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Originally posted by SteveYoung:
5 mil for Cooper. We can probably say he was signed to start at LG with Tomlinson, Garnett and possibly a rookie competing at RG.
Originally posted by oldninerdude: I would be very interested in any further explanation of this that you might care to post. much more informative than the "hand-wringing" posts you refer to above. You appear to be looking at the forest, and are not just focused on the trees--on KS's vision for the offense, not just the plusses and/or minusses of any one o-lineman or another. good stuff, much appreciated.
Allow Ware to expound. "In the 3-4, you have five linemen on the front end and only two linebackers," he said. "It's a one-gap scheme. My job is now I can be a lot more aggressive on the outside, set the edge on the outside and make sure everything is funneled to the guys in the middle. It's like
(having) one responsibility."
https://www.denverpost.com/2016/02/07/for-wade-phillips-broncos-3-4-defense-and-one-gap-equals-dominance/
Originally posted by SteveYoung:Originally posted by NCommand:My man Jeff came through. Naturally, he couldn't quantify the difference between the Hoyer/BeatHard vs. Garropolo-effect on the OL regarding QB hits and pressures as that would be paid information via PFF but...
Thanks! Hits and hurries also went down quite a bit with Garoppolo.
— Jeff Deeney (@PFF_Jeff) March 22, 2018
If anyone has access to the paid advanced stats, please post. It would be great to project for next season.
Another important factor is the play designs. Kyle knew we had a busted up Brown, filed through Gilliam, Magnuson and Beadles at RT and Tomlinson, Kilgore and Fusco were unleashing 116 QB hits through 16 games. I'm sure that affected the play designs regarding protections and scheming receivers quickly open for Garoppolo with a major teaching point to get rid of the ball under 2.5 seconds TBS.
Well there we have it.
As I stated 2 months ago the majority of the hits and pressures were on the QB's Hoyer and Beathard.
Same thing happened when guys were blaming our linemen for Kaepernick taking 3 or 4 sacks a game when he was running around in circles in the pocket absolutely cluess.
Originally posted by Giedi:very interesting and informative. thanks.
Originally posted by oldninerdude: I would be very interested in any further explanation of this that you might care to post. much more informative than the "hand-wringing" posts you refer to above. You appear to be looking at the forest, and are not just focused on the trees--on KS's vision for the offense, not just the plusses and/or minusses of any one o-lineman or another. good stuff, much appreciated.
Two basic ways to build a defense. Outside in, and inside out. In other words, one way is to have middle linebackers that are a dominant force and have your defensive scheme funnel the plays to the middle to where they are. So defenses with that kind of philosophy usually have top elite middle linebackers roaming behind the line of scrimmage and all the players are taught that if you miss a tackle, miss outside because your help is inside. The reverse is also true, and Seiferts defenses were built inside out. He always had strong NT's and DT's to force teams to go outside and he had big corners for run support and smaller faster linebackers behind the line of scrimmage to plug holes and force the play outside. Both the Seifert 3-4 elephant and Caroll 4-3 under teams, if you miss, then miss inside and force the player to go outside to the big corners or out of bounds.
I misspoke earlier, Wade's defense is "outside in."
Allow Ware to expound. "In the 3-4, you have five linemen on the front end and only two linebackers," he said. "It's a one-gap scheme. My job is now I can be a lot more aggressive on the outside, set the edge on the outside and make sure everything is funneled to the guys in the middle. It's like
(having) one responsibility."
https://www.denverpost.com/2016/02/07/for-wade-phillips-broncos-3-4-defense-and-one-gap-equals-dominance/
What that means is that Kyle's ZBS is a perfect match for Wade's defense because Kyle's offense is designed to go *outside* where Wade's scheme breaks down if they can't contain the opposing offense going outside. With McKinnon and faster guards, the outside is just waiting to be opened up with a well timed counter play, or a fake reverse, or a fake dive. In other words, if you can fake Wade's defenses just a little, that defense is vulnerable to the big play going outside. With the speed McKinnon has and with faster guards (I wish our guards were faster!) if Kyle's offense can break Wade's outside containment - I can see a big chunks of yardage against the Rams this upcoming season when we face them.
Originally posted by dtg_9er:The good thing about drafting an OT is they can often start out at OG and then move to OT when necessary. LTs are generally the best OL on college teams. There are more good OTs this year than OGs and OCs together--according to CBS big board--they have four OCs and four OGs as top two rounds, but nine OTs. Haven't checked Maddogs list yet.
