49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by NinerGM:
I think the OL still has A LOT of work ahead of it and we can't look at today's projected starters as anything near a finished product. Every projected starter on this line except for Staley and Tomlinson is returning from some sort of injury.

Richburg, Brown, Cooper, Garnett, Gilliam are all either returning from injury or had some sort of off-season procedure. Beadles and Magnusson are depth players. I'm sure this hasn't gone unnoticed and OL, particularly interior OL will be addressed in the draft. The Cooper signing again means we aren't forced to reach for a player, that is (as NC said) this essentially is last year's line with a couple of tweak improvements. Cooper replaces Fusco. Richburg replaces Kilgore. Net positive on paper, but at the very least I imagine Richburg will play at least as good as a healthy Kilgore.

The key will be finding young talent who can come in and force Beadles off the team, because we're absolutely clear how bad he plays in this scheme. Additionally, we need those drafted players to push every guard at this point.

Players rise and fall every year. At this time last year, you wouldn't have believed me if I told you we were going to cut our best corner and trade out second best corner before mid-season and that our rook was going to seriously step up and be our best pure CB.

I think the key here will be for the guys to stay HEALTHY throughout mini-camp, camp and the preseason - so they can learn and develop as a unit - whoever the starting 5 will be.

Good post!

Originally posted by SteveYoung:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Same:

Tackles:
Joe Staley - 33 and fought through nagging injuries over the past 3 years.
Gary Gilliam - backup at best
Pace Murphy - who?
Trenton Brown - labrum surgery, due a big contract, scheme-fit?
Darrell Williams Jr. - ?

Guards:
Jonathan Cooper - to date, first round bust
Laken Tomlinson - to date, first round bust
Zane Beadles - cutting him saves $3.5M
Joshua Garnett - to date, first round bust
Andrew Lauderdale - who?

Centers:
Weston Richburg - premier C potential
Erik Magnuson - coming off foot surgery

I'm not sure why anyone is feeling great about this line today or tomorrow.

Lake Tomlinson and Jonathan Cooper started all of last year and were solid players. They maybe weren't Superstars but they were solid.

Laken Tomlinson 70.7 (#32)
Jonathan Cooper 67.0 (#35)

To put in in perspective the starting guards in the Super Bowl were:

Stefen Wisniewski 74.8 (#26)
Brandon Brooks 88.3 (#4)

Joe Thuney 79.0 (#14)
Shaq Mason 81.1 (#10)

Atlanta Falcons guards:

Andy Levitre 78.0 (#17)
Wes Schweitzer 43.7 (#54.0)
This year they added:
Brandon Fusco 76.0 (#21) to replace Schweitzer.

Now I guarantee that if we had Jimmy Garappolo the entire year and Jonathan Cooper was in a zone scheme that suits him our guards rankings would be higher as well.

Teams don't need All Pro guards as long as they fit the scheme they are running.

If we feel there is a guard who fits our scheme who will be better than the guys we have we will make a move but the only guy that will be available and be an upgrade is Isaiah Wynn and I can't see us going guard in rounds 1 or 2 with our holes on D.

If you're cool with an interior that gave up the 4th most QB hits (116) almost exclusively right up the gut, mediocre is what you got. No doubt Richburg has a chance to help that a ton mentally and physically though. But interior G pass protection is critical especially in our division.

The good news is there might be quite a few scheme fit interior OL in play for us in a deep and talented class.

As of now, one injury, and we're hurting and right back to the same OL play we've seen in years past. A FQB can mask a lot but eventually, 16 games of hits will catch up to you.

I see a lot of people on here way overboard in both directions. Some people think we have a shot at the playoffs some think Kyle and Lynch are overrated and we still suck. Lmao. If you think we still suck your wrong and just have a pessimistic outlook. To those that think we have a shot at a playoff berth as currently constructed your wrong. At least wait until the draft is over. They made two nice scheme fit acquisitions in Jet and Richburg. The Sherman lotto ticket is a ticket you have to buy at that price.

