49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by saniner:

Drafted by SF, has played T, G, and C. Good competition. He can try to win Beadles spot as utility guy

I had a feeling we were looking at another multi-positioned depth guy. I just couldn't buy that we were going into the season with 2 PS guys as the only insurance for 3 starting spots; OG (R/L) and RT. McG might need time to learn the position and may not be a day 1 starter. He has to win that RT spot in camp and prove he can handle speed rushers. The competition for Brown's spot and the guard spots look to be pretty significant. I wouldn't even put it past the team to bring some other project players just to improve the roster.

Good call NinerGM!

I'm hoping we luck out and get a cap casualty by the end of TC's.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
On a good note, all teams play under the same rules!

Excellent!

Originally posted by GoldBrick:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by GoldBrick:
Except Tomlinson started all last year and is in line for an extension if Lynch is to be believed. He started 32 straight games in Detroit in his first 2 seasons.

Cooper also started all last year for a decent Dallas squad.

If by "proven" you mean lived up to their high draft status, then clearly no. But if you mean they aren't proven starters in this league, you're incorrect.

they have shown me little in a niner uniform or in any other uniform to make me think we will be just fine. i need more than god lynch coming out and saying they are sexy

I agree. Lynch commonly talks players up only to replace them. And I agree that all three of our first-round guards have failed to live up to their draft status.

I guess I'm not as pessimistic as you about our personnel, however.

Tomlinson has started 47 of 48 possible games in his three NFL seasons. Norwell he is not, but he's a durable and ostensibly well-liked player.

Garnett is miscast in a ZBS but dropped 20+ lbs already and has a full offseason to adapt his game.

Cooper is probably the most athletic in the group and started on a very decent line in Dallas.

Magnuson or Shelton might surprise, and someone's going to need to backup center. Speaking of center, Weston is gonna make his guards look better than they are. There are only a few centers in the league who can reach block like Shanahan requires. Kilgore wasn't one of them.

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I expect our line to to be much improved this year.

Good post GoldBrick!

Originally posted by Scoots:

I wonder if the 49ers de-facto insistence that players off-season in Santa Clara might be a problem with the NFLPA at some point.

If it's voluntary vs mandatory, I don't think the NFLPA can do much about it.

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by GoldBrick:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by GoldBrick:

Except Tomlinson started all last year and is in line for an extension if Lynch is to be believed. He started 32 straight games in Detroit in his first 2 seasons.

Cooper also started all last year for a decent Dallas squad.

If by "proven" you mean lived up to their high draft status, then clearly no. But if you mean they aren't proven starters in this league, you're incorrect.

they have shown me little in a niner uniform or in any other uniform to make me think we will be just fine. i need more than god lynch coming out and saying they are sexy

I agree. Lynch commonly talks players up only to replace them. And I agree that all three of our first-round guards have failed to live up to their draft status.

I guess I'm not as pessimistic as you about our personnel, however.

Tomlinson has started 47 of 48 possible games in his three NFL seasons. Norwell he is not, but he's a durable and ostensibly well-liked player.

Garnett is miscast in a ZBS but dropped 20+ lbs already and has a full offseason to adapt his game.

Cooper is probably the most athletic in the group and started on a very decent line in Dallas.

Magnuson or Shelton might surprise, and someone's going to need to backup center. Speaking of center, Weston is gonna make his guards look better than they are. There are only a few centers in the league who can reach block like Shanahan requires. Kilgore wasn't one of them.

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I expect our line to to be much improved this year.

Good post GoldBrick!

Good analysis.

I think Person played center when Shanny was with ATL.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
So, what you're saying is that no player should be signed or drafted until they've already proven something and are already top flight or if they aren't off the charts their rookie year you plan to replace???? That's what it sounds like.
There's no way a team that was 2-14 a year and a half ago is going to have all proven and steady players at every position. You're simply going to have one of three categories: steady, bad or unproven players. I for one am happy that we have shifted our roster from most bad and a few steady and a few unproven to a number of steady and quite a few unproven with a handful of bad left. You really cannot expect anything more.

You disguise your unrealistic expectations of ShanaLynch to build a SB contender of double digit all-pros in one year with, "I just don't treat Lynch like he's a god who can do no wrong".

i am not the one who started the road to the playoffs thread and breathlessly predicting 11 wins and a playoff spot this year. i see lynch took my advice and even if the guy sounds like a scrub. at least he signed a guy to compete.. i have unrealistic hopes?? i do not call 8 wins maybe 9 unrealistic. and yes.. i think to many people here just go by what god lynch says

Originally posted by TheNef77:
Anyone that thinks that the guard position isn't important, go back and watch Chilo Rachal single-handedly break down our OL from the RG spot. Watch that season under Singletary.

