49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

And out of those 12 teams, only 3 of them won at least 1 playoff game last season. I think that is telling.

That's unit spend for this year, not last.

All of those teams have been in the playoffs recently save for a couple and I'm willing to bet the Browns look far better with this OL this year too. Of those teams, all have high performing QB's save for a couple.

Again, when you have the QB, a primary goal is to protect them. That's proven here.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Epic posts - both of you.

It's a fascinating discussion on cap management, prioritizing positions, where teams are at in the building process, etc. Great stuff!

Gotta look at the salary with a grain of salt. Just b/c a guy is paid highly doesn't mean he's playing well. Look at the Raiders there o line didn't play that well last year yet they are highly paid. O line is vital

Originally posted by lamontb:

Gotta look at the salary with a grain of salt. Just b/c a guy is paid highly doesn't mean he's playing well. Look at the Raiders there o line didn't play that well last year yet they are highly paid. O line is vital

The Raiders gave up the fewest QB hits of anyone and PFF noted they did it with mostly just their 5 OL...didn't need the added help like other teams. They gave up 51. We gave up 116. Lots of different ways to define good OL play but I'd say they are getting their money's worth so far. David Carr would probably agree too. Maybe not?

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Thanks for the thoughtful posts!

I liked what Kyle said about trying to keep or get great players, no matter the position. But he also said you just can't have the best players at every position. That implies some positions may be more important, or if you have a great player at one position you may have to settle at another. He said, for instance, that it wasn't imperitive to have a Julio Jones on the roster.

All this is common sense, but looking back at how Mike Shanahan seemed to undervalue OL and RBs is interesting. I say undervalue but perhaps it's just a different perspective on what they need--intelligence over power, quickness over anchoring. Of course, it may be a 49% to 51% difference from another coach, but that allows him to find a second or third rounder to fill his need rather than needing to find the top guy in the league.

Also, for all those being hyperbolic about Shanahan speaking negatively about players...listen to the interview again. Sheesh! So much nonsense!

Exactly. Based on his growth philosophy, and now, as a personnel architect, he's got to decide how to build his team and he'll have to decide what he could or couldn't live without. It's tough.

Because of this, I was shocked he paid so much for McKinnon. You'd think, based on his dad, RB would be one position he'd find later in the drafts and never pay big money too.

Guess not...

Originally posted by NCommand:
Exactly. Based on his growth philosophy, and now, as a personnel architect, he's got to decide how to build his team and he'll have to decide what he could or couldn't live without. It's tough.

Because of this, I was shocked he paid so much for McKinnon. You'd think, based on his dad, RB would be one position he'd find later in the drafts and never pay big money too.

Guess not...

He also said a Julio could be a RB or TE or FB. That might be why he's willing to shell out for McKinnon. He sees him as a multiple threat guy who can break down defenses whether the ball goes to him or not...create chaos in coverage.

But had Jets not been so hot to sign him they would have probably paid another au Jus type salary of $5mil per or whatever it was. So they overpaid , which as noted above was over what they had thot. However, JL also noted that they were prepared to pay more yet. So there was an upper limit but jets bailed before that. Odd, when Shanahans are so well known for signing 4th and 5th rd RBs, at a whole lot less. Wonder if the Joe wiliams thing still rankles kyle. Sure embarrassed him to his GM, for sure. Could have had a bit to do with it perhaps.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by NCommand:
PS: With Richburg added, we are now 12th in unit spend on the OL. We still have a big decision to make on Brown for next year.

A lot of current or former playoff-caliber teams spend on that OL (buy and/or invest in-house). It's worth it.

OL is probably the safest position in FA to project because these guys play 1,000 snaps every year.

1 ATL $46,442,360
2 OAK $42,948,300
3 PHI $42,623,893
4 NO $40,911,010
5 DAL $39,943,578
6 CLE $37,698,535
7 WAS $36,011,808
8 DEN $36,000,850
9 NYJ $33,510,991
10 KC $33,352,398
11 PIT $33,231,290
12 SF $31,967,871

And the Pats not beingon here, makes me question how important the O-Line really is?

And out of those 12 teams, only 3 of them won at least 1 playoff game last season. I think that is telling.

