49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by cciowa:
remember teams are not just throwing up thier hands and bowing to jimmy and kyle. they will try to get to him because everyone in the nfl knows or should know. you take out jimmy. we are done. and i am not talking late hits or cheap shots. if joe williams does not cut the mustard,. you all should be concerned about running back depth

I mean you can find RB depth all over the place...I'm not worried about that or what Williams does (if he does something it's just gravy IMO). It's the Jet and Breida show.

This is gonna be a fast offense top to bottom.

This is a good test for Williams. Did he go home and see Hyde's departure as an opportunity...getting in the best shape possible? Or did he say...all's good, I have a spot now? He should come in with the intent to be the starting bell cow, and push Jet to a pass opportunity RB. If he doesn't the team is still in good shape for RB, but he could really make a difference this year. As much as we all appreciate Breida--he is over achieving and does not have elite potential.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I get being cautious I mean you could do that for anything...the line was upgraded overall this yr without question.

True. I'm alway anxious to see how the chemistry works out. Having three new starters on the OL is worrisome...and potentially wonderful!

Not totally.

Richburg eventually should be a big upgrade over Kilgore.

A healthy Staley will be an upgrade over the injured Staley from last year.

Fusco was the 2nd OL to cash in on FA after a very solid and consistent year with us. Can Cooper, Tomlinson or Garnett match that?

Can Tomlinson replicate his late-season play and win a starting job and play at a consistent level for 16 games?

MM and Brown might be a wash to start out.

JG can mask a ton but the OL still gave up over 50 QB hits during those 5 games which is remarkable given how quickly his processing and release are.

On paper, it looks better...deeper. But we'll see.

Good post NC!

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by cciowa:
remember teams are not just throwing up thier hands and bowing to jimmy and kyle. they will try to get to him because everyone in the nfl knows or should know. you take out jimmy. we are done. and i am not talking late hits or cheap shots. if joe williams does not cut the mustard,. you all should be concerned about running back depth

I mean you can find RB depth all over the place...I'm not worried about that or what Williams does (if he does something it's just gravy IMO). It's the Jet and Breida show.

This is gonna be a fast offense top to bottom.

Good call.

The D secondary will also be very fast.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:

Thanks!

I'm with you on this, it isn't even close, this isn't an upgrade it's a complete overhaul!

This line more athletic, and will be more aggressive in the run game.

This line, once it gels will allow Shannahan to go deeper into his play book.

Just get ready for all the negative nancies to come out if this line struggles the first few games as it build chemistry, but be ready down the back stretch of the season when these guys get it together.

typical, people still have concerns about what was one of the worst lines in the nfl last year. people know jimmy is the entire key to our future and they get slapped with a jr high label. of course look who i am talking to. some people think the line was fine last year. that jimmy did not take alot of hits and if he gets smacked around as the line builds its "chemistry" well thats just life total unknowns at guards and a kid at tackle. yep. i think there is a reason to be cautious in your optimism of the line

It's about the system and fit, these guys fit the system. If you don't understand that yet, you'll have to wait and see.

I tell you what, if this line isn't playing well by mid season, and we aren't winning games, you cook the crow, and I'll eat it

I keep seeing "MM is a massive upgrade to Beadles". How is this possibly known? Yes Beadles played poorly but he's been in the NFL for several years including playing for a SB team in Denver if memory serves. I personally don't assume some rookie is going to come in and solidify that position. He's going to take a while, and Gspot is going to be the one feeling those growing pains.

Look I know about the additions and the subtractions. IMO Ritchburg over Kilgore is huge, but it's going to take him a while. MM over Beadles is potentially huge, but again it's going to take a while. I have 0 faith in any of our G's. Yes I understand you don't need HoF talent at every position (One of my most hated, redundant, and worthless inclusions in any reply as in my opinion it is an assumption that the person being replied to is a moron and disrespectful as all get out on a football forum). You do however need serviceable linemen and we do not have the G's to be serviceable imo. Add in the fact that we face a team with the best DT duo in football twice this next year and you can color me concerned. The G's and ER on this team are going to be an obvious weakness this year imo.

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
It's about the system and fit, these guys fit the system. If you don't understand that yet, you'll have to wait and see.

I tell you what, if this line isn't playing well by mid season, and we aren't winning games, you cook the crow, and I'll eat it

i will not do that. i have to eat enough crow here david boston marlon moore jon baldwin.not signing jimmy long term. thinking jt would be a good teacher etc.. i do not have time to prepare it for others. i just expect them to step up and admit they were wrong like i do and then we just move on. you are a good poster and you will feel bad enough as it is if this thing goes south without people on your ass reminding you about something you said three months prior

I'm cautiously optimistic about the new group. Losing weight doesn't suddenly make someone a better player. No guarantees that a rookie hits the ground running. If Cooper plays average, it will be an improvement. There will be a minimum of 3 new starters on the OL. If it takes chemistry and cohesion to function as a good group of five, then it will take some time to get them playing well together provided they are competent as individuals (Garnett, Cooper, McG).

Originally posted by WINiner:
I keep seeing "MM is a massive upgrade to Beadles". How is this possibly known? Yes Beadles played poorly but he's been in the NFL for several years including playing for a SB team in Denver if memory serves. I personally don't assume some rookie is going to come in and solidify that position. He's going to take a while, and Gspot is going to be the one feeling those growing pains.