Missing out on Peters and Talib sucks but it happens and Talib didn't even want to play here so that's on him. Thank God they didn't throw money at these CBs who were meh imo. Watkins sane thing. Robinson would have been nice but that's elite money for a guy that has had one elite year coming off an ACL injury. They spent money wisely and if Richburg and Jet's deals prove to be unwise they front loaded them so they won't have issues resigning players we draft (which is the proper way to build a team imo) to extensions.

We got the biggest piece in a QB but still need to fix the pass rush and OL. Depth at CB and LB would be nice too. If Nelson is there at 9 they will take him because it's a need and he would probably be bpa. T isn't as much of a need although it definitely needs to be addressed because it soon will be but G and pass rush is the more pressing issue and we only have so many picks. We need 1 premium G in the draft imo in round 1 or 2 unless they think they can get a guy in round 3 then go pass rusher corner or pass rusher and whatever.

Either way we are barely a little over a year into this rebuild and if you can't be optimistic about what they have done to this point your a fool. I think fans should be juiced but try not to be to disappointed if it doesn't happen this year. There are still a lot of holes to fill and please try and remember what the talent level on the roster was just a year ago.

Originally posted by NCommand:
If you're cool with an interior that gave up the 4th most QB hits (116) almost exclusively right up the gut, mediocre is what you got. No doubt Richburg has a chance to help that a ton mentally and physically though. But interior G pass protection is critical especially in our division.

The good news is there might be quite a few scheme fit interior OL in play for us in a deep and talented class.

As of now, one injury, and we're hurting and right back to the same OL play we've seen in years past. A FQB can mask a lot but eventually, 16 games of hits will catch up to you.

i do not understand those who do not understand those last 9 words. i keep hearing scheme. i am sure that is important but if you keep getting bull rushed. have to hold cuz you get beat and just plain miss your assignments does it really matter the so called scheme you play in

Originally posted by NCommand:
If you're cool with an interior that gave up the 4th most QB hits (116) almost exclusively right up the gut, mediocre is what you got. No doubt Richburg has a chance to help that a ton mentally and physically though. But interior G pass protection is critical especially in our division.

The good news is there might be quite a few scheme fit interior OL in play for us in a deep and talented class.

As of now, one injury, and we're hurting and right back to the same OL play we've seen in years past. A FQB can mask a lot but eventually, 16 games of hits will catch up to you.

The OL is the toughest area to master in the WCO. Guys need to be quick, intelligent and tenacious. I believe Shanahan already knows what these guys can be and will either sell the farm to improve during the draft or through trades if he isn't happy with the current players. The second year in the WCO should show a significant improvement. Not saying he'll win a SB his third year...but on the other hand...

Still available... just say'n

Originally posted by NCommand:

If you're cool with an interior that gave up the 4th most QB hits (116) almost exclusively right up the gut, mediocre is what you got. No doubt Richburg has a chance to help that a ton mentally and physically though. But interior G pass protection is critical especially in our division.

The good news is there might be quite a few scheme fit interior OL in play for us in a deep and talented class.

As of now, one injury, and we're hurting and right back to the same OL play we've seen in years past. A FQB can mask a lot but eventually, 16 games of hits will catch up to you.

Do you have a stat saying how many of those hits were the fault of Hoyer and Beathard not getting rid of the ball?

I guarantee you one thing is that we weren't 4th in the league in QB hits when Garrapolo was starting.

whether we were fourth or 40th, jimmy took to many hits . he got rid of the ball which is nice cuz he never took a sack. but he got hit far to many times. our team has been piss poor in pass protection. no matter the qb. in my opinion going back to 2011. jimmy just put a nice big old band aid on our issues for six games in my opinion

Originally posted by IHATELOWELLCOHN:
I see a lot of people on here way overboard in both directions. Some people think we have a shot at the playoffs some think Kyle and Lynch are overrated and we still suck. Lmao. If you think we still suck your wrong and just have a pessimistic outlook. To those that think we have a shot at a playoff berth as currently constructed your wrong. At least wait until the draft is over. They made two nice scheme fit acquisitions in Jet and Richburg. The Sherman lotto ticket is a ticket you have to buy at that price.

