49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
If you are asking about who else we could have taken, Wynn, Hernandez (UTEP, hope i got his name right) , Braden Smith, Cole, (Michigan) and Mason (Iowa, i think). But i was amazed that with no improvement in the Beadles, Laken, GArnett, Magnus, et al, that Trent B wasn't kept for a yr so we had one additional excellent pass pro OL. Either move Trent to OG or McG to OG. The other plays RT. What would that have hurt? That would have given us one more blocker this yr which we needed desperately. McG draft is fine. But getting rid of Trent makes the blocking situation no improvement for pass pro. So it was a lateral move from that standpoint. They didn't have to keep Trent next yr. But i think they goofed by not keeping this yr. I couldn't believe we took no other interior OL...backup C would have been nice, esp an OG/C and there were 3 or 4 as i recall. Nope, the boys dropped the ball here, moving up for Pettis when not needed, not getting an interior OL, esp OG/C variety. I don't understand what they were thinking. Sure hope Riichburg doesn't go down. There is a UDFA signed that is a C, but no idea if he can play or not.

Just guessing but i think Kyle just didn't like having an overweight guy on the team, esp if he came into camp overweight, as he has every other camp. Sure didn't bother Bellichek tho. I think we got screwed here. If they weren't going to draft at least one interior OL, then they should have kept Trent for one more lousy yr. He cost literally nothing.

Bellichek had a bad miss when he got an overweight guy in Haynsworth. Look back on some of the trades Bellichek has made while giving up a pick, he has even cut some guys the same season he traded for them.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheNef77:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Not drafting an interior OL in this very deep scheme-fit draft was absolutely criminal in every way.

There was a run on Guards at the top of the 2nd round. The only other Guard taken in round 2 was Connor Williams who was available for the 49ers after the 2nd round trade up (Pettis). The next guard taken was in round 5. Perhaps that run on Guards at the top of the 2nd impacted the 49ers into not taking a day 2 Guard. Point is, it may be a case of Pettis vs Connor Williams.

Teller and Quessenberry were on the board but we took 2 DBs and a guy with a torn ACL as if Guard wasn't an issue at all.

Yeah, we met with Quessenberry too.

I think they are ok with Garnett, Cooper and Tomlinson fighting over the guard spots... they already spent a lot this year to upgrade the o-line in Richburg and then McGlinchey (also added Cooper for competition and depth) and expect the center and RT upgrades to improve the whole line... I'm not sure they want or even need a dominant o-line like Dallas with Shanahan scheme and Jimmy as the QB. They make the o-line look much better.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Not drafting an interior OL in this very deep scheme-fit draft was absolutely criminal in every way.

There was a run on Guards at the top of the 2nd round. The only other Guard taken in round 2 was Connor Williams who was available for the 49ers after the 2nd round trade up (Pettis). The next guard taken was in round 5. Perhaps that run on Guards at the top of the 2nd impacted the 49ers into not taking a day 2 Guard. Point is, it may be a case of Pettis vs Connor Williams.

Very true and the best way to stay competitive is not only taking guys you like but at the value you give them. People would be bashing the Patriots all day long for their draft if it wasn't for BB.

They traded out of their draft slot 6 times, LOL. Imagine if JL did that. This place would be an even bigger firestorm, lol. It isn't like the Pats don't have needs either. They traded away their 2 backups QB's last year, lost Brandin Cooks, Solder, Malcolm Butler, Danny Ammendola and Dion Lewis and didn't have a single ER who had over 6.5 sacks(sounds familiar).

If BB doesn't think the guy they may like has the value of the draft slot, they trade back but if he believes the guy has that draft value he'll trade up for them.

If we didn't think any of those guards were worth the value in that slot and we also have a bunch of spots that could use help, it made sense not to trade up in searching for that Guard if they had them as a late 2nd and they went early 2nd.

Originally posted by matguy87:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheNef77:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Not drafting an interior OL in this very deep scheme-fit draft was absolutely criminal in every way.

There was a run on Guards at the top of the 2nd round. The only other Guard taken in round 2 was Connor Williams who was available for the 49ers after the 2nd round trade up (Pettis). The next guard taken was in round 5. Perhaps that run on Guards at the top of the 2nd impacted the 49ers into not taking a day 2 Guard. Point is, it may be a case of Pettis vs Connor Williams.

