49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Beadles is the only decent OG in that bunch. Garnett was really struggling early on, we just don't know how he'll do now. Hopefully he's much improved because Cooper and Tomlinson have been pretty bad in their careers so far. My guess is Magnuson will take someone's spot with a year of development under his belt.

Wasn't Cooper pretty good last year?

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Beadles is the only decent OG in that bunch. Garnett was really struggling early on, we just don't know how he'll do now. Hopefully he's much improved because Cooper and Tomlinson have been pretty bad in their careers so far. My guess is Magnuson will take someone's spot with a year of development under his belt.

Wasn't Cooper pretty good last year?

From what I heard Cooper finally had his 1st good year, last year with Dallas. So we signed him at a good time, with their (DAL) bad cap situation.

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Beadles is the only decent OG in that bunch. Garnett was really struggling early on, we just don't know how he'll do now. Hopefully he's much improved because Cooper and Tomlinson have been pretty bad in their careers so far. My guess is Magnuson will take someone's spot with a year of development under his belt.

Wasn't Cooper pretty good last year?

From what I heard Cooper finally had his 1st good year, last year with Dallas. So we signed him at a good time, with their (DAL) bad cap situation.

No, he wasn't. It's why they didn't bring him back.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-2018-free-agency-preview-dallas-cowboys

Of course, there are NFL offensive lines in worse shape than that of the Cowboys, but inefficiencies at two positions specifically (left guard and right tackle) cost what was previously an impenetrable five-man force. Fourth-year veteran Jonathan Cooper continued to struggle despite being surrounded by elite-level talent...


https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/jonathan-cooper/7788

67.0 overall grade, ranking #35 among guards. "Below average" on PFF's rating scale.

Maybe he can improve and be less than terrible, but the rest of our OGs I think will have to be pretty bad not to beat him out. I could see Garnett/Beadles at LG and Magnuson at RG to start the season. Hopefully Garnett gets it together. If he does, him at LG and Magnuson at RG would be ideal. So much potential with Mags.

Not drafting an interior OL in this very deep scheme-fit draft was absolutely criminal in every way.

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Beadles is the only decent OG in that bunch. Garnett was really struggling early on, we just don't know how he'll do now. Hopefully he's much improved because Cooper and Tomlinson have been pretty bad in their careers so far. My guess is Magnuson will take someone's spot with a year of development under his belt.

Wasn't Cooper pretty good last year?

From what I heard Cooper finally had his 1st good year, last year with Dallas. So we signed him at a good time, with their (DAL) bad cap situation.

Cooper had a good season for his standards. Hence, the lack of offers from other teams and him settling for a 1 year contract with us. Seriously, the best hope we have opposite Garnett, is an undrafted Mag who didn't even get a chance to stay at guard last year. That's why Lynch is getting flak.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Not drafting an interior OL in this very deep scheme-fit draft was absolutely criminal in every way.

There was a run on Guards at the top of the 2nd round. The only other Guard taken in round 2 was Connor Williams who was available for the 49ers after the 2nd round trade up (Pettis). The next guard taken was in round 5. Perhaps that run on Guards at the top of the 2nd impacted the 49ers into not taking a day 2 Guard. Point is, it may be a case of Pettis vs Connor Williams.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Not drafting an interior OL in this very deep scheme-fit draft was absolutely criminal in every way.

There was a run on Guards at the top of the 2nd round. The only other Guard taken in round 2 was Connor Williams who was available for the 49ers after the 2nd round trade up (Pettis). The next guard taken was in round 5. Perhaps that run on Guards at the top of the 2nd impacted the 49ers into not taking a day 2 Guard. Point is, it may be a case of Pettis vs Connor Williams.

Yeah. No doubt that run started right out of the gate and my stomach started to sink.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Not drafting an interior OL in this very deep scheme-fit draft was absolutely criminal in every way.

There was a run on Guards at the top of the 2nd round. The only other Guard taken in round 2 was Connor Williams who was available for the 49ers after the 2nd round trade up (Pettis). The next guard taken was in round 5. Perhaps that run on Guards at the top of the 2nd impacted the 49ers into not taking a day 2 Guard. Point is, it may be a case of Pettis vs Connor Williams.

Yeah. No doubt that run started right out of the gate and my stomach started to sink.

Sunken stomach syndrome! Terrible!

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Not drafting an interior OL in this very deep scheme-fit draft was absolutely criminal in every way.

There was a run on Guards at the top of the 2nd round. The only other Guard taken in round 2 was Connor Williams who was available for the 49ers after the 2nd round trade up (Pettis). The next guard taken was in round 5. Perhaps that run on Guards at the top of the 2nd impacted the 49ers into not taking a day 2 Guard. Point is, it may be a case of Pettis vs Connor Williams.

Teller and Quessenberry were on the board but we took 2 DBs and a guy with a torn ACL as if Guard wasn't an issue at all.

Coleman Shelton at C is an intriguing UDFA...could help as a backup as he seems to be a good scheme fit:

Coleman Shelton, C (Washington)
From NFLDraftScout.com:
Shelton, who earned first-team All-Pac 12 honors as a senior, isn't the biggest or strongest center, but he is among the quickest. His mobility and technique will be appreciated by zone-blocking schemes. Possesses a short, stubby frame well-suited to playing in the interior. Best attribute may be his light feet and balance. Shuffles easily from left to right in pass protection and shows good quickness for the trap block and to get out and pull. Very competitive. Highly respected by teammates and the coaching staff for his work ethic, including time spent in the film room.