Look I know about the additions and the subtractions. IMO Ritchburg over Kilgore is huge, but it's going to take him a while. MM over Beadles is potentially huge, but again it's going to take a while. I have 0 faith in any of our G's. Yes I understand you don't need HoF talent at every position (One of my most hated, redundant, and worthless inclusions in any reply as in my opinion it is an assumption that the person being replied to is a moron and disrespectful as all get out on a football forum). You do however need serviceable linemen and we do not have the G's to be serviceable imo. Add in the fact that we face a team with the best DT duo in football twice this next year and you can color me concerned. The G's and ER on this team are going to be an obvious weakness this year imo.

Well for starters Beadles isn't even truly a RT, he's played guard most of his career (and in Denver) he was basically was forced to be the RT for the last 4+ games. During that stretch we had a top 5 offense...I don't think it's that wild to state MM can at the very least play RT at his level.

I mean why can't he solidify that spot? Ramczyk did just that last yr in NO, Decker did it in Detroit, Conklin in Tenn, Stanley in Baltimore etc...We're not asking him to replace a HOF. MM was a 3 yr starter in a top program running a pro-style offense. His technique for the most part is pro-ready, unlike a lot of OTs coming out of college spread offenses. Was he a dominant force in PP? No, but he was far from poor at PP.

Also why is it gonna take a while for Richburg? So, let me get this straight we get a top FA and it will take a while, we get the highest graded OT in the draft and it will take him a while.....so how we gonna upgrade the OL then? They upgraded talent using both FA and the draft.

Go look at the ATL OL how many pro-bowlers they got on that line (besides Mack)? Go look at that D.C OL outside of Trent Williams, who did they have as a pro-bowler from 2010-2103?

with OG all we need is guys like Chris Chester, he was Kyle's RG from 2011-2016, he has zero pro-bowls to his name, but was a ideal scheme fit.

I don't think we have the best OL in the league, but we don't have to have the best one with this scheme. Kyle isn't asking the OL to give our QB a clean pocket for 5+ seconds. He scheme's players open and keeps the ball moving forward. He's gotta have a OL that can ZB though and that takes a certain type of guy. Throw juice in to help with PP on the big boys in LA. Kyle and Jimmy G will abuse LA's LBers with the Jet and Kittle. Those guys up the middle won't matter as long as our QB get's rid of the ball fast like he's shown he can do.

Also I don't want you to think I thought you were a moron or anything totally not my intention.

Originally posted by thl408:
I'm cautiously optimistic about the new group. Losing weight doesn't suddenly make someone a better player. No guarantees that a rookie hits the ground running. If Cooper plays average, it will be an improvement. There will be a minimum of 3 new starters on the OL. If it takes chemistry and cohesion to function as a good group of five, then it will take some time to get them playing well together provided they are competent as individuals (Garnett, Cooper, McG).

I'm more worried about the pass rush than the O-Line at this point.

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by thl408:
I'm cautiously optimistic about the new group. Losing weight doesn't suddenly make someone a better player. No guarantees that a rookie hits the ground running. If Cooper plays average, it will be an improvement. There will be a minimum of 3 new starters on the OL. If it takes chemistry and cohesion to function as a good group of five, then it will take some time to get them playing well together provided they are competent as individuals (Garnett, Cooper, McG).

I'm more worried about the pass rush than the O-Line at this point.

same here

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by thl408:
I'm cautiously optimistic about the new group. Losing weight doesn't suddenly make someone a better player. No guarantees that a rookie hits the ground running. If Cooper plays average, it will be an improvement. There will be a minimum of 3 new starters on the OL. If it takes chemistry and cohesion to function as a good group of five, then it will take some time to get them playing well together provided they are competent as individuals (Garnett, Cooper, McG).

I'm more worried about the pass rush than the O-Line at this point.

same here

Bad pass rush means the defense can't get off the field. Bad OL means Jimmy gets smacked around. Which is worse?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by thl408:
I'm cautiously optimistic about the new group. Losing weight doesn't suddenly make someone a better player. No guarantees that a rookie hits the ground running. If Cooper plays average, it will be an improvement. There will be a minimum of 3 new starters on the OL. If it takes chemistry and cohesion to function as a good group of five, then it will take some time to get them playing well together provided they are competent as individuals (Garnett, Cooper, McG).

I'm more worried about the pass rush than the O-Line at this point.

same here

I would say though I'm optimistic to see how Pita and Attachu do. (They are 2 big unknowns)

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
I would say though I'm optimistic to see how Pita and Attachu do.

Attachu is the wild card IMO...I just want some edge presence to at the very lest put pressure on the QB and funnel him towards the big boys in the middle.

Watching Wilson running around free all day is gross

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
I would say though I'm optimistic to see how Pita and Attachu do.

Attachu is the wild card IMO...I just want some edge presence to at the very lest put pressure on the QB and funnel him towards the big boys in the middle.

Watching Wilson running around free all day is gross

Right I get that. Eli might get better as well. Lynch seems to like him. And that's rare for Baalke guys.

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Right I get that. Eli might get better as well. Lynch seems to like him. And that's rare for Baalke guys.

meh IMO Eli will continue his role as the 2 down SAM setting the edge...maybe he get's a shot at rushing the passer more BUT he's showed nothing thus far to say he will succeed at it. Technique is poo, I mean he's just not a pass rusher at this pt in his career.

I wouldn't be shocked if they brought in someone once cuts happen or they can swing a trade (unless Pita/marsh/Attachu look great).

I'm all for a Shane ray trade