49ers Offensive Line

Lots of folks around here advocating we take a guard in the first round. With so many first round busts at guard on the roster....I think we should avoid taking a first round guard.

We should be bringing every second and third tier FA gaurd in before the draft.

I'm hoping Garnett's hype is real, and we don't need to burn a gig pick on a gaurd.

I'd like to see 5-6 rounder go gaurd, tackle to keep building a stable of back ups, and provide completion.

I'm in a pretty good place as far as what we have signed, and how we plan to use them.

Lastly having backs that excell in broken field running and QB with a wicked fast release will make the line look better

If Nelson is somehow still there at 9, our phone will be ringing off the hook. Pretty hard in such a deep draft not to gladly take another day 2 pick.

I still think we need another guard (preferably a guy who can play center too), but I agree that an all-world mauler like Nelson is probably overkill for ZBS.

We can find an athlete or two like Weston later in the draft.

He isn't what Shanahan looks for in linemen.
Not buying that, maybe holds weight as a Left Tackle, but anyone who can handle the speed and agility of Ogbonnia Okoronkwo, even if just for a day as he did in Day 1 of Senior Bowl practice, is plenty athletic enough.

Crosby would be a great Guard for us, not as good a tackle, but could handle it if we were in a bind.

Originally posted by English:

Indeed, but as things stand it is not the job of college football to develop players for the NFL. That is a biproduct of their own success. If the NFL feels that quarterbacks and OT's, to name a couple, are not being developed in the way they wish by the college game, they can set up their own development league, they can change their style of play to suit the players coming out of college, or they can just carry on whinging about it.

True, nice post

Wyatt Teller in the 2nd or 3rd, depending on where Orokonwo is slated to go.

Originally posted by SteveYoung:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Two basic ways to build a defense. Outside in, and inside out. In other words, one way is to have middle linebackers that are a dominant force and have your defensive scheme funnel the plays to the middle to where they are. So defenses with that kind of philosophy usually have top elite middle linebackers roaming behind the line of scrimmage and all the players are taught that if you miss a tackle, miss outside because your help is inside. The reverse is also true, and Seiferts defenses were built inside out. He always had strong NT's and DT's to force teams to go outside and he had big corners for run support and smaller faster linebackers behind the line of scrimmage to plug holes and force the play outside. Both the Seifert 3-4 elephant and Caroll 4-3 under teams, if you miss, then miss inside and force the player to go outside to the big corners or out of bounds.

I misspoke earlier, Wade's defense is "outside in."

Allow Ware to expound. "In the 3-4, you have five linemen on the front end and only two linebackers," he said. "It's a one-gap scheme. My job is now I can be a lot more aggressive on the outside, set the edge on the outside and make sure everything is funneled to the guys in the middle. It's like
(having) one responsibility."

https://www.denverpost.com/2016/02/07/for-wade-phillips-broncos-3-4-defense-and-one-gap-equals-dominance/

What that means is that Kyle's ZBS is a perfect match for Wade's defense because Kyle's offense is designed to go *outside* where Wade's scheme breaks down if they can't contain the opposing offense going outside. With McKinnon and faster guards, the outside is just waiting to be opened up with a well timed counter play, or a fake reverse, or a fake dive. In other words, if you can fake Wade's defenses just a little, that defense is vulnerable to the big play going outside. With the speed McKinnon has and with faster guards (I wish our guards were faster!) if Kyle's offense can break Wade's outside containment - I can see a big chunks of yardage against the Rams this upcoming season when we face them.

Very nice post.

+1

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
C is also critical to Kyle's offense and it wouldn't surprise me if we go a top C to play G and back up Richburg.

The number of really good centers in the draft would make this logical. Also, while Richburg doesn't have the injury history Kilgore did, does Kyle want to put all his chips in one guy? Don't think so, and Magnuson may be good, but a dependable starter? Hmm...

Exactly my line of thinking too!

I see them possibly drafting a C who can play G and an OT who can play G. That would greatly solidify the G position while building quality depth for OT and C.

good post, dtg, and it makes me think about what all of us are missing...none of us know what shape or status Magnus, Garnett, et al are in and how ready they are. Are they legit starters? Is one of them? Including the new guy here. JL and KS know. We don't , so they know a lot better what we have...and what we don't. And that is what ultimately determines what we do, who we take, and where.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

He isn't what Shanahan looks for in linemen.
Not buying that, maybe holds weight as a Left Tackle, but anyone who can handle the speed and agility of Ogbonnia Okoronkwo, even if just for a day as he did in Day 1 of Senior Bowl practice, is plenty athletic enough.

Crosby would be a great Guard for us, not as good a tackle, but could handle it if we were in a bind.

Not happening man.

Steve you sold me on Crosby not being a good fit. He is a little slower and more of a mauler than I thought. Who do you like in the draft for O line? Ideally we could use, and it seems like Shanny and Lynch like guys with versatility, which makes sense, because if a guy can play multiple spots, then it gives you roster flexibility. So I could see us looking for a Center who can play guard, so Richburg has a capable back up, who very well might be playing right next to him while he's healthy. I also like a Guard type who can be a Tackle. Adding 2 guys like that in the draft could really solidify our line as far as flexibility, and potentially push off guys like Tomlinson or Beadles who are expendable if we have the right replacements.