I think there is a good chance Brown doesn't get resigned looking at that chart. With Staley garnering public support by the 49ers about a raise there is no way we push our Oline to the 1st or 2nd most expensive in the league by resigning Brown to top dollar. Could be why we are rumored to be interested in OT in the draft.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by NCommand:
PS: With Richburg added, we are now 12th in unit spend on the OL. We still have a big decision to make on Brown for next year.

A lot of current or former playoff-caliber teams spend on that OL (buy and/or invest in-house). It's worth it.

OL is probably the safest position in FA to project because these guys play 1,000 snaps every year.

1 ATL $46,442,360
2 OAK $42,948,300
3 PHI $42,623,893
4 NO $40,911,010
5 DAL $39,943,578
6 CLE $37,698,535
7 WAS $36,011,808
8 DEN $36,000,850
9 NYJ $33,510,991
10 KC $33,352,398
11 PIT $33,231,290
12 SF $31,967,871

And the Pats not beingon here, makes me question how important the O-Line really is?

And out of those 12 teams, only 3 of them won at least 1 playoff game last season. I think that is telling.

Exactly

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by NCommand:

PS: With Richburg added, we are now 12th in unit spend on the OL. We still have a big decision to make on Brown for next year.

A lot of current or former playoff-caliber teams spend on that OL (buy and/or invest in-house). It's worth it.

OL is probably the safest position in FA to project because these guys play 1,000 snaps every year.

1 ATL $46,442,360
2 OAK $42,948,300
3 PHI $42,623,893
4 NO $40,911,010
5 DAL $39,943,578
6 CLE $37,698,535
7 WAS $36,011,808
8 DEN $36,000,850
9 NYJ $33,510,991
10 KC $33,352,398
11 PIT $33,231,290
12 SF $31,967,871

And the Pats not beingon here, makes me question how important the O-Line really is?

And out of those 12 teams, only 3 of them won at least 1 playoff game last season. I think that is telling.

Not at all, just means they draft well. Besides if you want to go down that road ask the Packers or Colts if they wished they had a better OLine? Protect the franchise.

If you hit on an O-Lineman every 2 or 3 years it will never cost you much.

Oh and it never hurts to have a great OL coach.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Not at all, just means they draft well. Besides if you want to go down that road ask the Packers or Colts if they wished they had a better OLine? Protect the franchise.

If you hit on an O-Lineman every 2 or 3 years it will never cost you much.

Oh and it never hurts to have a great OL coach.

Originally posted by Bluesbro:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Not at all, just means they draft well. Besides if you want to go down that road ask the Packers or Colts if they wished they had a better OLine? Protect the franchise.

If you hit on an O-Lineman every 2 or 3 years it will never cost you much.

Oh and it never hurts to have a great OL coach.

Guy was a grade A badass

But he was...the BEST.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Bluesbro:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Not at all, just means they draft well. Besides if you want to go down that road ask the Packers or Colts if they wished they had a better OLine? Protect the franchise.

If you hit on an O-Lineman every 2 or 3 years it will never cost you much.

Oh and it never hurts to have a great OL coach.

Guy was a grade A badass

Yes he was. Master!

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NCommand:

PS: With Richburg added, we are now 12th in unit spend on the OL. We still have a big decision to make on Brown for next year.

A lot of current or former playoff-caliber teams spend on that OL (buy and/or invest in-house). It's worth it.

OL is probably the safest position in FA to project because these guys play 1,000 snaps every year.

1 ATL $46,442,360
2 OAK $42,948,300
3 PHI $42,623,893
4 NO $40,911,010
5 DAL $39,943,578
6 CLE $37,698,535
7 WAS $36,011,808
8 DEN $36,000,850
9 NYJ $33,510,991
10 KC $33,352,398
11 PIT $33,231,290
12 SF $31,967,871

Sure. I'm looking at though, we're already getting Staley on the cheap because he's getting HALF what Solder just got. Then, consider Brown is going to want what he'd get on the open market - just like Jimmy G. There are at least 5 teams that would pay Brown 14 per year and so if you throw that into the mix I think we'd be at 45 mil with who we got or add Norwell and we'd be looking at 60 mil in 2019 in our O-line - even for you, that has to be too much. There comes a point where you can't pay everyone along a line at top tier money without it hurting your team.

Epic posts - both of you.

Isn't Zane Beadles making $5M this season? Subtract that, and we'd be 15 or under I would imagine.