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Mar 22, 2018 at 7:49 PM

Giedi
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Originally posted by okdkid:
Originally posted by Giedi:
One way to protect a QB from QB hits is to just call more runs. During the last 5 games, Hyde's carries took a noticeable up-tick, not by much, just a few carries, but Breida's carries almost doubled during those last 5 games. Breida, I would think, would be used more in passing downs vs Hyde. So that's a significant method to cut down on Jimmy's QB hits.

It's easy to run the ball when you're not down 14 at half. The increase in rushes is directly related to the Niners having leads in the 4th.

You make my point. When you are rushing the ball, the QB isn't getting hit.

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Mar 22, 2018 at 8:07 PM

#8492

NorthBay49er
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I see us drafting a T

Mar 23, 2018 at 1:58 AM

#8493

Giedi
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Originally posted by NorthBay49er:
I see us drafting a T

Well, they are looking at a lot of guards and tackles in the draft.

So that's definitely a possibility.

Mar 23, 2018 at 4:20 AM

#8494

808niner4lyphe
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2018 starting OL

Staley-Cooper-Richburg-Garnett-Brown

We're going with Harold as our 1st pick. Book it!!

Mar 23, 2018 at 4:30 AM

#8495

pdizo916
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Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
2018 starting OL

Staley-Cooper-Richburg-Garnett-Brown

We're going with Harold as our 1st pick. Book it!!

Staley-

Cooper

Richburg

Garnett

Brown

But I would flip cooper and Garnett. I would have Garnett play on the left side.

Mar 23, 2018 at 4:36 AM

#8496

808niner4lyphe
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Originally posted by pdizo916:
Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
2018 starting OL

Staley-Cooper-Richburg-Garnett-Brown

We're going with Harold as our 1st pick. Book it!!

Staley-

Cooper

Richburg

Garnett

Brown

But I would flip cooper and Garnett. I would have Garnett play on the left side.

Cooper played well on the left side with Dallas last season before he got hurt but sucked pretty bad on the right side with Cleveland. Garnett will surprise a lot of the doubters and he did start on the right side when he played so he has some familiarity there.

Mar 23, 2018 at 4:50 AM

#8497

mayo49
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Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
2018 starting OL

Staley-Cooper-Richburg-Garnett-Brown

We're going with Harold as our 1st pick. Book it!!

I'm with your lineup, but we're going with Roquan Smith with our 1st pick.

Mar 23, 2018 at 6:38 AM

#8498

808niner4lyphe
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Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
2018 starting OL

Staley-Cooper-Richburg-Garnett-Brown

We're going with Harold as our 1st pick. Book it!!

I'm with your lineup, but we're going with Roquan Smith with our 1st pick.

Defense will definitely be hard to penetrate with either one of those guys.

Mar 23, 2018 at 7:26 AM

#8499

StubbyNBY
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Originally posted by NorthBay49er:
I see us drafting a T

I agree. I could even see us drafting a T before we draft a guard. ideally we take a Tackle who can also pay guard or vice versa.... Connor Williams, Austin Corbett, Brian O'Neil are 3 of those guys who I like a lot.

Mar 23, 2018 at 7:29 AM

#8500

NYniner85
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Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
2018 starting OL

Staley-Cooper-Richburg-Garnett-Brown

We're going with Harold as our 1st pick. Book it!!

I'm with your lineup, but we're going with Roquan Smith with our 1st pick.

nah it's gonna be EDGE (would be fine with Smith also)...just going back and watching some of our games last yr, there was zero pressure on the outside (I mean it was sad). Not letting the QB have all day to throw the ball makes everyone on defense better.

Mar 23, 2018 at 7:30 AM

#8501

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Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by NorthBay49er:
I see us drafting a T

I do too. LT is way too important of a position in a passing offense to not plan for the future. Joe has 3 years tops. Brown isn't a dependable commodity at this stage. Investment is needed here.

right and a investment of a mid-rd OT makes sense....over drafting one would be a mistake.

Mar 23, 2018 at 7:33 AM

#8502

SteveYoung
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Originally posted by NCommand:
My man Jeff came through. Naturally, he couldn't quantify the difference between the Hoyer/BeatHard vs. Garropolo-effect on the OL regarding QB hits and pressures as that would be paid information via PFF but...

Thanks! Hits and hurries also went down quite a bit with Garoppolo.
— Jeff Deeney (@PFF_Jeff) March 22, 2018

If anyone has access to the paid advanced stats, please post. It would be great to project for next season.

Another important factor is the play designs. Kyle knew we had a busted up Brown, filed through Gilliam, Magnuson and Beadles at RT and Tomlinson, Kilgore and Fusco were unleashing 116 QB hits through 16 games. I'm sure that affected the play designs regarding protections and scheming receivers quickly open for Garoppolo with a major teaching point to get rid of the ball under 2.5 seconds TBS.

Well there we have it.

As I stated 2 months ago the majority of the hits and pressures were on the QB's Hoyer and Beathard.

Same thing happened when guys were blaming our linemen for Kaepernick taking 3 or 4 sacks a game when he was running around in circles in the pocket absolutely cluess.

Mar 23, 2018 at 7:40 AM

#8503

SteveYoung
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5 mil for Cooper. We can probably say he was signed to start at LG with Tomlinson, Garnett and possibly a rookie competing at RG.

Mar 23, 2018 at 8:01 AM

#8504

dtg_9er
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Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by NorthBay49er:
I see us drafting a T

I do too. LT is way too important of a position in a passing offense to not plan for the future. Joe has 3 years tops. Brown isn't a dependable commodity at this stage. Investment is needed here.

The good thing about drafting an OT is they can often start out at OG and then move to OT when necessary. LTs are generally the best OL on college teams. There are more good OTs this year than OGs and OCs together--according to CBS big board--they have four OCs and four OGs as top two rounds, but nine OTs. Haven't checked Maddogs list yet.

Mar 23, 2018 at 10:07 AM

#8505

TheXFactor
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Originally posted by SteveYoung:
5 mil for Cooper. We can probably say he was signed to start at LG with Tomlinson, Garnett and possibly a rookie competing at RG.

Yep that seems to make the most sense.