Originally posted by Bobdawg78:

Steve you sold me on Crosby not being a good fit. He is a little slower and more of a mauler than I thought. Who do you like in the draft for O line? Ideally we could use, and it seems like Shanny and Lynch like guys with versatility, which makes sense, because if a guy can play multiple spots, then it gives you roster flexibility. So I could see us looking for a Center who can play guard, so Richburg has a capable back up, who very well might be playing right next to him while he's healthy. I also like a Guard type who can be a Tackle. Adding 2 guys like that in the draft could really solidify our line as far as flexibility, and potentially push off guys like Tomlinson or Beadles who are expendable if we have the right replacements.

All Saleh has preached is getting off the field on 3rd downs. We have the D to stop the run it seems but we lack a pressure 3rd down set that can get the ball back to our offense.

I think our line is set personally and I don't see any rookies that will unseat any of the guys we have.

LT- Staley
LG- Cooper / Beadles
C- Richburg / Magnunsen
RG- Tomlinson / Garnett
RT- Brown?? / Gilliam

I've said it a thousand times but I don't think we will look to upgrade our guards. There is one prospect who would be ideal and that is Wynn but I just cannot see Lynch taking a guard in round.

Instead I really believe we will look to add a tackle to push or at the very least replace Brown. I'm very high on Kolton Miller. Shanahan values Tackles and centers in this scheme paired with athletic, mobile guards.

We also need a CB but in this scheme guys who are big and physical but don't necessarily test seem to fall.

Isaiah Oliver - Colorado Round 2
Carlton Davis - Auburn, Round 2
Quenton Meeks - Stanford, Round 3
Isaac Yiadom - Boston College Round 3
Kameron Kelly - SD State Round 3

All are ideal fits.

In a perfect world we add a OT, LB, DE and CB on rounds 1-3. Trade down to the middle 1st adding a 2nd.

1a- Kolton Miller, OT, UCLA
2a- Ogbonnia Okoronkwo, LEO, Oklahoma
2b- Uchenna Nwosu, SAM, USC
3a- Josey Jewell, MLB, Iowa
3b- Isaac Yiadom, CB, Boston College
4- Durham Smythe TE, Notre Dame
5- Sam Jones, OG, Arizona St.

In this scenerio we add an ideal who tested off the charts. A LEO in the Cliff Avril mode. A SAM in the Bruce Irvin mold. An old school two down thumping MLB, A tall physical CB, the best blocking TE in the draft and a smart, athletic OG for depth.

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Lots of folks around here advocating we take a guard in the first round. With so many first round busts at guard on the roster....I think we should avoid taking a first round guard.

We should be bringing every second and third tier FA gaurd in before the draft.

I'm hoping Garnett's hype is real, and we don't need to burn a gig pick on a gaurd.

I'd like to see 5-6 rounder go gaurd, tackle to keep building a stable of back ups, and provide completion.

I'm in a pretty good place as far as what we have signed, and how we plan to use them.

Lastly having backs that excell in broken field running and QB with a wicked fast release will make the line look better

I like this post

And btw, the way you spell guard is how I use to spell the word for a very long time

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
good post, dtg, and it makes me think about what all of us are missing...none of us know what shape or status Magnus, Garnett, et al are in and how ready they are. Are they legit starters? Is one of them? Including the new guy here. JL and KS know. We don't , so they know a lot better what we have...and what we don't. And that is what ultimately determines what we do, who we take, and where.

Thanks Paso! It would be great if Kyle could turn two of these OGs currently on the roster into starters! He no doubt knows what they can do and at worst they will be good depth. I can't imagine he signed them without believing somewhat in their ability to play in his scheme. Plus, JG with an offseason under his belt, Garcon back, draft picks...they should take a huge step forward on offense. Defense is a bigger question I believe.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
good post, dtg, and it makes me think about what all of us are missing...none of us know what shape or status Magnus, Garnett, et al are in and how ready they are. Are they legit starters? Is one of them? Including the new guy here. JL and KS know. We don't , so they know a lot better what we have...and what we don't. And that is what ultimately determines what we do, who we take, and where.

Thanks Paso! It would be great if Kyle could turn two of these OGs currently on the roster into starters! He no doubt knows what they can do and at worst they will be good depth. I can't imagine he signed them without believing somewhat in their ability to play in his scheme. Plus, JG with an offseason under his belt, Garcon back, draft picks...they should take a huge step forward on offense. Defense is a bigger question I believe.

Even though the offense will be much improved, I think the defense will show much improvement, also.

Originally posted by English:
Indeed, but as things stand it is not the job of college football to develop players for the NFL. That is a biproduct of their own success. If the NFL feels that quarterbacks and OT's, to name a couple, are not being developed in the way they wish by the college game, they can set up their own development league, they can change their style of play to suit the players coming out of college, or they can just carry on whinging about it.

As the guys whining about it are different from the guys with the money, the whining will continue for the foreseeable future - unless one of the spring leagues breaks even for everyone's greatest surprise. Rumor is that multiple NFL execs want the CFL to become a developmental league, but the owners do not want to share the revenue.

Originally posted by LVJay:

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Lots of folks around here advocating we take a guard in the first round. With so many first round busts at guard on the roster....I think we should avoid taking a first round guard.

We should be bringing every second and third tier FA gaurd in before the draft.

I'm hoping Garnett's hype is real, and we don't need to burn a gig pick on a gaurd.

I'd like to see 5-6 rounder go gaurd, tackle to keep building a stable of back ups, and provide completion.

I'm in a pretty good place as far as what we have signed, and how we plan to use them.

Lastly having backs that excell in broken field running and QB with a wicked fast release will make the line look better

I like this post

And btw, the way you spell guard is how I use to spell the word for a very long time

Ive been battling dyslexia all my life, I hate two letter couplets, they are the bane of my existence....