Teller and Quessenberry were on the board but we took 2 DBs and a guy with a torn ACL as if Guard wasn't an issue at all.

Yeah, we met with Quessenberry too.

I think they are ok with Garnett, Cooper and Tomlinson fighting over the guard spots... they already spent a lot this year to upgrade the o-line in Richburg and then McGlinchey (also added Cooper for competition and depth) and expect the center and RT upgrades to improve the whole line... I'm not sure they want or even need a dominant o-line like Dallas with Shanahan scheme and Jimmy as the QB. They make the o-line look much better.

The McG pick along with Richburg and Garnett should really help the run game - which should in turn help out our pass game. The best way to protect your QB is to get good yards running the ball on 1st and 10 and not be in 2nd and long and 3rd and medium-long on obvious passing downs.

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Just laughing at all the draftniks who said: "OT was not an area of need" with Brown coming season-ending surgery and using a OG as our starting OT.

And Staley turning 34 during training camp.

FWIW, the Colts' GM said that there was a huge dropoff in the available OL talent in the 2nd round, specifically after they spent #37 on G/T Braden Smith.

LOT: Joe Staley; Garry Gilliam & Pace Murphy
LG: Jonathan Cooper; Laken Tomlinson, Zane Beadles & Najee Toran
C: Weston Richburg; Alan Knott & Coleman Shelton
RG: Joshua Garnett; Erik Magnuson & Andrew Lauderdale
ROT: Mike McGlinchey; Darrell Williams Jr. & Jamar McGloster

Staley, Gilliam, Tomlinson, Garnett, Magnuson and Williams are going into year 2 of this scheme (big deal). Massively underwhelming at G (hope and a prayer) but, once Richburg master's this scheme, it's going to be huge. Kyle recently said that it all starts with the C-G's so it will be something to watch very closely this pre-season.

Tomlinson did not get his 5th year option picked up which 'may' be a little insight into how they envision his future with us.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Not drafting an interior OL in this very deep scheme-fit draft was absolutely criminal in every way.

There was a run on Guards at the top of the 2nd round. The only other Guard taken in round 2 was Connor Williams who was available for the 49ers after the 2nd round trade up (Pettis). The next guard taken was in round 5. Perhaps that run on Guards at the top of the 2nd impacted the 49ers into not taking a day 2 Guard. Point is, it may be a case of Pettis vs Connor Williams.

Yeah. No doubt that run started right out of the gate and my stomach started to sink.

There was another item also that affected not getting that OG/C. And that was the way our draft set up. With the 2nd pick going for JimmyG, we had an odd #9 and then 50 player void until #59. That was 50 players and if most weren't starters, i would be amazed. An awful big slug of talent there in those 50 guys. So the OGs were there, but as noted, so was Pettis. Now if we had that 2nd pick back, well....we sure as heck wouldn't have had jimmy. So the way we got set for that massive 2nd rd really was due to our getting a QB who is miles better than anything anyone could hope to wish for in this draft of QBs . Call it luck of the draw, bad luck, whatever. None of us would do it differently, and all of us wanted JG. So, we got stuck in a rut where we got one guy from that 50 but it was KS's super #1 guy he wanted after McG. So an OG, even tho there, was out of the question. I don't feel bad about this, it is just the way it went down. I knew and posted long before draft that was a very real problem.So we move up...but for kyle's guy. Not for an OG. very simply, that's how and why it happened. JimmyG stays put. We just have to do without a decent OG this yr. GArnett i have hopes for. I saw cooper last yr and no, did not like him. Laken, beadles, you saw them . The guy i am hoping comes thru is Magnus. Will he? Who knows.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Not drafting an interior OL in this very deep scheme-fit draft was absolutely criminal in every way.

There was a run on Guards at the top of the 2nd round. The only other Guard taken in round 2 was Connor Williams who was available for the 49ers after the 2nd round trade up (Pettis). The next guard taken was in round 5. Perhaps that run on Guards at the top of the 2nd impacted the 49ers into not taking a day 2 Guard. Point is, it may be a case of Pettis vs Connor Williams.

Yeah. No doubt that run started right out of the gate and my stomach started to sink.