Originally posted by FaTaL:
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
The good thing about drafting an OT is they can often start out at OG and then move to OT when necessary. LTs are generally the best OL on college teams. There are more good OTs this year than OGs and OCs together--according to CBS big board--they have four OCs and four OGs as top two rounds, but nine OTs. Haven't checked Maddogs list yet.
Your wrong it's a heavy interior line draft and weak at tackles. Top of the line tackles are no longer being produced because of spread offenses. Teams will defiantly reach for these lower top tier tackles hoping to hit the lottery
Originally posted by KezarLivin:Brutally weak at OT. I'd rate at least 5 OG/Cs in this draft over all OTs. OT in the first round particularly at 9 is reach city.
Originally posted by FaTaL:
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
The good thing about drafting an OT is they can often start out at OG and then move to OT when necessary. LTs are generally the best OL on college teams. There are more good OTs this year than OGs and OCs together--according to CBS big board--they have four OCs and four OGs as top two rounds, but nine OTs. Haven't checked Maddogs list yet.
Your wrong it's a heavy interior line draft and weak at tackles. Top of the line tackles are no longer being produced because of spread offenses. Teams will defiantly reach for these lower top tier tackles hoping to hit the lottery
Originally posted by dtg_9er:At this point no one knows but you could be correct. This draft is strong at OG at the top but from 20 through 65 there will be more OTs taken. If you combine OGs and OCs they will break even. If you think the niners will take Nelson at #9 so be it, but I believe Nelsen will be gone and the niners will need to find OL from 59-74. I see that Maddog has Connor Williams listed as an OG while most list him at OT. That is the type of player I could see the niners look at. If he can play OG for a few years and be ready to replace an OT later? Great. If they trade back Williams should still be available.
Edit: I don't pretend to know which OTs will be moved to OG or vice versa. I list them as they played in college and let guys like Maddog move them around. He watches a lot of college so...trust in MD. One guys I have read about is Wynn because he is rated high for mobility, which is what the niners will be looking for. CBS lists him at OT, Maddog at OG.
Originally posted by FaTaL:The days of the Jonathan Ogden's seem to be over
It's really sad
Originally posted by Bobdawg78:Nice post NC, I have been pushing for Crosby in the 3rd for quite some time now. Crosby is the guy we can draft and have back up both T spots this year. Then if Brown leaves in FA, he can become the starting RT. In the 1st round I want Edmunds, and in the 2nd I want the best CB, or if an elite Guard slips I would go that route.
Originally posted by Giedi:Two basic ways to build a defense. Outside in, and inside out. In other words, one way is to have middle linebackers that are a dominant force and have your defensive scheme funnel the plays to the middle to where they are. So defenses with that kind of philosophy usually have top elite middle linebackers roaming behind the line of scrimmage and all the players are taught that if you miss a tackle, miss outside because your help is inside. The reverse is also true, and Seiferts defenses were built inside out. He always had strong NT's and DT's to force teams to go outside and he had big corners for run support and smaller faster linebackers behind the line of scrimmage to plug holes and force the play outside. Both the Seifert 3-4 elephant and Caroll 4-3 under teams, if you miss, then miss inside and force the player to go outside to the big corners or out of bounds.
I misspoke earlier, Wade's defense is "outside in."
Allow Ware to expound. "In the 3-4, you have five linemen on the front end and only two linebackers," he said. "It's a one-gap scheme. My job is now I can be a lot more aggressive on the outside, set the edge on the outside and make sure everything is funneled to the guys in the middle. It's like
(having) one responsibility."
https://www.denverpost.com/2016/02/07/for-wade-phillips-broncos-3-4-defense-and-one-gap-equals-dominance/
What that means is that Kyle's ZBS is a perfect match for Wade's defense because Kyle's offense is designed to go *outside* where Wade's scheme breaks down if they can't contain the opposing offense going outside. With McKinnon and faster guards, the outside is just waiting to be opened up with a well timed counter play, or a fake reverse, or a fake dive. In other words, if you can fake Wade's defenses just a little, that defense is vulnerable to the big play going outside. With the speed McKinnon has and with faster guards (I wish our guards were faster!) if Kyle's offense can break Wade's outside containment - I can see a big chunks of yardage against the Rams this upcoming season when we face them.