exactly like a 6th round scrappy player who needs at least, a full year on a practice squad to diet and train, get in an NFL routine, learn a full playbook and finally, start learning technique and communication. Looooooong ways to go. But he's a scrappy SOB. He'll give you everything he's got. You can work with that. Coachable.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49ersFanCJinPA:

Originally posted by NCommand:

He saw Brunskill, Garland and Skule and said, "That's my team! That one."

Good move.

You might be right

Path of least resistance, right? LOL

Sounds like someone did their research when Skule is the only one he'd need to eventually beat out to earn a roster spot. And if this kid has talent, that shouldn't be too hard.

Skule has not looked great from what I saw. :/ I think we could be in trouble with our lack of depth at OT.

Need to see more of Skule definitely don't have a great feeling, hopefully it doesn't get to that point

Would like to know the other teams who offered Pope as to compare their line situation

Originally posted by NCommand:

Who started that year?

Chris Chester, Andy Levitre, Alex Mack, Jake Matthews & Ryan Schraeder?

Yes, please.

Ironically, Mack playing on one leg was, IMHO, the real reason they lost that Superbowl. By the second half, he couldn't physically do anything anymore and BB, the mad scientist he was, started exploiting it.

Wait you think that's a good OL? Both our tackles are better, Andy Levitre was a bust trade from the titans...the only dude worth a damn was Mack.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Who started that year?

Chris Chester, Andy Levitre, Alex Mack, Jake Matthews & Ryan Schraeder?

Yes, please.

Ironically, Mack playing on one leg was, IMHO, the real reason they lost that Superbowl. By the second half, he couldn't physically do anything anymore and BB, the mad scientist he was, started exploiting it.

Wait you think that's a good OL? Both our tackles are better, Andy Levitre was a bust trade from the titans...the only dude worth a damn was Mack.

Back then they were. Now?

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by dj43:
We all know that replacing Joe Staley is in our near-term future. How? When? We don't know.

I am going to suggest the FO has moved on that. Here is why I think that:

What has made Staley so good for so long is that he is really a bulked-up TE. He had the agility/footwork of a TE coming out of college. He added enough muscle to play the power game when needed. However, the key to his game is his feet. It not only works in PP but is ideal for outside ZBS.

So, the 49ers went looking for a converted TE that had good footwork and now needs to build into the pro game. With the signing of Ryan Pope to the PS, the 49ers now have two guys that fit the Staley mold. The other guy is Daniel Brunskill. Both are former TEs. The scouting report on Brunskill is that he has better feet than Pope but needs to add lower body strength to make power moves. That is nearly identical to Staley. The difference with Brunskill is that while Staley had multiple years at TE in college, Brunskill only has one. However, he showed great promise in that one year.

Pope is similar but according to scouting reports, does not have the foot skills of Brunskill. However, he has a bit more power. The choices made by Shanahan's staff confirms that Brunskill is ahead of Pope, but both have potential for the team.

In both cases, there is a pattern that has shown success and fits the Shanahan offense better than some bulldozer-type brought in just to fill a back-up roster spot. Now that all the camp fodder is gone, and reps are more concentrated, expect both of these guys to continue to improve and fill a legit role on the team.

Terrific post , DJ. Think about this...two studs at OT that can move, (with Brunskill and Pope in the pipeline, and both like Joe S in a former life, played TE.), added to 4 TEs, who are all good blockers, kittle being the exception as a 1st class blocker and best receiving TE in the league,, added to Au Jus and Hurd, who both can both block, run and catch passes.....and what do you have?

It sounds like a machine that blocks well, catches, well, runs well, paired with an OC who has no equal in today's game, and ends up being a bunch of heavies that can move, block, catch, and run. But they aren't Trent Brown heavies. They are in the fast but sturdy group, which makes it sound like an O none of us have seen before.

Really ,we have the equivalent of 6 TEs, all blockers, and 4 of which are known as good receivers. We also have 2 OTs who can move and block. Then we have a WR who is a TE and RB, plus a FB who can block like a TE , run like a RB and catch like a WR.

Now i ask you: what does this sound like in the very early beginnings? RZ? Goal line? I just don't see those as problems anymore. Sure there will be exceptions, but...when the RZ Defense loads the box we will have 4 guys on the field who can block or run...or receive a pass.

But mainly, if the above is true, this is starting to sound like the beginning of a juggernaut...and one not easily stopped. And strange as it seems it is based on TEs, not WRs, even tho we have 3 very good WRs...ok, exquisite ones. So a running based offense based on guys who also are great receivers. And at OT, we have not only Joe and McG who can move but also BRunskill and Pope, two OLs who were former TEs to work into the lineup when Joe hangs 'em up.

We all have been trying to figure out what kind of O kyle is running, and now DJ has kindly shown us the way.

If this isn't kyle's Plan, i bet it is darn close. Really well done, DJ. If this is truly kyle's Plan, remember DJ figured it out first. And...it just makes sense. Ok, i am finessing the QB protection here, but i bet all this is based on the ball being gone in under 2.0 seconds.

Let's keep this mutual back-patting going here for a bit...

I have read/heard several NFL observers noting that the current rules favoring the passing game have made the days of the 250+ pound LB a thing of the past. Those big guys just cannot keep up with the speed of RBs/TEs that have become favorite targets in offenses like Shanahan's. Today's LB is

Terrific succinct discussion. But it does remind me of what my dear old Mom used to say about fashions. Everything comes back again.

Bill Walsh dumped talented linebackers to go lighter and faster to keep up with the new breed of running backs. Speed counts.

I wonder if any Shanahan ever knew Bill?

I don't know but I bet they both read his books.

Your mother was correct. (they always are. just ask them) Trends come and go. The secret is to be just one step ahead of the trend. I think Kyle is that one step ahead.

As per the discussion above, as the league rules changed favoring the passing game, LB speed became more important in order to cover all the stuff that came along with the passing game. The offense is trying to get their fast players onto the second level and beyond. Once those speed guys get there, they can outrun bigger, slower LBs, hence, lighter, faster LBs are coming in vogue. No longer is there a need for big, hard-hitting, slower LBs because the trend is for a faster, quicker game rather than a power game.

Now what would happen if you could bypass the DL and put a guy with good speed AND size in the midst of those fast, LIGHT LBs. There are not many 230 pound LBs that are looking forward to going against Kittle or Smith or Dwelly or Toilolo. Ouch! Now put two or three, or even all four of those guys on the field at the same time and see what happens. The lightweight guys may make contact but it will take another 5-10 yards to wrestle the TE to the turf. Big wins. Speed loses.

Kyle wins the speed game by dumping quick passes over the DL to an array of big TEs that mow down LBs and DBs. The TE, being already on the LOS, or slotted just off it, is on the LB or safety much quicker than an RB coming out of the backfield, thereby making is easier for Jimmy to get the ball out quickly to a choice of receivers. Kyle understands the speed game very well but has now put "BIG" back into the game at a place in the defensive formation where it negates the speed factor. Just let the TE play box-out basketball and it is game on with a bunch of smurfs.

Kyle helped create the trend and is now looking beyond it to the next step.

Gonna be fun to see it roll out...

who is gona be the Swing tackle? and is Weston gona be up week1 if not who is the back up center?