There was another item also that affected not getting that OG/C. And that was the way our draft set up. With the 2nd pick going for JimmyG, we had an odd #9 and then 50 player void until #59. That was 50 players and if most weren't starters, i would be amazed. An awful big slug of talent there in those 50 guys. So the OGs were there, but as noted, so was Pettis. Now if we had that 2nd pick back, well....we sure as heck wouldn't have had jimmy. So the way we got set for that massive 2nd rd really was due to our getting a QB who is miles better than anything anyone could hope to wish for in this draft of QBs . Call it luck of the draw, bad luck, whatever. None of us would do it differently, and all of us wanted JG. So, we got stuck in a rut where we got one guy from that 50 but it was KS's super #1 guy he wanted after McG. So an OG, even tho there, was out of the question. I don't feel bad about this, it is just the way it went down. I knew and posted long before draft that was a very real problem.So we move up...but for kyle's guy. Not for an OG. very simply, that's how and why it happened. JimmyG stays put. We just have to do without a decent OG this yr. GArnett i have hopes for. I saw cooper last yr and no, did not like him. Laken, beadles, you saw them . The guy i am hoping comes thru is Magnus. Will he? Who knows.

Good point Paso! And as Thl said, there was a run on OL during that 50 pick swath.

Going into the 2018 draft, the Niners had three proven WRs but no proven guards.

Originally posted by NCommand:
LOT: Joe Staley; Garry Gilliam & Pace Murphy
LG: Jonathan Cooper; Laken Tomlinson, Zane Beadles & Najee Toran
C: Weston Richburg; Alan Knott & Coleman Shelton
RG: Joshua Garnett; Erik Magnuson & Andrew Lauderdale
ROT: Mike McGlinchey; Darrell Williams Jr. & Jamar McGloster

Staley, Gilliam, Tomlinson, Garnett, Magnuson and Williams are going into year 2 of this scheme (big deal). Massively underwhelming at G (hope and a prayer) but, once Richburg master's this scheme, it's going to be huge. Kyle recently said that it all starts with the C-G's so it will be something to watch very closely this pre-season.

Tomlinson did not get his 5th year option picked up which 'may' be a little insight into how they envision his future with us.

This is a much better group than we had last year, and most, if not all the O LInemen you listed *fit* the Kyle zone run. To me that's the bigger deal. Looking forward to pre-season and how this all shakes down.

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:

Going into the 2018 draft, the Niners had three proven WRs but no proven guards.

Agreed.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Not drafting an interior OL in this very deep scheme-fit draft was absolutely criminal in every way.

There was a run on Guards at the top of the 2nd round. The only other Guard taken in round 2 was Connor Williams who was available for the 49ers after the 2nd round trade up (Pettis). The next guard taken was in round 5. Perhaps that run on Guards at the top of the 2nd impacted the 49ers into not taking a day 2 Guard. Point is, it may be a case of Pettis vs Connor Williams.

Yeah. No doubt that run started right out of the gate and my stomach started to sink.

There was another item also that affected not getting that OG/C. And that was the way our draft set up. With the 2nd pick going for JimmyG, we had an odd #9 and then 50 player void until #59. That was 50 players and if most weren't starters, i would be amazed. An awful big slug of talent there in those 50 guys. So the OGs were there, but as noted, so was Pettis. Now if we had that 2nd pick back, well....we sure as heck wouldn't have had jimmy. So the way we got set for that massive 2nd rd really was due to our getting a QB who is miles better than anything anyone could hope to wish for in this draft of QBs . Call it luck of the draw, bad luck, whatever. None of us would do it differently, and all of us wanted JG. So, we got stuck in a rut where we got one guy from that 50 but it was KS's super #1 guy he wanted after McG. So an OG, even tho there, was out of the question. I don't feel bad about this, it is just the way it went down. I knew and posted long before draft that was a very real problem.So we move up...but for kyle's guy. Not for an OG. very simply, that's how and why it happened. JimmyG stays put. We just have to do without a decent OG this yr. GArnett i have hopes for. I saw cooper last yr and no, did not like him. Laken, beadles, you saw them . The guy i am hoping comes thru is Magnus. Will he? Who knows.