Missing out on Peters and Talib sucks but it happens and Talib didn't even want to play here so that's on him. Thank God they didn't throw money at these CBs who were meh imo. Watkins sane thing. Robinson would have been nice but that's elite money for a guy that has had one elite year coming off an ACL injury. They spent money wisely and if Richburg and Jet's deals prove to be unwise they front loaded them so they won't have issues resigning players we draft (which is the proper way to build a team imo) to extensions.

We got the biggest piece in a QB but still need to fix the pass rush and OL. Depth at CB and LB would be nice too. If Nelson is there at 9 they will take him because it's a need and he would probably be bpa. T isn't as much of a need although it definitely needs to be addressed because it soon will be but G and pass rush is the more pressing issue and we only have so many picks. We need 1 premium G in the draft imo in round 1 or 2 unless they think they can get a guy in round 3 then go pass rusher corner or pass rusher and whatever.

Either way we are barely a little over a year into this rebuild and if you can't be optimistic about what they have done to this point your a fool. I think fans should be juiced but try not to be to disappointed if it doesn't happen this year. There are still a lot of holes to fill and please try and remember what the talent level on the roster was just a year ago.

I agree with you completely.

Lynch and Shanahan have made great strides in turning over the roster, but more work is to be done. The team still has needs at interior G, a pass rusher, and LB and CB depth to boot. The team is not going to be bad next season nor would I expect them to contend for a Super Bowl.

It's important for people to consider that there is no perfect team. That is, every NFL team has positions of weakness it is looking to address. It is what makes the games interesting, and it is how you get teams like New Orleans that can win by airing it out or teams like Jacksonville that can win with stifling defense despite middling QB play.

Originally posted by cciowa:

whether we were fourth or 40th, jimmy took to many hits . he got rid of the ball which is nice cuz he never took a sack. but he got hit far to many times. our team has been piss poor in pass protection. no matter the qb. in my opinion going back to 2011. jimmy just put a nice big old band aid on our issues for six games in my opinion

That's all fine and dandy saying that but what's the solution?? Aside from Quenton Nelson who isn't a fit and won't be available and Isaiah Wynn (doubtful we take a guard in round 1) what moves can be made to improve the guys we have??

Originally posted by Geeked:


Still available... just say'n

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Originally posted by SteveYoung:

Originally posted by cciowa:
whether we were fourth or 40th, jimmy took to many hits . he got rid of the ball which is nice cuz he never took a sack. but he got hit far to many times. our team has been piss poor in pass protection. no matter the qb. in my opinion going back to 2011. jimmy just put a nice big old band aid on our issues for six games in my opinion

That's all fine and dandy saying that but what's the solution?? Aside from Quenton Nelson who isn't a fit and won't be available and Isaiah Wynn (doubtful we take a guard in round 1) what moves can be made to improve the guys we have??

Hope that Garnett pans out, draft whatever guards they see as a fit, hope that guys build better chemistry and grasp of the playbook. If all that fails, possibly acquire another when teams make cuts, or even a trade. Everything will be fine.

Originally posted by SteveYoung:
That's all fine and dandy saying that but what's the solution?? Aside from Quenton Nelson who isn't a fit and won't be available and Isaiah Wynn (doubtful we take a guard in round 1) what moves can be made to improve the guys we have??

i do not know much about scheme . i look for guys who can block and do the basics for the run game and pass game. you can not tell me there are not two guys in the draft,. on day two or day three that will provide a infusion of youth and talent into the o line. i get you think we will not draft a guard on day one.i respect that and given our massive hole for a pass rusher and maybe inside linebacker. i tend to agree.. i would not rule out the team tweaking the line with another vet after june first

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
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The weird thing is if you type in his name on google, you get a s-ton of 49er jerseys with his name on em... I had to gut check myself, so I typed in Erik Pears Sucks and got the hate thread sooo I knew I had the right guy.

Originally posted by cciowa:

i do not know much about scheme . i look for guys who can block and do the basics for the run game and pass game. you can not tell me there are not two guys in the draft,. on day two or day three that will provide a infusion of youth and talent into the o line. i get you think we will not draft a guard on day one.i respect that and given our massive hole for a pass rusher and maybe inside linebacker. i tend to agree.. i would not rule out the team tweaking the line with another vet after june first

CB is also a huge need as well