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Sep 2, 2019 at 5:07 AM
I'd give Christian Westerman a call...he fits the Athletic profile kyle looks for, highly recruited player coming out of HS.

Don't see why not
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Sep 2, 2019 at 5:25 AM
PFF offensive line ranking after preseason



15. SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS
Look out for big things from right tackle Mike McGlinchey in Year 2. This preseason he picked up right where he left off, not allowing a single pressure on 28 pass-blocking snaps.
Sep 2, 2019 at 5:29 AM
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
I'd give Christian Westerman a call...he fits the Athletic profile kyle looks for, highly recruited player coming out of HS.

Don't see why not

Maybe ShanaLynch should call the NotreDame OLine coach (that coached McGlinchy) instead and offer him a consulting job.
Sep 2, 2019 at 5:30 AM
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
PFF offensive line ranking after preseason



15. SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS
Look out for big things from right tackle Mike McGlinchey in Year 2. This preseason he picked up right where he left off, not allowing a single pressure on 28 pass-blocking snaps.
Sep 2, 2019 at 5:31 AM
FWIW it's clear as day what kyle wants his OL to do...run blocking.

That shanahan/McVay espn article you could see what they both wanted to do on offense... It all starts with running ball. Whether people want to admit it or not, it's true. McVay didn't have some elite IOL group and just let his best guard walk.

The run game, sets up the pay-action and allows him to run the personnel he wants. People wanting elite PP at the guard positions who require high end contracts and top 50 picks probably need to realize it's not happing.

Just looking at past teams and how they built this team, Kyle will take avg PP and top end run-blocking at the guard spot. Is what it is.
Sep 2, 2019 at 5:57 AM
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
I'd give Christian Westerman a call...he fits the Athletic profile kyle looks for, highly recruited player coming out of HS.

Don't see why not

Maybe ShanaLynch should call the NotreDame OLine coach (that coached McGlinchy) instead and offer him a consulting job.

He's currently the OL coach for the Bears
Sep 2, 2019 at 7:21 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
FWIW it's clear as day what kyle wants his OL to do...run blocking.

That shanahan/McVay espn article you could see what they both wanted to do on offense... It all starts with running ball. Whether people want to admit it or not, it's true. McVay didn't have some elite IOL group and just let his best guard walk.

The run game, sets up the pay-action and allows him to run the personnel he wants. People wanting elite PP at the guard positions who require high end contracts and top 50 picks probably need to realize it's not happing.

Just looking at past teams and how they built this team, Kyle will take avg PP and top end run-blocking at the guard spot. Is what it is.

Totally agree.

Although the LAR only gave up 89 hits (11th) to our 125 (31st) and only 33 sacks (8th best) to our 48 (25th) and were 2nd best in stuffed runs to our 25th. We also only had 7 rushing TD's (32nd) to their 26 (2nd).

...and I didn't see many kill shots on their QB.

So in the meaningful offensive line stats, while the philosophies are parallel, the production was night and day different.

If Kyle can produce an OL like this, I'd be elated! And we'd certainly be a playoff team, no question.

But to your other point, like I said this off season, I'll say it again for next year, don't expect any changes to the OL. Kyle seems perfectly content with this starting 5 unit and lack of quantity and quality depth.

Odds are, it's going to cost him.
Sep 2, 2019 at 7:38 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Our Oline was like a car that got totaled and needed a overhaul and Kyle gave it a tune-up instead.

They have 3 1st rd picks on that starting OL & they spent $40M on a center who was also a 2nd rd pick.

Your going off of draft status when we have AA & ST on the other side, 1st round picks who play like UFA's?
I just don't think that's a good argument.
Sep 2, 2019 at 7:46 AM
Originally posted by NCommand:
Fun comparison from an OL dude:


The rest (seems accurate):
Sep 2, 2019 at 7:47 AM
Originally posted by Jeepzilla:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Our Oline was like a car that got totaled and needed a overhaul and Kyle gave it a tune-up instead.

They have 3 1st rd picks on that starting OL & they spent $40M on a center who was also a 2nd rd pick.

Your going off of draft status when we have AA & ST on the other side, 1st round picks who play like UFA's?
I just don't think that's a good argument.

Yeah, if former 1st and 2nd rounders actually played like 1st and 2nd rounders, this OL thread would be about 3 pages long.
[ Edited by NCommand on Sep 2, 2019 at 7:48 AM ]
Sep 2, 2019 at 7:54 AM
For those of you who think our oline is bad

Sep 2, 2019 at 8:18 AM
PFF has the Niners OL ranked at 16 with potential to be great if Tomlinson takes a step up and Richburg regains pre injury form. Seems about right to me and is why we didn't see any desperation by Lynch and co. And that is with CJ and Mullens behind them. JG will elevate their performance some or at least how they are perceived as the opposing defenses should have to stay more honest due to JGs arm talent. But if we take injuries at OL it could decide our fate.

https://www.pff.com/news/pro-nfl-offensive-line-rankings-all-32-teams-units-entering-2019
Sep 2, 2019 at 8:19 AM
Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
For those of you who think our oline is bad


I don't think collectively, anybody thinks our OL is "bad." Probably rank around in the low 20's personally. It is bad at the things it needs to be great at to properly run the offense Kyle wants except zone blocking to set up play action - really good at that run blocking. But yeah, Chargers have been pounded with OL injuries and poor personnel moves there and it always catches up to them despite how explosive their offense can be at times.
Sep 2, 2019 at 8:23 AM
Originally posted by StubbornRussian:
PFF has the Niners OL ranked at 16 with potential to be great if Tomlinson takes a step up and Richburg regains pre injury form. Seems about right to me and is why we didn't see any desperation by Lynch and co. And that is with CJ and Mullens behind them. JG will elevate their performance some or at least how they are perceived as the opposing defenses should have to stay more honest due to JGs arm talent. But if we take injuries at OL it could decide our fate.

https://www.pff.com/news/pro-nfl-offensive-line-rankings-all-32-teams-units-entering-2019

PFF is terrible at OL grades; probably their worst position grades. It's solid for other positions and units but this one, they've been called out many times on. A better system is football outsiders. They go more in depth for sure. I believe they adjusted ours to around 22nd which seems more accurate to me (obviously, with a healthy Richburg could improve this quite a bit).

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol/2018

Also, there are a few really good OL experts on Twitter that I'd recommend following too.
[ Edited by NCommand on Sep 2, 2019 at 8:25 AM ]
Sep 2, 2019 at 8:34 AM
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by StubbornRussian:
PFF has the Niners OL ranked at 16 with potential to be great if Tomlinson takes a step up and Richburg regains pre injury form. Seems about right to me and is why we didn't see any desperation by Lynch and co. And that is with CJ and Mullens behind them. JG will elevate their performance some or at least how they are perceived as the opposing defenses should have to stay more honest due to JGs arm talent. But if we take injuries at OL it could decide our fate.

https://www.pff.com/news/pro-nfl-offensive-line-rankings-all-32-teams-units-entering-2019

PFF is terrible at OL grades; probably their worst position grades. It's solid for other positions and units but this one, they've been called out many times on. A better system is football outsiders. They go more in depth for sure. I believe they adjusted ours to around 22nd which seems more accurate to me (obviously, with a healthy Richburg could improve this quite a bit).

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol/2018

Also, there are a few really good OL experts on Twitter that I'd recommend following too.

The link you posted shows them ranked 10th. Regardless I think Richburg is they key. If you play at a high level at center and the tackles that will cover some flaws at the other two positions.
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