Originally posted by TheNef77:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Not drafting an interior OL in this very deep scheme-fit draft was absolutely criminal in every way.

There was a run on Guards at the top of the 2nd round. The only other Guard taken in round 2 was Connor Williams who was available for the 49ers after the 2nd round trade up (Pettis). The next guard taken was in round 5. Perhaps that run on Guards at the top of the 2nd impacted the 49ers into not taking a day 2 Guard. Point is, it may be a case of Pettis vs Connor Williams.

Teller and Quessenberry were on the board but we took 2 DBs and a guy with a torn ACL as if Guard wasn't an issue at all.

Yeah, we met with Quessenberry too.

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Coleman Shelton at C is an intriguing UDFA...could help as a backup as he seems to be a good scheme fit:

Coleman Shelton, C (Washington):
Shelton, who earned first-team All-Pac 12 honors as a senior, isn't the biggest or strongest center, but he is among the quickest. His mobility and technique will be appreciated by zone-blocking schemes. Possesses a short, stubby frame well-suited to playing in the interior. Best attribute may be his light feet and balance. Shuffles easily from left to right in pass protection and shows good quickness for the trap block and to get out and pull. Very competitive. Highly respected by teammates and the coaching staff for his work ethic, including time spent in the film room.

More good info on Shelton (from University of Washington's SB Nation site: https://www.uwdawgpound.com/2018/4/29/17298852/washington-husky-football-2018-nfl-draft-undrafted-free-agent-signings):

Washington Offensive Lineman Coleman Shelton has signed a free agent agreement with the San Francisco 49ers.

As a four-year starter, Coleman Shelton has been one of the steadiest and most versatile linemen to ever play at Washington. Shelton can boast having started games in every single position along the offensive line. But it was the center position where Shelton found his groove. The Husky star racked up All PAC 12 team honors in both his junior and senior seasons, playing most of the time at center.

Shelton will go into the NFL as one of the most astute and technically sound offensive linemen coming out of this draft class. What he might lack in sheer size or strength, he makes up for in consistency and execution. While athletic enough to play guard, Coleman projects as a center at the next level.

According to his family, twenty teams put in similar bids for Shelton's services. After careful consideration, Coleman selected the 49ers where he will be reunited with fellow All PAC 12 star Dante Pettis.

Originally posted by pd24:
Wasn't Cooper pretty good last year?

Yes, he graded out pretty well and got better as the year went on. He was on track to be the Patriots starting right guard in 2016 before he got hurt late in camp. He's a good player when he can stay healthy.

There could be some veteran talent available as teams sort through their rosters and make some cuts...another good reason not to deplete the team's cap space. Lynch has shown he's not afraid to make moves that'll help the team. If Cooper plays well, I think he could be in line to get a decent extension...he turned 28 in Jan '18.

Originally posted by SteveYoung:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

So Jeep is worried about rams inside pressure from Donold and Suh. Well, i am worried SICK about that inside pressure considering we got guys like laken, beadles(gone probably), who are not good a protecting the passer, cooper who they seem to be hanging their hats on, and magnus who may or may not be able to block against hi caliber D like Suh/Darnold. Then there is GArnett, and who knows if he can block or not.

Therein is the "why" of the draft. Why not OGs? Unless the idea was to have McG play OG this yr and get a new OT next yr. i guess kyle knows what he is doing but i am going to be very disappointed in his stewardship if when we play tough Ds, we cannot block in the middle....at either OG. man i sure hope that isn't true but until i see the final product, that worries the hell out of me. Here, i pray i am dead wrong and at least two of those gaggle of OGs end up doing well in pass pro.

I am finally coming around to kyle's idea of blocking and it involves run blocking, not pass pro. IF every play is gone in under 2 seconds, ok, i can see it. IF not, well i am worried sick we didn't at least make an attempt at OG. It's their call, their azzes on the line, but it is OUR QB out there also. And i fear for his well being.

What guards would be better than the guys we have?

If you are asking about who else we could have taken, Wynn, Hernandez (UTEP, hope i got his name right) , Braden Smith, Cole, (Michigan) and Mason (Iowa, i think). But i was amazed that with no improvement in the Beadles, Laken, GArnett, Magnus, et al, that Trent B wasn't kept for a yr so we had one additional excellent pass pro OL. Either move Trent to OG or McG to OG. The other plays RT. What would that have hurt? That would have given us one more blocker this yr which we needed desperately. McG draft is fine. But getting rid of Trent makes the blocking situation no improvement for pass pro. So it was a lateral move from that standpoint. They didn't have to keep Trent next yr. But i think they goofed by not keeping this yr. I couldn't believe we took no other interior OL...backup C would have been nice, esp an OG/C and there were 3 or 4 as i recall. Nope, the boys dropped the ball here, moving up for Pettis when not needed, not getting an interior OL, esp OG/C variety. I don't understand what they were thinking. Sure hope Riichburg doesn't go down. There is a UDFA signed that is a C, but no idea if he can play or not.

Just guessing but i think Kyle just didn't like having an overweight guy on the team, esp if he came into camp overweight, as he has every other camp. Sure didn't bother Bellichek tho. I think we got screwed here. If they weren't going to draft at least one interior OL, then they should have kept Trent for one more lousy yr. He cost literally nothing.