We have unproven guys with hope that they show out. The frustration comes when you see them going up against Suh/Donald who are already proven.

of course this is the truth. they are unproven and we did nothing in the draft to address it. glad we got a great center. hope the rookie turns out. hope staley stays healthy. hope the guards pan out..... ok that is alot of hoping and wishing and praying

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
I'm sure these teams have figured sneaky ways around those rules.

my biggest worry is that established defensive line guys will find ways to get around our unknown non established guards and take out jimmy

Originally posted by Ark49er:

Originally posted by saniner:

Offensive tackle Mike Person, an 8-year veteran most recently with the #Colts, signed with the #49ers today, source said. Depth following the trade of Trent Brown.

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) May 9, 2018

Drafted by SF, has played T, G, and C. Good competition. He can try to win Beadles spot as utility guy

Not a good signing. Definitely not a guy we ever want to see on the field trying to protect Jimmy. Really wouldn't want him on the field trying to protect the 3rd string QB either.

Graded out much much better than beadles did last yr...it's May he's a backup and camp body who's not gonna make more money than Zane was gonna make with us.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by TheNef77:
Anyone that thinks that the guard position isn't important, go back and watch Chilo Rachal single-handedly break down our OL from the RG spot. Watch that season under Singletary.

We have unproven guys with hope that they show out. The frustration comes when you see them going up against Suh/Donald who are already proven.

of course this is the truth. they are unproven and we did nothing in the draft to address it. glad we got a great center. hope the rookie turns out. hope staley stays healthy. hope the guards pan out..... ok that is alot of hoping and wishing and praying

How would drafting a guard fix the unproven problem at guard?

Originally posted by cciowa:

my biggest worry is that established defensive line guys will find ways to get around our unknown non established guards and take out jimmy

Unknown? Dude there's 3 1st rd guards on the roster lol. Far from unknown. Our center will be helping with the pass pro and richburg is one of the best in the league at it

Well if Garnett turns it around I expect our line to be very good. The line was priority one this offseason after Garoppolo .

Originally posted by pd24:
How would drafting a guard fix the unproven problem at guard?

Bam! No answer for that one. I was hoping for a guard prospect on day 2 to make a push for snaps in 2019 - maybe even 2018 if Garnett/Cooper fall on their faces. There were three guards chosen at the top of round 2. I knew then that the 49ers would not select a guard, if they were even considering one at all.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
So, what you're saying is that no player should be signed or drafted until they've already proven something and are already top flight or if they aren't off the charts their rookie year you plan to replace???? That's what it sounds like.
There's no way a team that was 2-14 a year and a half ago is going to have all proven and steady players at every position. You're simply going to have one of three categories: steady, bad or unproven players. I for one am happy that we have shifted our roster from most bad and a few steady and a few unproven to a number of steady and quite a few unproven with a handful of bad left. You really cannot expect anything more.

You disguise your unrealistic expectations of ShanaLynch to build a SB contender of double digit all-pros in one year with, "I just don't treat Lynch like he's a god who can do no wrong".

i am not the one who started the road to the playoffs thread and breathlessly predicting 11 wins and a playoff spot this year. i see lynch took my advice and even if the guy sounds like a scrub. at least he signed a guy to compete.. i have unrealistic hopes?? i do not call 8 wins maybe 9 unrealistic. and yes.. i think to many people here just go by what god lynch says

Yes you do. Unrealistic for where the roster should be by this point in a complete ground up rebuild. You think 8 wins is all this team will muster because you think there are too many holes still.

I'm meaning expectations of proven, quality players at every position. If there's a hole still you talk about that and only that til something changes. It happened all last season with positions until the hole seemed smaller. Right now it's ER and OL with LBer coming in after that, from what I've seen.

They've plugged RB, 60-80% of the OL, WR, FB, TE, CB, S and most of the LBer's in just a year and a half and here you are talking about how stupid Lynch is because he's ignored the guard position......

They've said it's nowhere near a finished product and there's still work to do. We weren't the Eagles that needed a QB and a few key players and all the sudden competed for a SB. We were the Browns, man. Da Browns.....

That's what I mean. They had 50 new players to find in a rebuild and they've found a large number of those yet you are focusing on the 4 players that haven't been found yet.