I'm pretty sure we'll be drafting in the high twenties this next year. But in 1986 we had the 2nd best draft in 49er history, and we didn't have a first round pick. I'm hoping that just because we win 10+ game year in year out (I Hope ) with Jimmy - we can still do something like the 1986 draft where we still got quality from the draft despite not having a first round. Looking back on the 1986 picks, I was like everybody here today about our 2018 draft - "Meh!" but 3 years later that draft was a key draft for our next couple of super bowls. We really won't know the quality of this draft for a year or two at minimum, and even the disaster 2012 draft, we didn't know for at least a year that the 1st round pick was a bust and literally that whole draft was worthless. 2017 was a good draft, and 2018 - if you add Jimmy - was a good draft. I can only hope that we have another good draft in 2019.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:
LOT: Joe Staley; Garry Gilliam & Pace Murphy
LG: Jonathan Cooper; Laken Tomlinson, Zane Beadles & Najee Toran
C: Weston Richburg; Alan Knott & Coleman Shelton
RG: Joshua Garnett; Erik Magnuson & Andrew Lauderdale
ROT: Mike McGlinchey; Darrell Williams Jr. & Jamar McGloster

Staley, Gilliam, Tomlinson, Garnett, Magnuson and Williams are going into year 2 of this scheme (big deal). Massively underwhelming at G (hope and a prayer) but, once Richburg master's this scheme, it's going to be huge. Kyle recently said that it all starts with the C-G's so it will be something to watch very closely this pre-season.

Tomlinson did not get his 5th year option picked up which 'may' be a little insight into how they envision his future with us.

This is a much better group than we had last year, and most, if not all the O LInemen you listed *fit* the Kyle zone run. To me that's the bigger deal. Looking forward to pre-season and how this all shakes down.

Yeah, just the year 2 off season and 2nd year in the system is going to go a long ways.

Staley - his hip is healed and you know he'll be in great shape and showing Big Mike how it's done.
Cooper - average player in this system coming back from a knee; heal up big guy
Richburg - instant upgrade over Kilgore minus actual experience in this system; give him 3/4 of the year to hit his stride
Garnett - so far so good but this is where he shines in impressing people; the question is, can he actually reach his talent level?
McGlinchey - instant upgrade in the running game, instant downgrade in pass protection but higher long term ceiling. Professional. May even have a chance at LT. McKinnon will certainly have more room to the right on OZ runs esp. if Garnett can also assist cutting off that flow.

Gilliam & Tomlinson - the FO didn't pick up Tomlinson's option. Tomlinson is like Brown, solid player, not the best scheme fit. Gilliam is a solid swing-T recently resigned.

I actually think Alan Knott and Coleman Shelton (dark horse) have a legit chance to back up as real C's. If one of them make it, it could push a guy like Magnuson or Williams off the roster...could certainly happen.

LOT: Joe Staley; Garry Gilliam
LG: Jonathan Cooper; Laken Tomlinson
C: Weston Richburg; Alan Knott & Coleman Shelton
RG: Joshua Garnett; Erik Magnuson
ROT: Mike McGlinchey; Darrell Williams Jr.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, just the year 2 off season and 2nd year in the system is going to go a long ways.

Staley - his hip is healed and you know he'll be in great shape and showing Big Mike how it's done.
Cooper - average player in this system coming back from a knee; heal up big guy
Richburg - instant upgrade over Kilgore minus actual experience in this system; give him 3/4 of the year to hit his stride
Garnett - so far so good but this is where he shines in impressing people; the question is, can he actually reach his talent level?
McGlinchey - instant upgrade in the running game, instant downgrade in pass protection but higher long term ceiling. Professional. May even have a chance at LT. McKinnon will certainly have more room to the right on OZ runs esp. if Garnett can also assist cutting off that flow.

Gilliam & Tomlinson - the FO didn't pick up Tomlinson's option. Tomlinson is like Brown, solid player, not the best scheme fit. Gilliam is a solid swing-T recently resigned.

I actually think Alan Knott and Coleman Shelton (dark horse) have a legit chance to back up as real C's. If one of them make it, it could push a guy like Magnuson or Williams off the roster...could certainly happen.

LOT: Joe Staley; Garry Gilliam
LG: Jonathan Cooper; Laken Tomlinson
C: Weston Richburg; Alan Knott & Coleman Shelton
RG: Joshua Garnett; Erik Magnuson
ROT: Mike McGlinchey; Darrell Williams Jr.

Magnuson may surprise us this year and start at OG. At Mich he was a very good RT his senior year and started at both OG spots during previous seasons. I'm hoping he wins the starting job opposite Garnett and stays there for years to come!

Edit: Magnuson is a month older than Garnett.